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Renu with "moisture lock"

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The Real Bev - 19 Sep 2005 06:35 GMT
I've used almost a whole bottle of the stuff.  When rinsing my lenses with it,
I dump the extra into a plate, which I then flick into the bathtub and let
air-dry.  There is significant buildup in the plate.  When I scrub it off with
a nail brush (it's sort of like soap scum/dried toothpaste and needs
mechanical action to remove) it acts like soap and makes suds.

I would assume that since my lenses are always wet there is no particular
worry about crud building up on the lenses, but I'm a worrier anyway.  There
seems to be no particular reason to use this rather than the Renu No-Rub (I
rub anyway) without moisture lock, and the buildup thing makes me
uncomfortable.  What do you guys think?

Second problem:  when I insert my lenses, I put a drop of the stuff into the
lens before insertion.  Unlike with the old fashioned Renu No-Rub without
moisture lock, my eyes feel like I have grit in them for a while -- say 10
minutes -- after insertion.   When the "grit" is there, running my fingers
over my closed eyelids tickles like something in my eye.  I don't see how
physical grit can get into the system, but what about tiny air bubbles?

What could it be?

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Mike Tyner - 19 Sep 2005 06:52 GMT
> rub anyway) without moisture lock, and the buildup thing makes me
> uncomfortable.  What do you guys think?

Saline leaves a deposit too, when it dries. Of course your residue lathers,
too, but otherwise it'd just be saline.

Methinks you fret too much.

> Second problem:  when I insert my lenses, I put a drop of the stuff into
> the
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> over my closed eyelids tickles like something in my eye.  I don't see how
> physical grit can get into the system, but what about tiny air bubbles?

Absolutely you can get bubbles.

I never recommend that drop in the lens before insertion. I don't expect it
to help anything, and it makes handling more difficult. But when I suggest a
patient quit doing it, they look at me like I'm crazy.

> What could it be?

pH, dissolved nitrogen, or the actual moisture-lock ingredient? Bottom line,
some people don't like the newer ReNu.

-MT
The Real Bev - 20 Sep 2005 07:07 GMT
> > rub anyway) without moisture lock, and the buildup thing makes me
> > uncomfortable.  What do you guys think?
>
> Saline leaves a deposit too, when it dries. Of course your residue lathers,
> too, but otherwise it'd just be saline.

This stuff is really thick and solid...

> Methinks you fret too much.

Probably, but my past history with CLs has convinced me that it's not all
crazy.  I really dread opening up the first vial of new lenses for fear that
they won't fit (like my previous Coopers) and I'll have to take SOMEBODY to
court.

> > Second problem:  when I insert my lenses, I put a drop of the stuff into
> > the
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> to help anything, and it makes handling more difficult. But when I suggest a
> patient quit doing it, they look at me like I'm crazy.

It seems to make them settle in sooner.  My right one takes up to an hour
before it stops fuzzing up.  Just for you, though, I'll stop and see if it
makes any difference.

These lenses:
Sunsoft Toric Multiples Div II, Ocular Sciences Methafilcon
8.5 R:  +3.50 -2.25 x 90
   L:  +5.75 -2.25 x 80

Provide better vision than my previous attempts.  Is it too much to hope for
that I got lucky this time?


> > What could it be?
>
> pH, dissolved nitrogen, or the actual moisture-lock ingredient? Bottom line,
> some people don't like the newer ReNu.

It feels sticky like the stuff you use for RGPs.  I didn't like that either.

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Mike Tyner - 20 Sep 2005 07:27 GMT
> These lenses:
> Sunsoft Toric Multiples Div II, Ocular Sciences Methafilcon
> 8.5 R:  +3.50 -2.25 x 90
>    L:  +5.75 -2.25 x 80

I love Sunsoft, tho I don't use them as often these days.

> Provide better vision than my previous attempts.  Is it too much to hope
> for
> that I got lucky this time?

It's reasonable. I find SSM's consistent and predictable.

-MT
The Real Bev - 21 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT
> > > rub anyway) without moisture lock, and the buildup thing makes me
> > > uncomfortable.  What do you guys think?
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> before it stops fuzzing up.  Just for you, though, I'll stop and see if it
> makes any difference.

The next day I added no drops.  The left lens generally settles right away,
but the right one took two hours.  Today I added drops of saline.  Right lens
settled within minutes and I had no itchy bubbles.  So from now on the
procedure is (1) use up the sticky Renu and buy the other stuff next time and
(2) rinse with saline in the morning and add a drop to each lens.

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doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 19 Sep 2005 22:02 GMT
The new ReNu was invented to help the newest silicone hydrogels stay
cleaner.  The newest lenses like Advance,Oasis, O2Optix and Purevision
tend to hold the lipid component of tears onto the lens, the
moisture-lock breaks away those lipids, once again allowing the water
to enter the lens.    If you wear silicone-based lenses, you need the
new stuff.  If you don't, the old is fine.
William Stacy - 20 Sep 2005 19:02 GMT
The optifree rep was just in my office and disputes this notion, noting
that the new renu uses a small molecule that will penetrate the silicone
lenses easily, thus causing, at least potentially, the same problems as
the old renu (chemical irritation, staining, dryness).

w.stacy, o.d.

>The new ReNu was invented to help the newest silicone hydrogels stay
>cleaner.  The newest lenses like Advance,Oasis, O2Optix and Purevision
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