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Clarification statement for Howard and Mike

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otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Sep 2005 22:17 GMT
Subject:  Clarification on the "correct" use of the plus
     FOR PREVENTION ONLY.

To:  "Mike Tyner"

To:  "Howard D."

Howard > Otis can you explain Vision Clearing in a CLEAR, concise
    sentence?

Otis> No.  However, you can explain the use of a minus lens in
    several sentences.

1.  It works instantly.

2.  Everyone prefers it.

3.  People get "upset" if there is an attempt to discuss a
    "preventive" method.

4.  Anyone who attempts to "change" this traditional method gets
    "trashed".

5.  If I were deaing with the mass of the population expecting
    these results -- I could change NOTHING about them.  (In that
    sense, I AGREE with the "majority opinion" ODs on
    sci.med.vision.  That is their "reality".)

6.  But I do expect, with time and "learing" that a FEW people can
    "get the idea" of prevention-with-plus.  I can only hope that
    they "wake up" on the threshold and follow Steve Leung OD's
    advice.  That is why prevention is called the "second
    opinion".

___________________

Subject; Representing the fundamental eye as a dynamic system.

Mike> No, he can't.

Mike> Otis believes myopia can be slowed, or even reversed, by
    prolonged use of excess plus to blur distance vision.

Otis> Mike, please to not mis-quote me.  What I suggested, based
    on Francis Young's scientific study was that their is a
    POTENTIAL to AVOID getting into nearsighedness on the
    threshold.

Otis> This DOES NOT MEAN PUTTING A PLUS ON FOR DISTANT VISION!!!

Otis> PROVIDING the distant vision is 20/50, no minus lens would
    be used, i.e., no bi-focal.

Otis> The young person WOULD be instructed in the use of a PLUS
    FOR NEAR.    The plus would be "adjusted" by the person by
    "pushing print", based on the persons HABITUAL READING
    DISTANCE.    The PURPOSE of this "pusing" is to gain maximum
    "clearing" effect of the plus.  The parents and child would
    PERSONALLY monitor that eye chart, and verify vision
    clearing, under THEIR CONTROL.  Some SUPPORTIVE advice could
    be supplied by a "behaviorial" optometrist in this process,
    but 99 percent of the effort, and 99 percent of the control
    would be by the parent.

Otis> LET ME REPEAT!  This plus IS NOT TO BE USED FOR DISTANT
    VISION!

> can't make head nor tail of what you said.  By clearing do you
    simply mean > vision improvement to the point > of being able
    to pass a driver's test?  If so, why not just say the >
    patient was 20/40?

Otis> From the people who have done it, I suggest "vision clearing
    to PASS the 1.8 cm line at 6 meters.  This has been done --
    but it takes strong personal resolve to do it.  Secondly, the
    person is not a "patient", he is an intelligent person who
    UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE IS DOING, AND WHY HE IS DOING IT.

Mike> Otis believes anyone with 20/40 or better doesn't need
    glasses because minus lenses are harmful and the government
    says 20/40 is good enough.

Otis> The FAA says that 20/40 is SAFE TO FLY an airplane in US
    Airspace.    If the person verifies 20/40 (or better) then he
    SHOULD go down to the DMV and PASS the DMV test.

Otis> The purpose of this "step" is to get rid of the minus lens
    (as suggested by Bates).  HOWEVER, there is NO INTENTION that
    the person STAY AT 20/40.

Otis> The INTENTION is that the person have enough PERSONAL
    responsibiity to continue "pushing print", and continue
    clearing his distant vision to 20/30, 20/25, and if possible
    20/20.

Otis> Getting from 20/70 to 20/40 is a CONFIDENCE STEP for the
    individual.  I think he should continue with the "vision
    clearing" work -- but that must be the decision of the person
    doing this work UNDER HIS CONTROL.

Otis> I hope this clears the specific issues raised by Mike.

Best,

Otis

Mike Tyner
Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB - 21 Sep 2005 14:00 GMT
>The FAA says that 20/40 is SAFE TO FLY an airplane in US Airspace.

What kind of airplane Otis? What kind of flight ops? 20/40 is only
allowed for third class med. You can either be a student or a private
pilot who can only fly x/c, local, recreation type of sorties. You can't
have it as a career if you are not 20/20. Even for FAA...
otisbrown@pa.net - 21 Sep 2005 15:46 GMT
Dear John,

Read exactly what I said -- 20/40 is safe to fly.  That means that the
FAA designated examinaer will "clear" the person to fly if
they read the 1.8 cm line at 6 meters.

Provided that this person's retina has the capability of
20/20 (test with a minus lens) then I would suggest
that he "wake up" and begin working with the
plus to "clear" to 20/20.

As you know, Fred Deakins did this because he took
personal responsibility to do it himself.  He then
went back and passed the 20/20 line.

This suggest that two intelligent people come
to exactly opposite conclusions about this issue.

For anyone who knows he is at 20/40, entering
a 4-year college, I suggest that he study
this issue they way that Fred did -- and
make his PERSONAL choice in this on this
issue.

Given this type of "conflict" I understand that none
of this can ever be "prescibed" and so
"optometry" is beyond the pale for that
reason.

Best,

Otis
Mike Tyner - 21 Sep 2005 15:52 GMT
> Read exactly what I said -- 20/40 is safe to fly.  That means that the
> FAA designated examinaer will "clear" the person to fly if
> they read the 1.8 cm line at 6 meters.

So according to the FAA, pilots don't need to see better than 20/40?

> Provided that this person's retina has the capability of
> 20/20 (test with a minus lens) then I would suggest
> that he "wake up" and begin working with the
> plus to "clear" to 20/20.

Wake up! Wake up! Shrink that cartilage!

> As you know, Fred Deakins did this because he took
> personal responsibility to do it himself.  He then
> went back and passed the 20/20 line.

Just so you know, most myopes can't do this.

-MT
Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB - 21 Sep 2005 16:00 GMT
>Dear John,
>
>Read exactly what I said -- 20/40 is safe to fly.  That means that the
>FAA designated examinaer will "clear" the person to fly if
>they read the 1.8 cm line at 6 meters.
>  

SAFE TO FLY is not enough IF IT IS YOUR CAREER. Read what I said; you
can not be a military pilot, an airline pilot or a commercial pilot if
you are 20/40 Otis, you have to have correction. 20/40 is safe to fly
for recreational purposes, prohibited for adverse weather conditions
(visibility and such limitations) I wonder how you'd fly at night with
20/40...

>As you know, Fred Deakins did this because he took
>personal responsibility to do it himself.  He then
>went back and passed the 20/20 line.
>  

I haven't gotten back to Fred on his recent email, I am sure you are
following the conversation, you know that Fred is NOT 20/20 at the moment.

>For anyone who knows he is at 20/40, entering
>a 4-year college, I suggest that he study
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  

Question; it didn't work for me, what is the answer?
Neil Brooks - 21 Sep 2005 16:06 GMT
>SAFE TO FLY is not enough IF IT IS YOUR CAREER. Read what I said; you
>can not be a military pilot, an airline pilot or a commercial pilot if
>you are 20/40 Otis, you have to have correction. 20/40 is safe to fly
>for recreational purposes, prohibited for adverse weather conditions
>(visibility and such limitations) I wonder how you'd fly at night with
>20/40...

I'll pay for the gas if you can get the plane ....
otisbrown@pa.net - 21 Sep 2005 17:21 GMT
Dear John,

John>  Question; it didn't work for me, what is the answer?

Otis>  When you started -- you (apparently) would have passed
all military flight physical requirements.  When you
ended, same thing.  So yes (perhaps) as plus
had no effect.  As has been pointed out,
one "data point" does not make a statistical
study.

Otis>  What I would suggest, then, in the future,
is that the person wait until he gets down to
20/40 -- and think very carefuly about this
"preventive" issue.

Otis>  The truth is that some (with great force)
will "clear" to 20/20 -- and others will not.

Otis>  Should we deny the success of this
"preventive" method to ALL, simply because
SOME are not successfuf?  I think not.

Otis>  The point of "advocacy" for me was
that my sister's kids knew of this option and
choice.  Keith took it seriously -- and did
it "right".  It is indeed an individual
choice.

Otis>  You CAN NOT PRESCRIBE THIS.  It is up
to the person to decide the issue, use the
plus AGRESSIVELY and personally pass
the legal visual requirements THAT APPLY
TO HIM.

Best,

Otis
 
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