Not strictly medical, but I noticed this group had posts about
spectacles/lenses.
Briefly - I have uniform starburst scratches on both lenses of my
glasses. The optician says they are scuff marks, I'm not convinced.
Just wondering if anyone knows if they could be caused by manufacturing
faults etc.
Detail:
I have some glasses about 2 years old with what I can best describe as
starburst scratches in the centre of BOTH lenses - to the point that
they need replacing. Each 'startburst' is approx 1cm across and has
numerous dots in the middle surrounded by straightish scratches/lines
for 360 degrees that form something like a startburst, spokes on a
wheel or petals on a flower, see:
http://www.ebun.org.uk/lens.html (The full circle cannot be seen owing
to the way the light falls)
They stop abruptly and form something like a circle.
The lenses are plastic, with anti glare coatings (and possibly others),
they are high index(?) as I'm quite short sighted and a good make from
what I always consider a good opticians. They were the most expensive
lenses I could have had. They have been cleaned every day following the
opticians advice, quick rinse under the tap, spray of lens cleaner and
a wipe from one side to the other with a cloth they supplied. I then
give each lens a light rub with the cloth to dry them.
The opticians say they are scuff marks or scratches that I have caused.
I've never placed them lens down, but I can imagine they will have been
scratched lightly from time to time as I wear them all the time and
play with my kids etc.
I feel that as the scratches are the same on each lens and quite
uniform and circular that they aren't 'natural' scratches (like the
other scratches on the picture above), could it be the coating breaking
up? Stress in the lens? Or something else?
Any thoughts welcome.
Thanks,
Miles.
Wooly - 17 Aug 2005 02:44 GMT
Sounds like the result of repeated cleaning with inappropriate
materials and/or failing to wash off grit prior to polishing.
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Tom Yu - 17 Aug 2005 04:15 GMT
My understanding is that the sort of defect which manifests as the
finely spaced parallel lines in that picture tends to be crazing of AR
coatings due to thermal stress or mechanical strain. I think this can
happen during the edging process, or possibly due to washing with
excessively hot water. I have seen the "circle" pattern of fine
scratches on some lenses, and heave heard that it may be due to
incorrect vacuum chuck pressure during edging. (Perhaps the chuck has
a circular opening to attach to the lens?)
The more widely spaced lines might be due to abrasion from grit,
possibly during wiping.
I'm not an optician; these are just vaguely informed guesses on my
part.
---Tom
Sibirer - 17 Aug 2005 08:11 GMT
From your picture posted on the web site, it looks like the glasses were
stomped! The spots are from whatever hard debris was on the surface that the
lens was smashed into. The miscellaneous slightly curved scratches are from
your cleaning them with the impossible to get rid of debris either on the
lens or the cloth,( normal wear and tear for a two year old pair of lenses.)
The two big fan shaped relections are internal fractures in the lens itself.
The dots and the radial reflections are most likely from the same incident.
The glasses were face down on possibly a sidewalk or some similarily gritty
area. They were then stepped on or had some object weighing about what an
average human does land on it.
I would attribute the issue to stress in the lenses by external factors; yes
the coating is broken. I would suspect a little one had something to do with
it if you hadn't dropped them and stepped on them trying to pick them up, or
dropped a box on them. (I have two kids of my own, so I know how mysterious
unexplained things appear or disappear.)
A coating failure would look like a dry lakebed with roughly square cracks
that start from the edges of the lens and work inward. Failures starting in
the center are usually due to external consumer end factors. I have,
however, seen AR coatings torn by the edging blocks and adhesive when too
much chuck pressure was applied. It would look very similar; except I
wouldn't expect to see the severe pits on the front side unless someone had
just cut a glass lens on the same machine prior to your lenses. Either would
have been MORE than evident at dispensing.
Carl
> Not strictly medical, but I noticed this group had posts about
> spectacles/lenses.
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>
> Miles.
Miles - 17 Aug 2005 10:08 GMT
Many thanks for the replies.
The theory of thermal stress or mechanical strain is along the lines I
was thinking, simply because of the uniform circular nature of the
starches that is the same on both lenses.
I don't use inappropriate cleaning materials and always wash off grit
with cold water prior to polishing. The glasses have never been face
down or stomped. I wear them all waking hours and the kids don't have
access to them. I take such care because exactly the same form of
scratches formed on my previous lenses in the same frames.
Cheers,
Miles.