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Larry - 16 Oct 2005 23:44 GMT
I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the color
fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)

I don't know what my glasses have been made out of in the past, but if they
got really dusty, I could just clean them off with my fingers. Okay, they
didn't get particularly clean, but they were usable and much better than
dusty.

If I try that with my new glasses they get a milky film that is worse than
the dust.  In fact, they develop a milky film within a day of cleaning,
whether I touch them or not.  My old glasses never did that.  My old glasses
I cleaned maybe once a week; these I clean daily, and probably should clean
more than that.

Is it something about the glasses (antiglare and scratch resistance
coatings) or am I imagining the difference?
Mark A - 17 Oct 2005 01:01 GMT
>I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the
>color fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)
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> Is it something about the glasses (antiglare and scratch resistance
> coatings) or am I imagining the difference?
Anti-Reflective coatings are generally fragile and difficult to keep clean
compared to uncoated lenses. The cheaper coatings will not last long. The
expensive name brand coatings are worth the extra money (Crizal, and others
from major manufacturers). If you get you lens coated at a chain store like
Lenscrafters, you are screwed.
Wooly - 17 Oct 2005 01:02 GMT
>I don't know what my glasses have been made out of in the past, but if they
>got really dusty, I could just clean them off with my fingers. If I try that with my new
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>I cleaned maybe once a week; these I clean daily, and probably should clean
>more than that.

1.  Your fingers are naturally oily.  If you eat and don't wash your
hands afterwards, if you pick your zits and don't wash up afterwards,
if you scratch your headlice and don't wash up afterwards you add more
oil to your fingers.  If you eat a meal at a diner with an open
kitchen and a busy grill the aerosolized grease will deposit on your
lenses.  If you cook at home with oil the aerosolized grease will
deposit on your lenses.

2.  The oil attracts floaters such as dust and dead skin cells, which
degrade viewing through the lenses.

1 combined with 2 make for grubby glasses.  Buy a small square of
microfiber, carry it in a small cloth sack in your pocket.  Use
handwashing liquid at the public lav, use dishwashing liquid at home,
use a bar of soap in the shower if you're pressed for time.

I don't do any of the things listed in #1 except an occasional meal
out and my own cooking.  I clean my glasses at least twice a day,
usually when I'm brushing my teeth in the morning and when I'm washing
up after dinner in the evening.  I can't imagine actively trying to go
more than a day without cleaning my glasses.

Bottom line, get your lenses grease-free and they stay clean longer.

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Dick Adams - 17 Oct 2005 19:52 GMT
A wise optician (of a vanishing breed, I fear) once told me this:

Clean lens surfaces repel water.  If you get them clean by using
soapy fingers to clean them under a running tap, and rinse them
thoroughly, most of the droplets left on the water can be shaken
off, or dabbed away with tissue.

Recently I got a pair of Walgreen's readers that seemed to stay
wet after cleaning.  Well, after four or five cleanings, they were
fine, and shed water like clean eyeglasses should.

Another word of wisdom from the wise optician was "Never,
never, never clean your eyeglasses dry!"

Most people get new frames with new lenses.  That is useful
because guky residues of eyelid defoliate and ugly blinked-out
detritus come to rest in the nose pad supports, and at the
margins of the lenses, under the frames.  Those places are
hard to clean, probably mostly impossible.

Recently ultrasonic cleaners big enough for eyeglasses* have
gotten quite cheap, being now manufactured in China.  Those
will clean lenses and frames, including the inaccessible regions
where guk accumulates, at the same time.  Keeping them
clean with impede corrosion of metal components.

Don't mention to your eye guy that I told you that.  But take
him back your clean lovely old frames when it comes time to
get new lenses.

--
Dicky

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* For instance:  http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3305
Mike Tyner - 18 Oct 2005 03:03 GMT
>will clean lenses and frames, including the inaccessible regions
>where guk accumulates, at the same time.  Keeping them

An old toothbrush is great for that.

-MT
Wooly - 18 Oct 2005 14:53 GMT
>>will clean lenses and frames, including the inaccessible regions
>>where guk accumulates, at the same time.  Keeping them
>
>An old toothbrush is great for that.

If your frames are made piecewise and held together with screws
they're pretty easy to disassemble for cleaning.  My sunglass frames
are titanium with screw-in straps to hold the lens to the eyebrow.
Every couple of months I take 'em apart, soak everything in warm soapy
water, then rinse thoroughly and air dry prior to reassembling.

I wish my regular spectacles were as easy!  The one time I tried to
take them apart I broke a strap - cost me $40 for a replacement and I
had to wait nearly a month for it to come from the manufacturer in
Switzerland.  I now take my regular spectacles back to the optician
for cleaning.

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Larry - 25 Oct 2005 15:08 GMT
Recently ultrasonic cleaners big enough for eyeglasses* have
gotten quite cheap, being now manufactured in China.  Those
will clean lenses and frames, including the inaccessible regions
where guk accumulates, at the same time.  Keeping them
clean with impede corrosion of metal components.

____________
Harbor freight happened to have them on sale...
It redistributes the smudges; it is actually worse than before I clean them.
I just used water; perhaps a cleaning solution would be better?  Couldn't be
worse...
Dick Adams - 25 Oct 2005 18:20 GMT
> Harbor freight happened to have (small ultrasonic cleaners) on sale...
> It redistributes the smudges; it is actually worse than before I clean them.
> I just used water; perhaps a cleaning solution would be better?  Couldn't be
> worse...

Sorry to hear about that.

If you have been sold eyeglasses which cannot be cleaned, you might take
them back to the person who sold them to you, for a refund.  Otherwise
consider action via the better business bureau.

Detergents can be used in an ultrasonic cleaner.  Possible some may be
contraindicated for the eyeglasses you use, which seem to have soluble
coatings.  Otherwise dish detergent can be consider, the hand-friendly
ones to start, but also the dishwasher varieties.

Another possibility is to continue to wash your eyeglasses until whatever
sticky stuff is all washed off.

--
Dicky
Ann - 18 Oct 2005 00:57 GMT
>I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the color
>fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)
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>Is it something about the glasses (antiglare and scratch resistance
>coatings) or am I imagining the difference?

No, you're not imagining it.  I got a pair of glasses with antiglare
coating and found I could never get them clean.  It really drove me to
distraction.  Now, I won't have any coatings put on the glasses.  I
have never found that they do any good anyway and do me far more harm.

Ann
Dr. Leukoma - 25 Oct 2005 16:19 GMT
> >I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the color
> >fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)
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>
> Ann

That's a pity.  I think that a good anti-reflection coating, such as
Crizal Alize, is one of the best features you can purchase.  Then, you
just need to be properly instructed on how to properly clean them.

DrG
Dick Adams - 25 Oct 2005 18:20 GMT
> [ ... ]

> ...  I think that a good anti-reflection coating, such as
> Crizal Alize, is one of the best features you can purchase.

And then there is scratch-resistant coating.  You can have
both, according to my eye guy.  And you pay.  Likely by
installments, if you choose all of the options.  

> Then, you just need to be properly instructed on how to
> properly clean them.

How much do the instructions cost?

What happened to glass?

Why would I want Crizal Alize?  Why could it not be called
by the name of what it is made of?  What might be the disadvantages,
besides cost?

--
Dicky
William Stacy - 25 Oct 2005 18:51 GMT
>what happened to glass?
>  

went the way of dinosaurs.  got too heavy and sank into the ooze.

>Why would I want Crizal Alize?

Better performance.

>  Why could it not be called
>by the name of what it is made of?  What might be the disadvantages,
>besides cost?
>
>  

It could be called that, but that's like calling your wife "flesh and bone".

That could be costly too...

w.stacy, o.d.
Ann - 25 Oct 2005 22:49 GMT
>> >I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the color
>> >fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)
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>Crizal Alize, is one of the best features you can purchase.  Then, you
>just need to be properly instructed on how to properly clean them.

I have never been offered a choice of makes of coatings, the same as
I've never been given a choice of makes of lenses for my
glasses...apart from being asked if I want them made thinner than the
norm.   We just go to the opticians and get what we're given.  That is
no doubt why I didn't take to the progressive glasses I got, because
they had the wrong sort of lenses.

Ann
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Oct 2005 02:35 GMT
> >> >I just got a pair of new polycarb glasses.  (I posted before about the color
> >> >fringes, but haven't decide what to do about that problem...)
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>
> Ann

That's too bad for you, because you would have been better served, and
too bad for me, because it provides a huge disincentive for to offer a
better quality product.

DrG
 
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