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was Biomedics Toric redesigned?

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Tomlev - 25 Jun 2005 13:06 GMT
As far as I understand, Biomedics Toric exists in the market for about
4 years.

Recently, Ocular Sciences was purchased by Coopervision, and (thus?)
its Biomedics55 lens have had some changes in the design, edge in
addition to the fact that it became an aspheric lens.

My question is: have the Biomedics Toric gone through the some
changes, like edge design, (or something else)...?  (or the biomedics
toric is the same lens as it was 4 years ago when it was launched)

regards, TOM.
doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 25 Jun 2005 13:56 GMT
The Biomedics Toric, as it is now and has been for 4 years, is a
knockoff of the B&L 66 toric.  (Different plastic, different
parameters, but same design)  It is now subject to litigation, so
Coopervision has "inherited" the lawsuit when it bought the company.
So, we get to guess whether the "pwers that be" at Cooper will sit on
the current lens to help deny B&L's claims, or whether they'll bury it.
Mike Tyner - 25 Jun 2005 15:33 GMT
> My question is: have the Biomedics Toric gone through the some
> changes, like edge design, (or something else)...?  (or the biomedics
> toric is the same lens as it was 4 years ago when it was launched)

Normally lens companies don't deviate from the designs they file with the
FDA, because any design change means re-approval. When they do change the
design, it's an "improvement" (read "investment") so they usually promote it
vigorously. We haven't heard anything about changes in the BM toric.

But the Biomedics brand did change hands, and that might mean it's now
produced in a different facility, with retooled equipment, maybe.

The new parent, Cooper, has several successful torics and I get the feeling
that the BM toric has become a redheaded orphan stepchild. It's a shame
because IMO the BM toric has been exceptionally stable and predictable.

Cooper is welcome to change my mind by filling out my fitting set. It looks
like a country graveyard, a few headstones poking up here and there.

-MT
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Jun 2005 01:20 GMT
> > My question is: have the Biomedics Toric gone through the some
> > changes, like edge design, (or something else)...?  (or the biomedics
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> -MT

If I had thought it sufficiently important, I would have asked my
Cooper representative when I saw her at the AOA convention today.  She
was formerly with Biomedics.  She is a great rep who calls on my office
frequently, and my trial set is never full of holes.  She has never
said anything about a redesign.  Since I use the B&L66 toric and the
Biomedics toric in equal numbers, I have never thought that they even
remotely resembled each other in design.  This entire thread is rather
"odd" and without much substance, IMO.

DrG
Mike Tyner - 26 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT
> was formerly with Biomedics.  She is a great rep who calls on my office
> frequently, and my trial set is never full of holes.  She has never
> said anything about a redesign.  Since I use the B&L66 toric and the

Cooper has reps?  :)

-MT
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT
At least for the time being.

DrG
The Real Bev - 27 Jun 2005 20:45 GMT
> At least for the time being.

If I email you a copy of my letter to the president of Cooper (no
acknowledgment received) which includes a copy of my email to the Cooper
customer service department (no acknowledgment received), would you be willing
to print it out and pass it on to the Cooper rep next time you see her?  

My optometrist (cog in a wheel) is probably going to fit me with Ocular
Sciences lenses, but I'm really afraid to order them with no guarantee that
bad/strange ones will be replaced...

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William Stacy - 26 Jun 2005 05:50 GMT
 Since I use the B&L66 toric and the
> Biomedics toric in equal numbers, I have never thought that they even
> remotely resembled each other in design.  This entire thread is rather
> "odd" and without much substance, IMO.

I agree, and also use both, and they are not the same.  I'd also not
expect cooper to change anything.  They've already reversed the
discontinuance of the Hydrogenics 60.  When you buy a competitor, you
keep everything that works as is, and you dump everything else.

w.stacy, o.d.
doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 27 Jun 2005 21:12 GMT
I don't like the whole "innovation by lawsuits" mentality that is going
thru this industry, but we have to acknowledge that the behavior of
even the best corporate citizen is different while it is being sued.  I
like the Biomedics much better than the B&L 59, and I never thought of
mentioning them in the same sentence until
B&L filed their lawsuit.

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