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Progress report -- Clearing from -2.75 diopters

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otisbrown@pa.net - 25 Jun 2005 03:42 GMT
This site is about alternative methods of keeping
distant vision clear -- through the school years.

There is a tendancy to over-prescribe a minus lens,
and Mike is aware of this tendancy to prescribe
for "Best Visual Acuity".  This mean that a young
man could have 20/20 -- but if his retina is
capable of 20/10 -- he will get an unnecessary
minus lens (at $300) to "clear" to 20/10.

Maybe this is how Mike wound up with a -1.5 diotper
lens at age 10, and a -2.75 diopter lens at age
14.  There has been a consistent (though muted)
advocacy for true-prevention by STRONG use
of the plus over the last 60 decades.

The objective, scientific data implies that
true-prevention is possible.  The implimation
(as we all agree) is almost impossible -- unless
the person is prepared to make the effort
under his own control -- as Mike is going.

What ever our own opinions, we should all
congratulate Mike on his obvious success.

Or are some people anti-progress?

Prevention with the plus is now the
"second opinion."  Mike has every right
to use this science to his own advantage.

Others think he does not have that right.

++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Otis,

My friend let me look through his -1 diopter glasses. With my left eye
I read 20/25 and with my right eye I read 20/15. I figured this to be a
.5 diopter difference between my eyes. I got excited when -1 cleared me
to 20/15 in my right eye. It made me remember a few months ago when it
brought me to 20/40.

In addition I have increased my plus to +3.25 (the strongest carried in
my area). It is summer vacation and that means no reading for hours on
end. I am throwing all that I have at myopia. An outdoor lifestyle and
a very strong plus. My goal is to achieve a more frequent 20/20 by the
end of summer.

Thanks,

Mike
retinula@hotmail.com - 25 Jun 2005 05:58 GMT
no Otis--

this site is for people with legitimate questions related to their
vision to post them, and for eyecare professionals to converse with one
another.  this site is NOT about discussion of alternate methods of
keeping distance vision clear.  For that discussion, please post at
alt.med.vision.improve or direct people to your own website or e-mail
address.

you are trying to usurp this audience to push your unfounded theories
of vision improvement.  nothing about your theory has anything to do
with science, medicine, or vision (except that they are similar to
outdated theories that have long been disproven).  you are a charlatan
and an unethical snake-oil salesman.

Caution readers-- otisbrown has some kind of person agenda that he
tries to promote.  he is not knowledgable about the scientific facts of
myopia development and he has no clinical experience whatsoever.  IGNOR
HIS REMARKS.

sick.  pathetic old fool.  just look for yourself.
http://www.geocities.com/neil0502/Oda_May_Brown.html
Dr Judy - 26 Jun 2005 17:13 GMT
> no Otis--
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> alt.med.vision.improve or direct people to your own website or e-mail
> address.

Calm down, it is best to ignore Otis.

He posts daily to  the "i-see"  vision improvement group and simply copies
everything over here, whether relevant or not.

Dr Judy

> you are trying to usurp this audience to push your unfounded theories
> of vision improvement.  nothing about your theory has anything to do
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> sick.  pathetic old fool.  just look for yourself.
> http://www.geocities.com/neil0502/Oda_May_Brown.html
John Yasar - 25 Jun 2005 08:05 GMT
>In addition I have increased my plus to +3.25 (the strongest carried in
>my area). It is summer vacation and that means no reading for hours on
>end. I am throwing all that I have at myopia. An outdoor lifestyle and
>a very strong plus. My goal is to achieve a more frequent 20/20 by the
>end of summer.
>  

There is no need to go this strong in plus, he is going to be reading
really really close and convergence effort might give ( actually I bet
it will) him headaches. From my personal experience, I will not
recommend anything higher than +2.00, anyway, they do the same job. If a
stronger plus would have helped, everyone would have used a +5 to clear.
It doesn't really work that way, the stronger the plus, the quicker the
clearing. 20/20 is not really important in my view as having -.50 I can
see 20/20 well, at times 20/15. What is important is Mike's refraction
error, all he has to do is get a mild plus and do close work (only close
work with it) and get proper rest. He is just growing up and noone can
exactly know where his refraction is headed. I don't even know if he is
diagnosed with pseudomyopia.

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RM - 26 Jun 2005 01:58 GMT


> This site is about alternative methods of keeping
> distant vision clear -- through the school years.

That's what you want it to be about.

===========================

***** OTIS WARNING *****

This posting is an automatic reply to any sci.med.vision newsgroup thread
that is receiving comments from a person named "Otis", "Otis Brown",
"otisbrown@pa.net" or "Otis, Engineer".

Otis is not an expert in any field of vision. His medical and eyecare
training is nil. Otis continually misquotes people in his posts. He falsely
claims to be associated with doctors who do not know him. He has given
people incorrect medical advise. Sadly, his behavior suggests he may have
psychological problems that compel him to argue against people just for the
sake of argument.

Otis is what is known in internet newsgroup lingo as a "troll".  Do not
reply to his postings-- it just takes up bandwidth and storage space and it
also just fulfils his sick psychological needs.

No one means to suppress the honest opinions of others. This message is only
meant to forewarn newcomers who might misconstrue Otis as a expert.  Those
of us who have been here for awhile know Otis oh too well!

For anyone who is interested in understanding the true state of
scientific/medical research on myopia prevention, I offer the following
links:
http://annals.edu.sg/pdf200401/V33N1p4.pdf
http://www.revoptom.com/index.asp?ArticleType=SiteSpec&page=osc/apr01/lesson_0401.htm
http://dels.nas.edu/ilar/jour_online/40_2/V40_2NortonAnimalModels.asp
http://www.optometrists.asn.au/gui/files/ceo865276.pdf

If you are interested in Otis' theories of myopia prevention then visit his
favorite websites www.i-see.org and www.chinamyopia.com. You can also post
in the newsgroup alt.med.vision.improve or contact Otis directly by e-mail
at otisbrown@pa.net

Please see the weekly posting "welcome to sci.med.vision", which usually
appears on Mondays, for a guide regarding this newsgroup and for information
on how to filter out Otis' posts so that you may be able to participate in
worthwhile discussions in this forum.

For further information on killfilling (filtering out the posts of a troll
or spammer) see the following link:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
For additional information on handling "trolls" like Otis, refer to this
link:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Jun 2005 04:01 GMT
Otis should quit his pathetic display of hiding behind so-called
"minority opinion OD's."  None of them post here.  Nobody has called
them "sick."   I am sure that more than a few of them would be quite
embarrassed by Otis, which is why they do not associate with him.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 26 Jun 2005 03:48 GMT
Dear Prevention minded friends,

Subject:  Prevention minded optometrists -- using the
"plus" with their children.

Mike is well-aware of the profound opposition to
his "preventive" work with the plus.  He has
obviously "given up" on the "majority opinion",
and realizes that if he wishes to clear his
distant vision (and keep it clear) he must
follow the recommendations of Steve Leung OD,
who can be found at:

www.chinamyopia.org

It is tragic when the "majority opinion" ODs
call the preventive "second-opinion" ODs "sick",
and other un-professional remarks of that nature.

Prevention with the plus is the honest second-opinion.

It is certainly not easy -- but for some -- it
is the right answer.

Best,

Otis

> This site is about alternative methods of keeping
> distant vision clear -- through the school years.
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>
> Mike
 
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