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Seeing a pinpoint of light as a cell-like flat circle...?

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nienta@gmail.com - 03 Nov 2005 14:30 GMT
Hiya,

Just thought I'd try to describe this and see if anyones knows what it
is (if anything)... I don't know any technical terms, but I'll try my
best to get what I mean across clearly.

It happens when I take off my glasses at night and look at a pinpoint
of light- like on the TV when its on standby, or on a laptop charger...
Or a christmas light, I suppose. With one eye, I see what you'd expect-
a blurry light- but with the other I see.. well, I want to call it a
cell, though I don't think that's accurate. Instead of seeing the light
itself, I see a flat circle, the colour of the light itself, except for
some shading and small, black circles. There seems to be two layers to
it; one that doesn't move, and one that can be moved if I squint and
then open my eye again; the dark circles change location and also can
create bright lines where, when squinting, the edges of my eyelids has
been. The outside shape of the circle stays the same on both layers.
All parts of it are sharply in focus- I can't say that of anything else
when I have my glasses off!

Obviously it's not causing me a problem or anything; I'm just curious!
I hope I've explained it decently... It certainly sounds odd to me ;)

Thanks :)
Lindsay
Loren Amelang - 04 Nov 2005 20:18 GMT
>It happens when I take off my glasses at night and look at a pinpoint
>of light- like on the TV when its on standby, or on a laptop charger...
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>All parts of it are sharply in focus- I can't say that of anything else
>when I have my glasses off!

Lindsay,

I'm surprised nobody has responded. I've always assumed everyone with
imperfect focus saw those. I see them in both eyes, but one is bigger
than the other. They really do look most like a biological cell under
a microscope. Mine even squirm around slightly, both the outline and
what look like internal structures. I believe that is due to the
varying thickness of the film of tears over my cornea. Blinking or
squinting sloshes the tears around and exaggerates the apparent
movement for awhile.

I can also see them around specular reflections in full daylight. Like
right now there are raindrops on the leaves outside my window, and
each one is surrounded by the characteristic "cell" when the sun hits
it.

I have a bit of diagonal astigmatism, so each of my "cells" is
stretched in one direction, and the directions cross each other. It is
interesting to observe how the amount and direction of the astigmatism
change slightly from hour to hour and day to day. The shape of the
cells also changes if I stare at the same point while moving my head
around - in some directions near the edges of my eye movement range
the cells shrink almost to a point. And of course nearly closing my
eyelids constricts the cells to horizontal strips.

I think the apparent internal structure of the cells is due to
irregularities in my cornea, and particles and viscous globs in the
tears covering it. The internal design stays basically the same, but
constantly  changes slightly and fluidly. I can even watch layers of
tears flow down across the cells like thin frosting down the side of a
cake.

The same pattern that creates the "cells" is detectable in the blur
around everything I see, even in full daylight - but it is much easier
to ignore when there isn't a dark background for it to spread over.

What I find really interesting is what happens when I view points of
light at night through a window screen (easiest to see if the screen
is halfway between the light and my eyes, and the distance is at least
20 feet). The "cell" patterns overlap into a texture that appears to
hang in space like laser speckle, and if I move my head the pattern
appears to move even faster in the opposite direction. That means I'm
a bit myopic - if your focus is perfect, the pattern doesn't move (and
probably isn't visible anyway).

All this is probably trivial, but I find it odd how little we talk
about the internal experiences and artifacts of seeing.

Loren
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 15 Nov 2005 10:28 GMT
sounds like astigmastim and high order abberations which disort light
as is in my case too
 
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