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Current Progress in vision-clearing from -2.75 diopters

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otisbrown@pa.net - 31 Aug 2005 23:57 GMT
Dear Friends,

There is no doubt about the diversity of opinions about
nearsighedness prevention "out there".  The fact
of the second-opinion should be understood.

Some will work with the "second opinion", and others
will not.

It is essential that the person understand that he
must pass the legal requirements that are imposed
on all of us for driving a car, i.e., reading
1.8 cm letters at 6 meters.

Here is an update from Mike as to his progress.

As always, ejoy our pleasant analytical research
into the dynamic behavior of the eye -- as
a competent system.

Best,

Otis

++++++++++++++++

Dear Mike,

Subject:  Your outstanding success from -2.75 dipoters (20/70)

    Re:  Update

    I am very pleased that you have cleared your distant vision
to better-than 20/40.  That is a major personal accomplishment.

    Your decision to quit "cold turkey" BEFORE you contacted me
was a major step in the right direction.

    Some additional commentary:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mike> I wore my friends +1.5 lens and I looked at my eyechart.    I
     read a little better then before I began using the plus.    I
     am pretty sure that I have cleared atleast 1.5 diopters off
     of of my origional 2.75 and I still have a year until I see
     my O.D.

Otis> I agree that you are correct.  It would be nice if you had
     your own trial-lens kit, but "borrowing" a lens is a good
     check.  My interest is that you always pass the DMV at
     20/40, and continue working towards 20/20.  (Just don't get
     frustrated -- clearing is a very slow process indeed.)

Mike> I am confident that my next prescription will -1 diopter or
     better and that has me excited.  I am very glad that I made
     decision to use the plus.

Otis> Please remember that John M., who PASSES the military flight
     requirement MEASURES at -1 diopter!!!  Thus I suspect that
     the eye-chart measurement you are making is far more
     accurate that the "diopter" measurement.  If you start
     "seeing" in the range of 20/30 to 20/15 vision, then you
     would pass the Military requirement -- in the same manner
     that John passed the requirement.

Otis> Again, I wish you had your own "trial" minus lens to check this.
     Remember, the official (DMV) test is room-illumination.
     Semi-darkness testing yields a profoundly different result.

Mike> I read 20/30 almost all of the time now and the 20/25 quite
     often but 20/20 is still blurry.

Otis> I have received a new "requirement" from Dr.  Judy.  Reading
     1/2 the letters on a line "passes" the line.  The previous
     standard was reading 4 out of 5 letters.

Otis> I have presented you with John M's statement about
     "ghosting".  That is a concern, but I personally would
     prefer to "clear" to 20/20 or 20/15 and "accept" some
     ghosting (slight shadow) if that is part of the "bargin".
Neil Brooks - 01 Sep 2005 00:38 GMT
>Dear Friends,

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RM - 01 Sep 2005 01:41 GMT

Otis "Engineer" is a zealot who advocates his "plus lens" prevention theory
without good reason.  There is no scientific data to prove what he proposes.
He would ask that all myopes (=nearsighted persons) go around wearing plus
reading glasses in hopes that it will eventually reverse their
nearsightedness.  Nevermind that the blurry distance vision that myopes
complain about is made worse by plus lenses!  Nevermind that there is no
proof for what he claims.

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> Dear Friends,
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 01 Sep 2005 02:20 GMT
who cares about this?
go away troll
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Sep 2005 03:33 GMT
Dear Friends,

It is obvious that you don't care about Mikes long-term
vision -- but HE DOES.

I will forward your remarks to him.  If he had any respect
for you it is fact evaporating.

Fortunatly there are true professional optometrists
who support prevention (on the threshold) as
the second opinion --as it should be.

As I have acknowledged, some people see great
value is prevention (entering a four year college)
and are willing to accept objective facts concerning their
natural eye's behavior under that circumstance.

This is the "right" decision and choice for Mike.

There is a massive amount of DIRECT SCIENTIFIC FACTS
demonstrating that (on input versus output) testing that
the refractive state of the eye "follows" it average visual
environment.  Mike is simply using his understanding
of these scientific facts to keep his distant vision clear -- when
his friends (at 20/50) will lose theirs.  A perfectly reasonable
choice.

Perhaps others can learn from his success, and from
the recommentadations of Steve Leung OD

www.chinamyopia.org

who has his own children wearing a plus for preveniton.

In the future I would expect other ODs to be supportive of
this goal.

Best,

Otis
Neil Brooks - 01 Sep 2005 04:11 GMT
>Dear Friends,

http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove/net-loon_index.html
Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB - 01 Sep 2005 05:04 GMT
>Otis> Please remember that John M., who PASSES the military flight
>      requirement MEASURES at -1 diopter!!!  Thus I suspect that
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>      that John passed the requirement.
>  

Read my prescription after cycloplegic exam Otis,

OD -0.75 + 0.25 x40
OS -0.75

Glasses precription both -0.50

Military standard transposition minus cylinder method:

OD -0.50 - 0.25 X 130
OS -0.75

>Mike> I read 20/30 almost all of the time now and the 20/25 quite
>      often but 20/20 is still blurry.
>  

Mike should SUBSCRIBE TO SCI.MED.VISION DEFINITELY. Both eye vision also
doesn't help during exam, each eye is tested seperately, that is what it
counts, I highly doubt that Mike can see 20/30 clearly each eye.

>Otis> I have received a new "requirement" from Dr.  Judy.  Reading
>      1/2 the letters on a line "passes" the line.  The previous
>      standard was reading 4 out of 5 letters.
>  

Reading snellen does not mean a lot and doesn't bring out the real
underlying refraction problem. I can still read 20/20 both eyes, does
that mean anything? I am still -.75!

>Otis> I have presented you with John M's statement about
>      "ghosting".  That is a concern, but I personally would
>      prefer to "clear" to 20/20 or 20/15 and "accept" some
>      ghosting (slight shadow) if that is part of the "bargin".
>  

Mike, just pay attention to that "+0.25" cylinder I have which I didn't
HAVE before I used plus for 8 months. I don't have anything else to say.
Plus cylinder helps me with the cyclo part of the military exam since it
brings down the minus HOWEVER it doesn't help one bit reading the chart!
It is still my worse eye. It is my understanding that Mike is obsessed
with the plus like I was, he should talk to his OD instead of waiting
another year. Next year it might be too late for him since he is still
growing up. Plus lenses are harming him, he doesn't even know that.
 
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