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Medical Forum / General / Vision / June 2005vitreous detachment
This seems the right newsgroup to post this. About three months ago I started seeing lights. At first I thought it was my imagination. It was usually at the corner of my eye and was something would flash in and out before I could see it. So for a while I thought it was my imagination. Then it would occur somewhere in front of my vision. It was like someone would flash a small LED in front of my vision once. But not just one colour. It is predominately purple/bluish. But sometimes is green, red, orange, white, or yellow. So I went to my optometrist. He checked my eyes out and couldn't see anything but said he believes its vitreous detachment. I've been looking that up to find the symptoms but they don't seem to match. Ok now is the weird part and I hope people are open minded for this. I've been doing meditation for a year and started doing spiritual stuff for about 8 months. There are very few references to this in those circles but there are cases of people describing exactly what I'm talking about. It does seems to occur to some people. Now I'm open minded but at the same time I prefer and will explore scientific explanations first. But haven't had much luck. I do have a floater in my left eye so I know what floaters are. This is not that since I can "find" my floater anytime I want and its definitely not coloured. Also these occur anytime. I can be sitting down at my desk, reading a book, talking to someone. Doesn't matter. I have -6.5 in both eyes. I'm 32. Has anyone else had this and/or can point me to sources to look this up? CarlClassenDONTSPAMEhome@rogers.com > This seems the right newsgroup to post this. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > anything but said he believes its vitreous detachment. I've been > looking that up to find the symptoms but they don't seem to match. Other than psychological/neurologic problems, the only thing that comes to mind is "after images". You would only see them briefly after viewing a similar sized, fairly bright object of the complementary color in relatively the same location in your visual field. Definitely NOT symptoms of a vitreous detachment. > Ok now is the weird part and I hope people are open minded for this. > I've been doing meditation for a year and started doing spiritual stuff [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and will explore scientific explanations first. But haven't had much > luck. If you rule out after images, then you have to consider higher brain issues, paranormal, and extra-terrestrial issues, if you care to go there. There are some people on this group that will no doubt feel right at home in any of those areas. > I do have a floater in my left eye so I know what floaters are. This is > not that since I can "find" my floater anytime I want and its > definitely not coloured. Also these occur anytime. I can be sitting > down at my desk, reading a book, talking to someone. Doesn't matter. I > have -6.5 in both eyes. I'm 32. NOT floaters, for sure. w.stacy, o.d. > Other than psychological/neurologic problems, the only thing that comes > to mind is "after images". You would only see them briefly after > viewing a similar sized, fairly bright object of the complementary color > in relatively the same location in your visual field. Definitely NOT > symptoms of a vitreous detachment. They do kind of look like that. For example if i looked at a light bulb and looked away. That would come close to describing what i see. But I'm not doing that unless I'm unconsciously finding those light sources somehow. But the room doesn't have to be lit for me to see them. If i looked at a light bulb the effect lasts for quite a while. This is almost instant. I don't usually have time to see if it follows my eyes or not. It could of course be psychological/neurolgic. As far as i know we don't have a history of that. But its definitely possible! > If you rule out after images, then you have to consider higher brain > issues, paranormal, and extra-terrestrial issues, if you care to go > there. There are some people on this group that will no doubt feel right > at home in any of those areas. Who knows, but thank you for your polite reply :) I'll continue to look for medical reasons for these "lights". But I might just have to face the facts I won't truly know. > NOT floaters, for sure. > > w.stacy, o.d. Definitely not. But I'm not going to worry about it too much unless it becomes significantly more common, or obstructs my vision. Carl carlclassenhomeNOSPAMpleaseFORME@rogers.com > This seems the right newsgroup to post this. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > anything but said he believes its vitreous detachment. I've been > looking that up to find the symptoms but they don't seem to match. snip See an opthamologist or go to an local eye clinic for an examination. There are tests for vitreous detachment, retinal detachment and most everything else. While there are some very good people in this group, nothing beats seeing a good eye doctor and discussing the issues with her/him. George Hello George, Well i saw a doctor and saw my optometrist. But i agree its always better to see a professional. I was just wondering if anyone here has come across these specific symptoms before or had an idea what it could be. Carl While a highly skilled optometrist can dilate your pupils and study your retina, the next level of care is to be referred to a retinologist. An ophthalmologist who specializes in the retina can put dye in your veins that makes the blood vessels in the back of the eye hyperflouress and show him subtle leaks and cracks that come from damage to the macula. You are the right age, gender and refractive error to have a number of retinal problems that might not show up on a "normal" eye exam. For example, a disease called CSR (central serous retinopathy) occurs when a stress hormone called cortisol damages small vessels in the macula, causing fluid to leak between the macula and its blood supply and a central vision loss. It can start as just random, colored lights when the first few cells are being stimulated. I've been an optometrist for 25 years, and the more years I see high myopes with problems, the more I believe that every high myope over 6D should have a regular annual visit with a retina specialist to make sure that there are no "cracks in the wall" that I might miss on a normal thorough exam. > I've been an optometrist for 25 years, and the more years I see high > myopes with problems, the more I believe that every high myope over 6D > should have a regular annual visit with a retina specialist to make > sure that there are no "cracks in the wall" that I might miss on a > normal thorough exam. I believe in dilating the eyes and checking the retinas. If I see something that needs treatment, I send it on. That would seem to be a more efficient use of healthcare dollars then to send every high myope to see the retinal specialist, regardless. DrG I fully understand both viewpoints. The uncomfortable fact is that the ability to find small retinal breaks in the extreme periphery is a variable talent, even among retinologists. My modus is to take a careful look, but if the history makes me suspicious and I don't see anything that corresponds to my suspicion, I'll refer anyway, just to be sure. One thing for sure, since I don't use a scleral depressor and I don't dilate as widely as the retina guys, there are things they can see that I can't. >>I've been an optometrist for 25 years, and the more years I see high >>myopes with problems, the more I believe that every high myope over 6D [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > DrG Well, I think it is only appropriate that you do what you feel comfortable doing. In my case, I have been doing it long enough to have a high index of comfort with my own examination. Most retinal specialists I know don't have a problem looking at anything I refer, but most do not want to have their waiting rooms full of high myopes without pathology. DrG I concur that there is probably some vitreo-retinal traction of the macula involved, particularly since it is central and involves color. You might want to have someone take another look. Is the visual acuity effected, and did you undergo a test using an Amsler grid? DrG |
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