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Kyle - 22 Oct 2005 01:03 GMT
Hi,

When one is said to have eyestrain. What really goes on
in the eye. Is there more blood to the optic nerve or
retina??

I don't know what is wrong with my right eye. When I
read books or other activities for two hours. My right
eye experiences discomfort while the left nothing. How
come my right eye can suffer eyestrain in so short a
time compared to my left which can't suffer as fast.
Anyone got any idea?? I wonder if my right eye has
smaller artery or blockage or what. Note there is no
inflammation just much faster eyestrain in my right now
which can become a bit painful after a certain time.

To know why. I need to know what goes on physically
in the eye during eyestrain. Pls. share. Thanks.

Kyle
Neil Brooks - 22 Oct 2005 02:32 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>To know why. I need to know what goes on physically
>in the eye during eyestrain. Pls. share. Thanks.

I'm not a doctor, but I know ... too darned much about eyestrain,
unfortunately.

Simplest way I could explain it: the ciliary muscles are responsible
for focusing the lens (accommodation).  

Sustained accommodation is to the ciliary muscles what holding a car
battery at arm's length is to the shoulders and arms: very taxing ...
if your muscles aren't up to it (mostly genetic, I presume).  Is your
right arm stronger than your left (or vice versa)?  It's not unusual,
especially if you /actually/ need glasses and have a differing
refractive error in each eye.

Some vision therapists believe that accommodative amplitudes (the
ability to shift your focus) can be increased through their methods.
Perhaps.

You can search (Google, etc.) using keywords like:
    - accommodative fatigue
    - accommodative stress
    - accommodative infacility
    - ill-sustained accommodation
    - accommodative spasm

I'd get a good cycloplegic (eyes dilated) eye exam.

Best of luck ... and don't forget good visual hygiene:

http://www.pavevision.org/stressreduction.htm

http://www.healthy.net/oep/HYGIENE.HTM
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William Stacy - 22 Oct 2005 02:48 GMT
> Hi,
>
> When one is said to have eyestrain. What really goes on
> in the eye. Is there more blood to the optic nerve or
> retina??

No.  There could be an increase in blood flow to the various eye
muscles, but neither the optic nerve nor the retina have any pain
neurons in them at all.

> I don't know what is wrong with my right eye. When I
> read books or other activities for two hours. My right
> eye experiences discomfort while the left nothing. How
> come my right eye can suffer eyestrain in so short a
> time compared to my left which can't suffer as fast.
> Anyone got any idea??

One or more of the eye muscles in the right eye are "doing all the
work". I'm guessing it's your better eye?

 I wonder if my right eye has
> smaller artery or blockage or what. Note there is no
> inflammation just much faster eyestrain in my right now
> which can become a bit painful after a certain time.

A blockage of an artery would not cause pain in that eye.  There could
be inflammation of a minute amount that you could feel. These are tiny,
tiny muscles we're talking about.

> To know why. I need to know what goes on physically
> in the eye during eyestrain. Pls. share. Thanks.

If it goes away when you stop reading, then stop reading when it starts
to bother you.  Better yet, get a good eye exam and be sure to mention
this symptom.  No doubt it can be helped, possibly eliminated, with the
right glasses.

w.stacy, o.d.
Mike Tyner - 22 Oct 2005 03:00 GMT
> When one is said to have eyestrain. What really goes on
> in the eye. Is there more blood to the optic nerve or
> retina??

Lots of things cause eyestrain, just as lots of things cause headaches.

Most eyestrain when reading comes from your focusing muscles, maybe because
nature gave you one eye that focuses differently from another. In this case,
wearing a lens that "evens out" your eyes can make you more comfortable.

Some eyestrain comes from the extraocular muscles, the ones that move your
eyes and keep them seeing single.

Sometimes it's a combination of those two systems.

Sometimes it's a medical problem that reduces vision in one eye and results
in "eyestrain."

We could quiz you all day on symptoms but it won't be as good as a real eye
exam. Once you can post your refraction, we'll have all sorts of
suggestions.

> Anyone got any idea?? I wonder if my right eye has
> smaller artery or blockage or what.

That doesn't usually hurt like "eyestrain," but it does cause blur in one
eye. That's why your best option is to visit an eye doctor. In less than an
hour you'll have far better answers.

-MT
Kyle - 22 Oct 2005 06:58 GMT
Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
pathology. He has many patients waiting so I couldn't ask him
to lecture me about physiology of the muscles and eye in eyestrain.
Anyway. I have the book "Your Eyes: User Manual" for reference.

My problem is eyestrain. So it is the muscles in the right eye
that is the problem and not the optic nerve (thanks for this
information guys). I have nearsightedness in my left eye -9.0
and right eye -7.0. They are corrected by wearing gas permeable
contacts and the rating confirmed by chart tests. The right eye
has lesser refractive error but the eyestrain can get worse
than the left. I don't have any eyestrain on the left eye. Just the
right. This is only apparent when using them at longer time or
bad lighting.

So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
eye. Put ice? Say. When you close the eyes. Do the muscles still
work? I'm very left brain and think a lot even when lying down
at night with eyes closed. I can feel my right eye being strained
further by much thinking. Could the left brain be activating
the right eye muscles. Is it possible my right eye muscles
is still being strained when I think a lot even when it is closed?

Thanks.

Kyle

> > When one is said to have eyestrain. What really goes on
> > in the eye. Is there more blood to the optic nerve or
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>
> -MT
Neil Brooks - 22 Oct 2005 15:43 GMT
>Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
>He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
>eye. Put ice?

I'd say just the opposite: warmth.

http://snipurl.com/iuj7

>Say. When you close the eyes. Do the muscles still
>work?

IME, yes.  Absolutely.  Ever overwork your leg/arm muscles, then wake
up in the morning with the /real/ pain having set in overnight?

>I'm very left brain and think a lot even when lying down
>at night with eyes closed. I can feel my right eye being strained
>further by much thinking. Could the left brain be activating
>the right eye muscles. Is it possible my right eye muscles
>is still being strained when I think a lot even when it is closed?

You're really getting into gray area here, but I have an opinion on
it: accommodative stress used to be thought of as a psychogenic issue.
I genuinely think they got the cause and effect wrong.  People whose
minds are always going may be avid readers and computer users.  Take
somebody like that who also has subpar vision and ... you get
problems.

Stress exacerbates my eyestrain issues, but ... it exacerbates many
overall conditions that we would define as contributing to overall
'wellness,' no?

How old are you?  If you're a high myope, corrected to 'optical
infinity,' then you try to bring your visual world close-in for
extended periods (reading) with limited accommodative amplitudes ...
you're gonna' have trouble.

I would definitely get a cycloplegic exam from a qualified eye doc
(since pathology has been ruled out, use an OD this time <g>).  There
are likely things that you can do (including, possibly (and
paradoxically), reading glasses) to ameliorate your symptoms.

Good luck!
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Kyle - 22 Oct 2005 23:58 GMT
> >Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
> >He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
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My eyestrain is a threshold effect. For example. I can read
for 4 hours with no problem if the lighting is good and I
rested. But if I already feel fatique in my right eye and
I over read for even a few minutes. I'd get eyestrain afterwards
that last for hours. However. If when starting to feel fatique
I rested. The eyestrain would not continue and I can continue
reading for another 4 hours. So what do you say about this
threshold effect. Ever heard of it.

I have high myope of -9.0 nearsighted in my left eye and
-7.0 nearsighted in my right eye. Even though the left eye
is worse, how come it is the right eye that gets fatique
while my left eye never gets fatique. You mean my offending
right eye has to do more accomodations. Does it makes sense.

For those who constantly suffer eyestrain. I think there
should be something organically and marginally wrong. Look,
my left eye nevers get eyestrain even when continously reading.
While my right eye has less stamina. There are those of you
can read for long hours even under bad light without suffering
eyestrain while some can chronically suffer it. Something
should be wrong with the ciliary muscles.. perhaps lack of
some required nutrients or parts? What do you think? I
wonder if there is a CT scan of the ciliary muscles.

Kyle
Neil Brooks - 23 Oct 2005 00:34 GMT
>My eyestrain is a threshold effect. For example. I can read
>for 4 hours with no problem if the lighting is good and I
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>reading for another 4 hours. So what do you say about this
>threshold effect. Ever heard of it.

That's where the visual hygiene comes in.  Think of the analogy I gave
about exercising other muscles.  They need rest to continue to
perform.

>I have high myope of -9.0 nearsighted in my left eye and
>-7.0 nearsighted in my right eye. Even though the left eye
>is worse, how come it is the right eye that gets fatique
>while my left eye never gets fatique. You mean my offending
>right eye has to do more accomodations. Does it makes sense.

Lots of possibles, including different accommodative amplitudes
(overall capacity to focus from far to near), improper (excess minus)
correction in the right eye ... probably even slight alignment trouble
(-phoria) that manifests under accommodative stress.  

I might be reaching with that last one, but you never know.

>For those who constantly suffer eyestrain. I think there
>should be something organically and marginally wrong. Look,
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>some required nutrients or parts? What do you think? I
>wonder if there is a CT scan of the ciliary muscles.

Ciliary spasm can be caused by

-large refractive errors (which you, technically, have, though it'd be
more common in farsighted people (uh, that's me) as a result of
ciliary hypertonicity

-spontaneously after head traumas

-unknown etiologies/genetic predisposition/??

Very little is really known ... and I wish there was more knowledge
... believe me.

I asked a neuro-ophthalmologist if she would CT or MRI the ciliaries.
She wasn't interested, primarily because it wasn't actionable.

If this is genuinely what you have going on (also called
'pseudomyopia'), a good ophthalmologist ought to be able to elicit it
pretty quickly, then treat it pretty minimally, likely through:

-cycloplegic exam

-verification that your current prescription is correct

-evaluation of accommodative amplitudes, and

-appropriate reading glasses to wear over your contact lenses, if
appropriate.

These are the prophylactic steps.  If you, indeed, have ciliary spasm
that persists or recurs, it would require more aggressive treatment,
but (again, trust me: I know a bit too much about this one) it's
pretty rare, especially (I believe) in nearsighted folks.

As to the nutritional, or other 'fuzzier' approaches: I just found
this site the other day.  Take from it what you will:

http://www.causeof.org/nutrition.htm#Habitual
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Kyle - 23 Oct 2005 03:19 GMT
> >My eyestrain is a threshold effect. For example. I can read
> >for 4 hours with no problem if the lighting is good and I
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I have visited 3 opthalmologists already. My eyes with my
prescribed contacts is 20/20. They even did pupil dilation tests
to see the inside retina, etc. They all said I have no eye
pathology. I know but I need the exact cause of my easily
eyestrain right eye which their equipments have not able
to pinpoint. Tomorrow I'll visit another one with larger
laboratory and requests for more specific and high tech
accomodative amplitude scan. What equipments must they have?
Or it simply refractive error tests using lenses and stuff
that normal optometrists can do when determing accomodative
amplitude of the ciliary muscles and lens?

Anyway. Here's my theory of what goes on in my right eye.

Somewhere there is a very narrow artery in my eyeball. When
I read a lot. The increase effort of the ciliary muscles
use more blood. This makes my body pump more blood to my
eyes. The increase level of the blood passes thru the eyeball,
etc. narrow artery which cause pain in my eyes. What do you
think of this?

Flourescene Angiograpy is supposed to see the blood vessels
at the back of my eyes. Are there tests to check the blood
vessels in my eyeball, retina and ciliary muscles?

The left eye just never gets eyestrain no matter how bad
is the lighting and length of reading. Something should
be wrong physically with my right that is subtle but exists.

kyle
Dan Abel - 23 Oct 2005 19:47 GMT
> The left eye just never gets eyestrain no matter how bad
> is the lighting and length of reading. Something should
> be wrong physically with my right that is subtle but exists.

I'm not answering your question, mainly because I have no clue, but if
you just want a cure for your eyestrain while reading, do you think
wearing a patch over the right eye would help?

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Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2005 21:14 GMT
> I'm not answering your question, mainly because I have no clue, but if
> you just want a cure for your eyestrain while reading, do you think
> wearing a patch over the right eye would help?

Good suggestion! Not an ideal cure but it'd be interesting to know what
happens with the patch on either eye.

-MT
doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 23 Oct 2005 22:43 GMT
I think you are looking for a solution for your eyestrain by looking at
the wrong type of specialist.  The symptoms you describe suggest that
you have a breakdown in your accomodative system, and I doubt that any
ophthalmologist will find a physical manifestation of your problem.
Keep in mind that vision consists of a complex system of higher level
processes that can cause eyestrain that has no physical manifestation.

   There is a large body of knowledge that is shared by optometrists
who believe in the "functional model" of the human eye.  In essence,
there are two models of the eye.  The medical model views the eye like
it were a hand or a foot.  If it is broken, you fix it.  The functional
model views the eye as a gateway into a complex system that can break
down anywhere along its path.  The "medical model" is the basis of most
ophthalmology residencies, the "functional model" is taught mainly to
optometrists.
The sub-group of optometrists that specialize in the management of
visual problems like accomodative disorders are called "OEP
Optometrists", which refers to the Optometric Extension Program.   You
can view the OEP website to learn more about accomodative disorders any
eyestrain, and find a referral to an OEP optometrist in your area.
That website is  www.oep.org
Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2005 00:37 GMT
> some required nutrients or parts? What do you think? I
> wonder if there is a CT scan of the ciliary muscles.

MRI can reveal the ciliary but that won't really help eyestrain.

Do you understand that if your contacts are "right" you should see with
equal clarity in both eyes? You make it sound as if your contacts aren't
equally clear.

-MT
Philip D Izaac - 23 Oct 2005 05:37 GMT
> I have high myope of -9.0 nearsighted in my left eye and
> -7.0 nearsighted in my right eye. >
> Kyle

When you are in the reading position, you would normaly look down some
distance away from the optical center of the lens.
Looking down this lens, say 10mm would produce a relative verticle prism of
two diopters. This may be the cause of your eye strain. By the way, the eye
with the higher power, needs to accomodate less then the other eye, but the
difference in your case is insignificant. However when both eyes are used
together, they will accomodate by the same amount.

Roland J Izaac
Kyle - 23 Oct 2005 15:01 GMT
> > I have high myope of -9.0 nearsighted in my left eye and
> > -7.0 nearsighted in my right eye. >
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>
> Roland J Izaac

I see. Say. In a normal reading distance of 1 1/2 foot or so. What
really happens to the ciliary muscles when the reading is done under
poor lighting and good lighting. In the case of poor lighting. What I
can't understand is that since the distance is the same, the
accomodation should be the same. So how can the ciliary muscles be
strained in this manner. Could it be that the processing powers of the
brain and optic nerves get more strained when the book reading is done
under poor lighting??

kyle
Neil Brooks - 23 Oct 2005 17:14 GMT
>I see. Say. In a normal reading distance of 1 1/2 foot or so. What
>really happens to the ciliary muscles when the reading is done under
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>brain and optic nerves get more strained when the book reading is done
>under poor lighting??

Again, I'll hazard a guess (I'm not all that busy at the moment).

The "Near Reflex Triad" is what happens when you look at a near
object.  It involves three things:

    - Accommodation
    - Convergence
    - Pupillary Constriction

These three processes are, IIRC, inexorably linked.  If you inhibit
one, you put the extra load on the others.  Think about dim light
reading.  The eye fights to prevent pupillary constriction, forcing
additional accommodation and convergence.

If you have lower contrast sensitivity, or unequal pupillary reflexes,
or--I imagine--any of a couple of other issues that create a variation
in the Near Reflex Triad, you'd experience this sort of dim light
issue.

Little more "light" reading for you: http://snipurl.com/iw30

So far (and, again, I'm not an eye doc), I have to agree with Bill
Stacy: you may be overthinking this while what you're experiencing may
be relatively simple to address.

MD's likely look for pathology.  I'd still offer that you should see a
good OD.
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Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2005 18:10 GMT
> These three processes are, IIRC, inexorably linked.  If you inhibit
> one, you put the extra load on the others.

IOW you can't inhibit one without reducing the others. Actually I believe
you can dissociate accommodation and convergence to some degree, but it
takes special training and manipulation.

> Think about dim light
> reading.  The eye fights to prevent pupillary constriction, forcing
> additional accommodation and convergence.

The retina can adjust a couple of f-stops in the scotopic range, even
without shifting to low-light rod vision.

Pupil constriction is usually beneficial because it reduces the need for
accommodation.

Most "dim light" problems are focusing problems, brought out by decrease in
depth-of-field.

-MT
William Stacy - 23 Oct 2005 18:24 GMT
>>These three processes are, IIRC, inexorably linked.  If you inhibit
>>one, you put the extra load on the others.
>
> IOW you can't inhibit one without reducing the others. Actually I believe
> you can dissociate accommodation and convergence to some degree, but it
> takes special training and manipulation.

Do you mean you can actually change the AC/A ratio with training?  I
didn't think that was possible.

w.stacy, o.d.
Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2005 19:04 GMT
> Do you mean you can actually change the AC/A ratio with training?  I
> didn't think that was possible.

In practice, I don't think it is. It's been a long time but I recall some
measurable short-term changes were produced with computer anaglyphs.

-MT
Dan Abel - 23 Oct 2005 21:26 GMT
> I see. Say. In a normal reading distance of 1 1/2 foot or so. What
> really happens to the ciliary muscles when the reading is done under
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> brain and optic nerves get more strained when the book reading is done
> under poor lighting??

When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

There are a number of different parts to the eye, and the ability to
focus is controlled not only by accommodation, but by the pupil size.  
It's a simple fact of physics that a small aperture gives a greater
depth of field than a large one.  When you are reading with more light,
your pupil closes down, giving you a larger range of focus.  The light
level has nothing to do with accommodation.

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Philip D Izaac - 25 Oct 2005 08:23 GMT
Sorry, I did not read your post carefully, of course my previous does not
apply to contact lenses. They would only apply when wearing spectacles.

Roland Izaac

> > I have high myope of -9.0 nearsighted in my left eye and
> > -7.0 nearsighted in my right eye. >
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>
> Roland J Izaac
Dr Judy - 23 Oct 2005 17:09 GMT
>> >Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
>> >He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
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>> >right. This is only apparent when using them at longer time or
>> >bad lighting.

Have you had your contact lens fitter check your contacts by looking at them
and checking the fit and the over refraction, not just the distance acuity
with them?  Maybe the right one is coated or scratched which would make it
dry out during reading leading to discomfort and blur.  Or maybe it is not
fitting properly or not the right power.

What patients call "Eye strain" is seldom due to eye muscles, much more
commonly due to eye dryness, lid disorders, poorly fitting contacts,
migraine headache and so on.

Dr Judy

>> >So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
>> >eye. Put ice?
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>
> Kyle
Kyle - 23 Oct 2005 23:30 GMT
> >> >Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
> >> >He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
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>
> Dr Judy

Hi,

It's not just reading. I got eyestrain too when watching TV or
movie more than 2 hours. The eyestrain never happen on the
left eye. Just the right eye.

Guys, I don't put patches on my right eye. Why should it. Sometimes
closing both my eyes increase the right eye eyestrain as long as
I think concretely.

Therefore. If it's not ciliary muscles or pupil contriction. I guess
it may have to do with the fact that the left brain is connected to
my right eyes and somehow it is overactive.

That is. I'm overactive in my left brain and almost minimal right
brain activity (I can't draw nor sing nor write poetry). I guess I
have to balance them to *improve* the right eye eyestrain.

Also I'll  ask for opthalmologist for CT scan in case there is
a narrow blood vessel somewhere in my right eye having congestion
when there is increase demand for more work in the pupil or
ciliary muscles blood sytem. Maybe they can prescribe blood pressure
medicine for the heart to treat my eye? It's been going on for 10
years. I'm mid 30s.

Thanks.

Kyle

> >> >So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
> >> >eye. Put ice?
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> >
> > Kyle
Neil Brooks - 24 Oct 2005 00:47 GMT
>> >> >Thanks guys. Well. I already visited an opthalmologist last week.
>> >> >He said my cup-to-disc ratio is normal and I don't have any eye
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>> >
>> > Kyle

You're overthinking this.  Go see an optometrist.
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William Stacy - 24 Oct 2005 01:42 GMT
Whoa.  You MUST do a trial patching of one eye, then the other, before
you do anything else.  An hour or two will do.  It will either have an
effect or it wont.  Either result will be helpful.

Forget the CT scan, the ophthalmologist, and the nutrition for now.
Save those for when all else fails.

And study up a bit on the anatomy and physiology of the visual system.
Both sides of the brain are connected to both eyes, for starters...

w.stacy, o.d.

> Guys, I don't put patches on my right eye. Why should it. Sometimes
> closing both my eyes increase the right eye eyestrain as long as
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> medicine for the heart to treat my eye? It's been going on for 10
> years. I'm mid 30s.
Kyle - 24 Oct 2005 23:31 GMT
> Whoa.  You MUST do a trial patching of one eye, then the other, before
> you do anything else.  An hour or two will do.  It will either have an
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.

After much asking around from eye doctors. This is what happens.
During eyestrain and reading over bad light. There may be
activities in the ciliary muscles, pupil contriction, etc.
But these are not enough to cause the eyestrain I have. So
what happens is like this. When you are closing your eyes
and think hard. Do you notice that somehow you are tensing
your eyes as if its part of the thinking process. So when
there is little eyestrain caused by the muscles. The brain
can aggravate it by keep focusing on the eyes and further
stressing the muscles. So what one must do it learn to
disassociate between the brain and the eyes especially when
the eyelids are close and vision is not required. Music
can relax eyestrain because you are shifting focus to the
ears and other parts of the brain that disassociate the
visual complex and hence eye muscles.

BTW.. during very bad eyestrain. I notice the blood vessels
in the white of the eye around my cornea is bigger and
redder and I used "Visine" drops to treat it. What I want
to understand is how eyestrain can cause larger blood
vessels in the white of the eye. I forgot to ask this
from them. Anyone know why?

Kyle

> > Guys, I don't put patches on my right eye. Why should it. Sometimes
> > closing both my eyes increase the right eye eyestrain as long as
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > medicine for the heart to treat my eye? It's been going on for 10
> > years. I'm mid 30s.
Dr Judy - 27 Oct 2005 03:05 GMT
> BTW.. during very bad eyestrain. I notice the blood vessels
> in the white of the eye around my cornea is bigger and
> redder and I used "Visine" drops to treat it. What I want
> to understand is how eyestrain can cause larger blood
> vessels in the white of the eye. I forgot to ask this
> from them. Anyone know why?

Problems with your contact lenses will cause both the redness of the eye and
the "strain".  See your contact lens fitter!

Dr Judy
Kyle - 28 Oct 2005 03:05 GMT
> > BTW.. during very bad eyestrain. I notice the blood vessels
> > in the white of the eye around my cornea is bigger and
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>
> Dr Judy

When I went to the ophthalmologist the other day and got my eyes
dilation. He suggests Optical Coherence Tomography. I didn't
bring cash so didn't do it. I should have.

Anyway. When use put drops in my eye to make my pupil large and
paralyze the accomodation in the lens. I can still feel pressure.
So I guess somewhere in the eyeball I must have developed some
pain sensors.

I wonder if there is a DNA tests where they can get the genetic
information of eyes and run it in computer from birth to my age
now and see what possible hereditary mutations could occur.

I solved half of my eyestrain problem too.

When we are seeing far. Our ciliary muscles are being relaxed.
When reading. It contracts and effort is exerted. When I see
afar, my eye pain is minimized. Now when one is going to sleep
with eyes close. Does the ciliary muscles relax or contract?
I think if you think so hard and use visualization, your
ciliary muscles are not relaxing so I guess this is why I
can still feel tension when i close my eyes at night because
the ciliary muscles is not being relaxed. Do you think this
is possible.

Kyle
William Stacy - 22 Oct 2005 15:46 GMT
> So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
> eye. Put ice? Say. When you close the eyes. Do the muscles still
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> the right eye muscles. Is it possible my right eye muscles
> is still being strained when I think a lot even when it is closed?

Yes and no. The ciliary muscles are yoked so if one eye is focusing up
close the other will too, even when covered.  The extraocular muscles
are not so yoked, and covering one eye does relax its EOMs.  So if you
are certain that prolonged patching of the offending eyes (hours, not
minutes) does not prevent the pain, then you've pretty much narrowed it
down to the ciliary muscles.

For that, the fix is (Otis is going to love this) plus lenses over your
contacts for reading, or if you're wearing your glasses, a weaker pair
for near only.

w.stacy, o.d.
Kyle - 23 Oct 2005 00:02 GMT
> > So anyone got any idea how to relax the muscles in my right
> > eye. Put ice? Say. When you close the eyes. Do the muscles still
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.

Yes. Sometimes closing my eyes at night increases the eyestrain
further. However. At times when I don't think and I used my
right brain (such as the imaginative side). My eyestrain is
gone in the middle of night. If I think a lot. I woke up in
middle of night with strong eyestrain. So I guess I have to
learn to shift the energy in my brain from left to right brain.
Or disassociate the connection between my right eye and left
brain neural default.

Also I wonder if something is organically wrong with my ciliary
muscles in my right eye that can tire easily. Is there a CT scan
of the eye to image the ciliary muscles at microscopic resolution?

Also the eyeball has pain muscles. So it is possible the eyeball
itself can add to the eyestrain in addition to the ciliary muscles?
Note if you press your eyeball. It becomes painful. Therefore it
has pain receptors unlike the optic nerve, right.

Kyle
Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2005 00:51 GMT
> Yes. Sometimes closing my eyes at night increases the eyestrain
> further.

That doesnt' sound like eyestrain. It sounds more like dry eye.

> However. At times when I don't think and I used my
> right brain (such as the imaginative side). My eyestrain is
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> Or disassociate the connection between my right eye and left
> brain neural default.

I'm hearing Twilight Zone music.

> Also I wonder if something is organically wrong with my ciliary
> muscles in my right eye that can tire easily. Is there a CT scan
> of the eye to image the ciliary muscles at microscopic resolution?

It's almost never the muscle. If you don't focus as well on one side, it's
usually something to do with your prescription. Rarely it's a problem with
the nerve that stimulates the ciliary.  But that's all irrelevant until we
know for sure that your contacts aren't out of balance.

When you hear hoofbeats, it's usually horses. Occasionally it's zebras, but
it's almost never satyrs.

-MT

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