Medical Forum / General / Vision / September 2005
Contact troubles
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Dave - 23 Sep 2005 00:07 GMT Hi, I've tried contacts off and on over the past few years and haven't been able to find any that my eyes seem to agree with. When I'm wearing contacts, everything seems to be fine as long as I don't turn my head at all and if I'm in bright light (such as when driving). But the minute I start turning my head and looking around (mainly side-to-side), I start getting some major edge flare and blurring of vision. If I sit still for a little bit, my vision stabilizes fairly well. In addition to the edge flare, my contacts will fog up and sometimes I need to remove and re-insert them to make this go away. I started wearing Acuvue Advance for Astigmatism lenses yesterday and I'm noticing these same problems again. What could be causing these troubles for me? My doctor said how great these lenses are, but I ain't seeing it so far.
LarryDoc - 23 Sep 2005 03:05 GMT > Hi, I've tried contacts off and on over the past few years and haven't > been able to find any that my eyes seem to agree with. When I'm wearing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > again. What could be causing these troubles for me? My doctor said how > great these lenses are, but I ain't seeing it so far. If you have large pupils (more than 7mm in reduced illumination) and/or the lens moves more than 1.5-2 mm when move your eye or blink, the problem is likely the size of the optic zone. Lenses come in different optic zone diameters and for a properly fitted lens and "normal" pupil size, it often doesn't matter. Sometimes, it does. Perhaps this is your situation. Your doctor should be able to figure it out.
LB. O.D.
Wooly - 24 Sep 2005 17:40 GMT >Hi, I've tried contacts off and on over the past few years and haven't >been able to find any that my eyes seem to agree with. I've tried soft lenses off and on for several years now and I'm singularly unimpressed with any of them. I've got steep minus in both eyes, with differing astigmatism corrections. I wore RGPs for many years until I moved to the self-proclaimed Allergy Capital of the World and discovered how many things I'm allergic to.
If soft lenses aren't working for you RGPs may be worth a try.
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doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 24 Sep 2005 20:02 GMT Wooly, you are right on in your comments. Soft contacts are available in a limited number of sizes and optic zone diameters. When n eyecare professional measures your eyes for gas perms, they can compensate for your large pupils or steep corneal curves. Wearing soft contacts for astigmatism vs. RGPs is like comparing an off-the-rack suit versus being fit by a tailor.
LarryDoc - 24 Sep 2005 22:23 GMT > Wooly, you are right on in your comments. Soft contacts are available > in a limited number of sizes and optic zone diameters. When n eyecare > professional measures your eyes for gas perms, they can compensate for > your large pupils or steep corneal curves. Wearing soft contacts for > astigmatism vs. RGPs is like comparing an off-the-rack suit versus > being fit by a tailor. You are wrong. On both comments.
We have the ability to customize soft toric lenses to fit most configurations of cornea curvature and optical corrections. There are quite a few different physical designs available from many manufacturers---just as there are with RGPs.
There are some situations where RGPs will provide better overall optics and others where soft torics are a better choice.
It is actually more difficult to compensate for large pupils with RGP lenses than with soft due to the physical limitation of designing the optic zone diameter relative to the overall lens diameter to keep the OZ centered over the pupil. But a skilled contact lens practitioner can indeed achieve that desired result with either RGP or soft.
--LB, O.D.
doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 25 Sep 2005 04:37 GMT With apologies to Dan Akroyd...Larry, you ignorant slut! ;) To suggest for a moment that toric soft lenses can ever be as optically pure as a rigid lens is like defending the use of snot as a protein-based meat extender. Soft torics exist simply because we Americans are the laziest, most comfort-oriented society in the world. We want the immediate gratification of not feeling our contacts on our eyes, just like we want that diet pill we saw on television make it easy to lose weight without exercising. These "custom" soft lenses are not quite as bad as the mass market vision condoms that are in the chain stores, but to call them "equal or superior" to a rigid lens is a bit much. Your example of rigid lens OZ diameter limitations is dated by about 10 years. These newer highDk lenses have Rockwell hardness ratings that let you run the back surface central curve all the way out to the middle of the front peripherals, allowing us to make thin lenses that avoid flexing by acting like a trussed roof. There are NO limitations to rigid lens design when you have the right lab working for you in designing a product for each individual patient. Soft torics are bedroom slippers, robes or vision condoms...but please don't delude yourself that a 55% water bag of mucoid tears with weights on the bottom is a "superior" vision device. Bleecchh.
LarryDoc - 25 Sep 2005 08:50 GMT > With apologies to Dan Akroyd...Larry, you ignorant slut! ;) To suggest > for a moment that toric soft lenses can ever be as optically pure as a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > yourself that a 55% water bag of mucoid tears with weights on the > bottom is a "superior" vision device. Bleecchh. I really, truly enjoyed your commentary. Especially the "mass market vision condoms". Can I use that?
And you're right on most accounts. I will admit that I personally use RGP lenses and do so because, for my prescription, for my needs, they are optically vastly superior to any soft lens currently available. I also fit probably more RGP lenses than anyone around these parts. So there it is. I'm out of the closet and I'm OK with it.
But you know what? It is technically possible for what I need to be made in a soft, well, at least in a silicone hydrogel lens, not the good old 55% water bags. And it will happen as soon as the manufacturers' CPAs and advertising execs develop an understanding that they can make good bucks with it.
Of course there's a catch: I totally, sadly agree that Americans are sold on the quick and comfortable, and many add cheap to the equation. And our colleagues are too often locked into old technology either because of laziness of financial "commitments" or "considerations", neither a good excuse. The manufacturers only care about one thing, and the mass market quick-and-easy chain stores and mail order resellers are ruining it for everyone. Oh----except the manufacturers.
The reality is that for some people, prescription, cornea curvature, cornea diameter, pupil size and lid tension issues come together in a way that allows soft lenses to do a damn good job of providing an excellent vision experience. And as I said, sometimes equal to or superior to RGPs. Certainly not routinely. Certainly not never. Sometimes what works is a surprise to me. I guess the eye is indeed more than just a box camera ;-)
And you are also correct about the very cool new(er) high DK RGP plastics and the unique things we can do with them. But for some people, no matter how wonderful the material or design it will not be a comfortable experience. Of course the same holds true for soft lenses. How many people out there are just tolerating the end of day discomfort and variable vision in a soft lens that could be improved upon by simply switching to a different plastic or design? I've even switched people to RGP lenses for better comfort, not to mention vision. Yup, it happens that way, too.
There's no doubt that looking through a stable optical surface provides better vision than seeing through a sponge of a lens. I think aspheric and high DK silicone hydrogel lenses change that, a bit, just as high DK controllable flexibility RGP lenses and custom topography assisted lens designs do the same. Very nice. There's a place for both. It would be nice if more contact lens practitioners believed that. It would be nice if we could meet more people's real-life needs with contact lenses so there would be less cutting-and-melting LASIK.
The really important new contact lens technology in RGP, soft and hopefully now hybrid lenses is pretty darn recent stuff coming after decades of little innovation. I think we might finally be getting somewhere.
I'm glad we've had this discussion and I hope it has a message for our colleagues and readers interested in contact lenses.
LB, OD (still waiting for my perfect lens and a little bummed that some of my patients have it better than I. ;-( For now.)
Dr. Leukoma - 25 Sep 2005 15:31 GMT I follow this thread with bemusement. Basically, the patient will vote with his/her pocketbook. If the patient is unhappy with the discomfort of an RGP, they will go to someone who will fit them with a soft toric lens. Then, when they become unhappy with the vision of the soft toric lens, they will go somewhere else for LASIK.
DrG
LarryDoc - 25 Sep 2005 16:49 GMT > I follow this thread with bemusement. Basically, the patient will vote > with his/her pocketbook. If the patient is unhappy with the discomfort > of an RGP, they will go to someone who will fit them with a soft toric > lens. Then, when they become unhappy with the vision of the soft toric > lens, they will go somewhere else for LASIK. ......and when they become unhappy with their LASIK results, they're back to the doc for RGP contacts! The circle will be unbroken, the race around the ring being driven by the almighty dollar. Again.
LB, OD
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Sep 2005 01:55 GMT No. When they become unhappy, only a few are back to the doc for RGP lenses. Most just live with the outcome.
DrG
Wooly - 26 Sep 2005 14:57 GMT >Wooly, you are right on in your comments. Soft contacts are available >in a limited number of sizes and optic zone diameters. When n eyecare >professional measures your eyes for gas perms, they can compensate for >your large pupils or steep corneal curves. Wearing soft contacts for >astigmatism vs. RGPs is like comparing an off-the-rack suit versus >being fit by a tailor. There's a practical maximum diameter for any contact lens no matter the material so no, a hard or RGP lens can't really compensate for abnormal pupil dilation. The hard lenses I wore initially before my eyedoc switched me to RGPs were about half the size of my pinky nail's bed, the RGPs were even smaller. I had no night-time peripherial vision problems.
(Yes, I know that early hard lenses were huge. They were uncomfortable, and unpopular as a result. Ask my mother.)
But yes, my understanding of hard/RGP lens manufacturing methods is that they are custom-fitted to the cornea as well as being "ground" for any astigmatism correction and thus provide better overall vision than soft lenses.
It took me about a week to get past the "oh my god there's glass in BOTH of my eyes" reaction to RGPs and that was 20 years ago. I expect this time around (I'm waiting on a pair now) my break-in period will be longer, for a variety of reasons.
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