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My cousin is getting myopia at a young age

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CHINESEMALE(age16) - 12 Jun 2005 04:13 GMT
Everyone here knows who I am, I went by youidiota and now I go by
Chinesemale or Asianmale or something of the like.  I have not seen my
little cousin but would guess that he is around the age of seven.  I
have heard that he is squinting a lot.  His mother is asian but she is
20/20.  His father is Jewish and got glasses at the age of seven, his
father also got Lasik at the age of around 35 and now plays computer
games and guitar a lot.

I have heard that in one year he has not grown at all, and that all he
wants to eat are junk foods and sweets.  I have also heard that he is
involved in martial arts.  I do not know if my family will ever let me
make contact with his family ever again because when I used to see him
I would wrestle with him.  My family also thinks I might have a temper
tantrum at a "family gathering".

I have discussed the prospect of "assisting" my cousin to my mother.
My mother promptly uttered, "But [myname], maybe they don't want your
help".  One time she told me to, "shut up".  My mom seems most cruel
when talking about the subject of myopia.  She seems most inconsiderate
of my feelings when talking about myopia, yet whenever we get in an
arguement about it I always win.

For example she stated that I got myopia from computer games, when I
got myopia before I ever got computer games, about 4 years before I got
computer games, actually.  I think I got myopia from reading Garfield
on the bed lying down on my belly, yet she thinks nothing of this.  I
also think I got myopia from having no windows, and that also does not
correlate to her; yet she herself admits that her vision rapidly
deteriorated when reading the bible incessantly.  She is obviously not
thinking logically, and is obviously talking her feelings, not talking
her logic, of which she has none.

My "mother", of which I am disgusted by, when confronted with the
"concept" that she did nothing to prevent my myopia, replied promptly,
"Well, we didn't know about [it]".  Yet she will still not accept that
it is preventable at-the-moment.  That really makes me want to barf
into a "hypocrite-bag".  With the usage of the phrase, "well, we didn't
know about it", she implies that she believes in myopia prevention.
But in the present, when I suggest that my cousin be "assisted", she
abruptly goes, for lack of a better term, "nuts".

Another hypocritical thing my parents did was to be overprotective.
They said that I should have spent more time outdoors, yet they are the
ones who would not let me.  They would scare me with things like aliens
on the TV, the dark, and bad peopel.  Nowadays I scoff at my parents.
We live in a safe area, and I do not think people molest average
looking asian males.  Now I feel cheated, cheated out of good looks
and, cheated out of my vision.

If someone were to make a collage, per se, of the things that my
parents said about myopia, they would conflict.  They, said that I
should go outside, to get some distance vision exercise, yet, they made
it so that I had no windows.  They said that I should go outside, yet,
they were highly overprotective and still to this very day ask where I
went, and say they were worried about me.  Well it is obvious that they
are not worried about my vision or my looks and simply made me so that
I would be a failure in life.  They say that computer games ruined my
eyes, when they are the ones that helped me buy them and they are the
ones that encouraged me to read at the age of four, which is the
original culprit of my development of myopia.

Obviously my parents will not take the blame, and tell me to worry
about something that can be corrected.  Obviously they will not accept
the fact that Lenscrafters lied to them, and that they were wrong, and
they were in the dark their whole lives about vision, and they never
had internet.  Obviously they are not thinking clearly, I on the other
hand am thinking very logically.  If, one day, my cousin, who might be
a migit, has to wear glasses as well, and then he figures out that his
nearsightedness was preventable, and that I, knew how to prevent it; he
would be very angry with me and the entire family.  I believe it is my
responsibility to save his sight.  But maybe he will doing fine, his
father, after all was the one who told me that people's eyesight are
not genetic, but rather based on their activities.  He talked about why
a sailor never wore glasses, as opposed to how a rabbi always wore
glasses, and had myopia, for reading books.  At first I disputed this
to be, for lack of a better explantaion, "absolute crap".  I refused to
accept responsibility for something that Lenscrafters had, outright
lied to me about.  I refused to accept that: either my uncle was right
and the whole world was wrong; as oppsoed to: the whole world was right
and my uncle was wrong.  Now I know better, that my uncle is right.  I
hope my uncle knows enough, to save his own son.  I do not think that
he does.  His statement of the dynamic eye sheds light on this
instance.

They live close by and I think I can figure out they're phone number.
otisbrown@pa.net - 12 Jun 2005 04:37 GMT
Dear Friend,

There is no "ideal" way you can
talk to anyone about prevention.

You see the incredible and
hostile posts by Neil Brooks.

Please remember NOT ALL
OD ARE LIKE HIM.

There are some who are
now putting their OWN
CHILDREN in a plus
at the threhold, i.e.,
zero diopters.

Remember -- I when through
this with Raphaelson
(The Printers' Son) and
my sister's children.

I would go talk to your
cousin and explain the
"either-or" nature of
the PREVENTIVE choice.

I would have them read:

www.chinamyopia.org

and discuss this.

The WORST they can do
is say "prevention is a crock",
I LOVE that minus lens.

And then you are finished.

When your cousin gets
"stair-case" myopia, and
at age 20 is about 8 diopters
myopic -- then you can say
that he had an "honest choice",

Please read the remarks by
M. Brumer -- about the effect
of stair-case myopia on the
eye.  Maybe that
will wake them up -- but
you never know.

They should also read some of
the posts by Neil against
the "second-opinion" and
how violent that opinion is.

Maybe that will wake them
up.  

Good luck!

Otis
Neil Brooks - 12 Jun 2005 04:41 GMT
I'm not an optometrist, Otis.  I've told you that several times
before.

Oops!  That's right.  I forgot: You're not here to listen.  Only to
talk.
A Lieberman - 12 Jun 2005 05:01 GMT
> I'm not an optometrist, Otis.  I've told you that several times
> before.

Otis thinks I am too....  

Must be an optometrist conspiracy going on.

Allen
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jun 2005 02:02 GMT
Dear Asian friend,

I see that the two "jokers"
Neil and Allen have appended
their "thoughts".

WIth your excellent mind -- you
must make a jugement of
them and their motives -- what
ever they might be.

Best,

Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 13 Jun 2005 02:09 GMT
...and  yours, however transparent they are.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jun 2005 13:42 GMT
Dear  "G"

Yet another personal attack and insult.

I don't attack you -- why do you attack me?

Best,

Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 13 Jun 2005 14:05 GMT
I call it as I see it.

Your presence here is an insult to anybody with a modicum of
intelligence and education in the visual science.  Your continual
evasiveness and back-handed insults to serious-minded people are over
the top.

I will henceforth refrain from engaging you in any more of your
senseless diatribes.  This is a scientific forum, and your discussions
do not belong here.  If you have a fight to pick, or a grudge to
settle, take it elsewhere.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 16 Jun 2005 02:22 GMT
Dear "G",

As you wish.

The answer you get -- depends on the question you ask.

While "prevention" is difficult (requires motivation) there
is still optometrists who support it -- like Steve Leung OD.

www.chinamyopia.org

It is also clear that it can not be "prescribed", but
the individual may evaluate the issues (before that
first minus lens) and decide to use the plus
"agressively" and correctly.

Francis Young's study suggests that prevention
under that circumstance is possible.

The primate studies (of the dynamic nature of the young eye)
support the concept.  But it will depend on a
decision and motivation of the person himself
to make the work "effective".

I do not classify this type of "preventive" work
as "medicine" since the result is that the
person keeps his own vision clear
(by reading his eye chart -- and trial-lens
kit) and there is then no nearsighedness.

(i.e., a negative refractive state of the natural eye
in my parlance.)

Best,

Otis
RM - 16 Jun 2005 05:01 GMT


> While "prevention" is difficult

There is no proven method of prevention.  Once plus lenses and bifocals
seemed promising, but that was disproven.  Once RGPs seemed promising, but
that was disproven.  More recently, anti-muscarinic drugs seem promising,
but the verdict is still out and in some cases the cure may be worse than
the disease.  One report suggests that excessive minus correction may result
in less myopia progression, so far there's just a single study which shows
this so most practitioners are leery.

Anyone else who tells you otherwise is ignoring the facts!
Dr. Leukoma - 16 Jun 2005 13:55 GMT
Otis should take his side-show to:  
 
alt . self-improve

DrG
CHINESEMALE(age16) - 17 Jun 2005 15:28 GMT
>One report suggests that excessive minus correction may result
>in less myopia progression

Oh, you mean like how the excessive minus correction decreased my focal
length to 4 inches and invoked astigmatismin my right eye?
Mike Tyner - 17 Jun 2005 18:13 GMT
> >One report suggests that excessive minus correction may result
>>in less myopia progression
>
> Oh, you mean like how the excessive minus correction decreased my focal
> length to 4 inches and invoked astigmatismin my right eye?

I see you didn't read the study I posted. It was designed very much like
your suggestion. Some kids wore minus fulltime, others didn't. Who do you
guess got worse faster?

"http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=2667638&query_hl=1
"

At your age, excessive minus correction doesn't decrease your focal length,
nor does it invoke astigmatism.

-MT
retinula@hotmail.com - 16 Jun 2005 13:56 GMT
You stated:

"My "mother", of which I am disgusted by, when confronted with the
"concept" that she did nothing to prevent my myopia, replied promptly,
"Well, we didn't know about [it]".  Yet she will still not accept that
it is preventable at-the-moment."

Please be advised that there is no evidence that myopia is preventable.
If your mother knew that you had myopia there is nothing that anyone
knows of that would prevent it.  Other zealots, whom I'm sure you know
who I'm referring to, state otherwise but they are untrained and
uninformed.   NOTHING has been shown to prevent myopia progression.
CHINESEMALE(age16) - 17 Jun 2005 15:37 GMT
>Please be advised that there is no evidence that myopia is preventable.
>If your mother knew that you had myopia there is nothing that anyone
>knows of that would prevent it.  Other zealots, whom I'm sure you know
>who I'm referring to, state otherwise but they are untrained and
>uninformed.   NOTHING has been shown to prevent myopia progression.

You're being racist, stating that the Hong Kong ethnicity is inferior.
The way you talk suggests that it might be even HEALTHIER to read all
day.  I'm pretty sure that my myopia would not have been jumpstarted if
I had had windows, because I never go outside of my house.

The attitude everyone has nowadays is horrible.  On TV you have kids
complaining that they look bad in glasses, but once in a while there
comes along someone who feels good in glasses, and says to everyone
else, you should feel good, like me.  It's as if they're saying, you
should feel goodlooking, like me, if you don't, then there's something
wrong with you.

It is strange, that in school, we learn about AIDS, ADD, we learn how
to make ice cream, and never once touch upon the subject of eyes, and
organ that EVERYONE HAS, and EVERYONE can relate to.  Can someone
explain the reason of keeping children in the dark to me?  I can infer
that it is racism, another method of oppressing the Chinese and making
the Lasik corporations thrive.  That's Capitalism for you.  Too bad we
don't live in Communism.
Mike Tyner - 17 Jun 2005 18:17 GMT
> the Lasik corporations thrive.  That's Capitalism for you.  Too bad we
> don't live in Communism.

Yes.. people are emigrating to China and North Korea in droves...

-MT
retinula@hotmail.com - 18 Jun 2005 00:25 GMT
You stated "You're being racist, stating that the Hong Kong ethnicity
is inferior.
The way you talk suggests that it might be even HEALTHIER to read all
day. "

Where did I ever say this in my post to you?  Perhaps you are replying
to someone elses remarks.  I only stated to you the facts about
"prevention".
Slow down, and calm down, boy!
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2005 03:05 GMT
My prevention-minded friend,

If you are interested in the alternative judgment about
prevention, I will send you a report that is
too "hot" for this group.

Just contact me by email from my
website:

www.myopiafree.com

If you wish to understand completely how
and why you are now in the situation you
are in -- and who is responsible.

Enjoy,

Otis
 
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