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Medical Forum / General / Vision / September 2005

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The "Net-Loon Index"

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Neil Brooks - 30 Aug 2005 19:59 GMT
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove/net-loon_index.html

Funny site.  

Anybody want to take a gander at scoring _our_ resident loon?
Quick - 30 Aug 2005 20:45 GMT
> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove/net-loon_index.html
>
> Funny site.
>
> Anybody want to take a gander at scoring _our_ resident
> loon?

Amazing... this is a spoof right? You put that together
specifically taylored for _our_ resident loon, right? He's
off the chart. -:)

-Quick
Neil Brooks - 30 Aug 2005 21:02 GMT
>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove/net-loon_index.html
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>specifically taylored for _our_ resident loon, right? He's
>off the chart. -:)

I promise I had nothing to do with its creation, but you're right:
fits like a glove!

It came across on a bicycling newsgroup this morning :-)
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 04:59 GMT
Wow-- these describe Otis to the max!  Here's some particularly
pertinent ones!

3) Commonly forces their hypothesis into discussion threads that are
discussing other topics. (+ 40 points).

7) Makes a statement that is widely agreed on to be false. (+10 points
per statement)*

8) When asked, they subsequently cannot (or will not) provide a
published reference that backs up their statement in #6 or #7. (+ 40
points).*

14) Shows (or admits) no/little knowledge of other people's previous
work on the subject. (+ 40 points).

15) Prefaces (or ends) their statement with a comment about how
misguided/shortsighted/brainwashed/delusional the professional
scientific community is. (+ 40 points).

16) Consistently uses quotes from only one book/paper/article/TV-show
as the sole external support for their theory. (+ 20 points).

17) Is not aware of the widely published evidence that contradicts
his/her hypothesis. (+ 10 points).

18) Repetitively "forgets" (or ignores) factual information, provided
by others in earlier discussion thread(s), that disproves (or is strong
evidence against) their hypothesis. (+ 30 points).*

22) Claims that the professional science community is trying to silence
him/her because the professional science community is trying to cover
up the "truth". (+40 points).*
Rich - 31 Aug 2005 18:10 GMT
Although I agree with most of the Net-Loon Index--and some posters fit
the profile perfectly--no names please  :-)   I disagree with numbers
7, 8 and 22.

The fact that a claim may be widely viewed as false in no invalidates
the claim. There are *many* examples in science of a hypothesis that
was at first widely viewed as false, but later proved to be true.

  If someone proposes a truly *original*  hypothesis, how can you ask
him to provide a published reference that backs it up?

Although claims that the scientific community is trying to silence
him/her are nonsense in probably 99% of cases, it definitely does
occur. If you don't think so, read about how the scientific community
went after astrophysicist Louis Frank for his hypothesis on
water-bearing comets.

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/wp.html

Of course, the vast majority of fringe science is nonsense, but the
following sites make the argument that excessive scepticism can be bad
for science:

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/wbelief1.html

http://www.alternativescience.com

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/

.
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Sep 2005 03:52 GMT
Dear Friends,

Certainly the concept that the natural eye is a sophisticated system,
and controls its refractive state -- to its average-visual environment
-- is
difficult to "accept".

For those who can not "accept" it -- then I regret that.

But that is what DIRECT experimental data tells us about
the behavior of a population of natural eyes, when
correctly tested on an "input" versus "output" basis.

This analytical process is at the core of fundamental
science.

But enjoy these analytical conversations.  Some additional
commentary:

    "The important thing is to not stop questioning.  Curiosity
has its own reason for existing".

        Albert Einstein

    "Two things are infinite:  the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe."

            Albert Einstein

    It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of
yesterday, is the hope of today, and the reality of tomorrow.

                       Robert H. Goddard
Neil Brooks - 01 Sep 2005 16:02 GMT
>Although I agree with most of the Net-Loon Index--and some posters fit
>the profile perfectly--no names please  :-)   I disagree with numbers
>7, 8 and 22.
>
> The fact that a claim may be widely viewed as false in no invalidates
>the claim.

An important corollary to that concept, though is: continually
asserting a claim that has no established basis in fact in no way
increases the validity of that claim ;-)
 
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