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An optometrists states his support for the concept of prevention with plus
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otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 14:16 GMT Dear Prevention minded friends,
Subject: The prevetive second-opinion on prevention as stated by Steve Leung OD.
Sci.med.vision is devoted to the development of new concepts -- and the free and open discussion of prevetive methods.
The concept that the eye is dynamic, and that the natural eye controls it refractive state to its average visual enviroment is proven on a scientific level. (See Howard Howland's research, as well as primate-eye research.)
Even so, the implementation of the preventive method is difficult -- and requires that a person (or his parents) make a choice between these obviously contradictory methods.
Here is the second-opinion as stated by a highly qualified optometrists -- for your interest and discussion.
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From: Steve I.H. LEUNG Optometrist
Dear Myopic Folk,
Subject: An optometrist's personal experience or MY AWAKENING
I am a practicing optometrist working in the field of optics for more than 16 years. During these years I faced an excessive high rate of children developing nearsightedness (myopia). It is very hard to resist the obvious need to use a minus lens (concave lens) for these children. I deeply appreciate that we all value clear distant vision for life. Achieving this goal would be of great value for all of us.
Everyday, a great many people are developing the vision problems of nearsightedness, farsightedness, aged vision -- as well as crossed and lazy eyes. These people come to my office and require immediate vision correction. They all need glasses.
Among the visual problems, the case of myopia correction bothers me greatly. It is a dilemma and tragedy of using a "correcting" lenses, which in fact these glasses eventually become a crutch for life.
In the early years of practice, I was not aware the long-term bad effect that a minus lens has on the eye. This is because neither the curriculum textbooks nor the professors pointed out the ultimate side effect that a minus lens has on the eye -- during my many years of doing course work in optometry.
After graduation, I practiced the full scope of optometry, from refraction to fundus eye examination, and vision correction by optical means. But once these means are removed, the vision is neither improved nor restored.
The minus lens is merely an aid to vision, i.e., compensation by external means.
In the majority of cases, naked-eye vision gets worse with the traditional minus lens correction.
The children will need stronger power glasses in the following years. It is a matter of treating the symptom -- but does not achieve an effective cure.
I have been mulling over in my mind -- to think about alternative and better methods to manage myopic eyes, because I also am nearsighted.
With my accumulating experience, I am well aware that constant wearing of minus lens glasses are harmful especially the full power ones. However, there is no choice but to use a minus lens if the child cannot see well in his class.
At times, the best that I can do is to emphasize that the use of (minus lens) glasses be restricted to chalk board, and always must be removed after class. This is the first step in goal of avoiding the glasses' side effect.
But being myopic is unfortunate and inconvenient. At times it seems that none of us can escape the use of a minus lenses to restore clear vision.
I have been driven into deep thinking about a way of, "how to restore clear vision from myopic and how to maintain distant vision for life."
As a father and an optometrist, I felt a strong commitment to protect my own child's vision. It was because my child (age 4) in her curiosity asked me, "Dad, why do you always wear glasses? Why are the kids I play with in school wearing glasses?"
Her statement had a serious impact on me, and I woke up to the fact that a child should not be fitted with minus lens glasses -- if there are means to doing so.
Why? The earlier age you begin wearing the minus lens, the faster vision deteriorates. The minus lens can make vision worse all by itself! Many scientists, engineers and health workers have formed this opinion -- that the minus lens is definitely harmful to young kid's long-term vision.
Because I was sensitive to both the requirement to use the minus lens, but also understood the secondary effect (vision deteriorates) I began much broader research into the subject matter. This included the judgment of engineers and scientists (and some ophthalmologists) who "object" to the use of the minus lens.
Fortunately, I met several enthusiastic engineers, physicists and scientists via internet in 2001 by chance. They provided excellent postings in their web sites where I got a deep insight about the development and management of child's acquired myopia -- to include the potential of preventing it in the first place by wise use of a (reading) plus lens. They are Donald Rehm, Otis Brown, James Arthur, Dr. Stirling Colgate and Alex Eulenberg.
In fact, researchers such as Dr. Jacob Raphaelson and Dr. Francis Young had conducted pioneering work to determine the cause, effect, and remedy for myopia acquired in school. As early as 1904, Dr. Jacob Raphaelson had used the plus (convex) lens to effectively cure a child's myopia. Further, Dr. Francis Young has revealed the true cause of acquired myopia with his large number of insightful experiments and scientific publications in the 1960s. All the above mentioned scientists advocate that preventative measures be instituted to help children avoid getting into myopia in the first place.
In view of their spirit and fortitude, I felt that I bore a responsibility as an optometrist if I did nothing to assist in the prevention of myopia.
I regret that I became part of the system (use minus lens) that was put in place long time ago -- and that this system has not changed in any significant detail since its inception.
My goal is to look to the future and begin preventive methods which can be effective for the child who is on the threshold of myopia. Today, I make it clear that my mission and task is to try my best to discuss the alternate opinion on the therapeutic use of the plus lens -- instead of the compensatory use of minus lens. I do everything in my power to explain the long-term effect that the minus lens has on the eye's refractive status, and I encourage parents to review this issue for themselves.
I have supported several hundred children with the plus lens since 2001. The long term effect of the lens is developing, and results will become better as the use becomes more complete. Most of the children retain their current refractive (focal) status and few of them achieved significant vision improvement. Although it is unusual, there have been several cases of complete vision recovery! I also felt that making this commitment is a matter of my personal integrity, and is necessarily part of my work and career.
Steve Leung OD
Steve I.H. LEUNG Optometrist Hong Kong, SAR, China
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 14:26 GMT Subject: Scientific (not medical) PROOF that the natural eye is dynamic -- versus passive, which has been the previous and traditional assumption.
Frank Schaeffel, Adrian Glasser and Howard C. Howland, "Accommodation, Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens", VISION RES., Vol 28, No. 5 pp 639-657, 1988. Pergamon Press.
RESULTS:
All eyes treated with positive lenses became consistently more positive (hyperopic).
Negative lenses produced more negative (myopic) refractions (focal states) in all eyes.
In a test of plus/minus lenses on left/right eyes, the eye with the plus lens moved in a positive direction.
The eye with a minus lens moved in a minus direction.
The control group did not change significantly in any direction.
Note: Subsequent testing of the natural young primate eye shows this same caracteristic signature -- of the "input" minus lens, and the "output" response.
Of course a number of people can think up endess "objections" to scientific proof of this nature.
But the objections do not change scientific proof of this nature.
Further, it is optometrists like Steve Leung who are willing to offer true-prevention based on the above science of the natural eye's behavior.
Best,
Otis
Neil Brooks - 06 Jun 2005 14:47 GMT Still no offer of proof that plus lens therapy halts the progression of myopia in human beings.
STFU, Otis.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jun 2005 15:04 GMT > Further, it is optometrists like Steve Leung who are willing to offer > true-prevention based on the above science of the natural eye's > behavior. I'm sure chickens are rejoicing all over the world.
Now perhaps Dr. Leung will learn the techniques required to demonstrate efficacy.
-MT
RM - 07 Jun 2005 17:23 GMT
> Subject: Scientific (not medical) PROOF that the natural eye is > dynamic -- versus passive, which has been the previous and traditional > assumption. Show us medical evidence-- you know, where it's proven efficacious on HUMAN subjects!! Your differentiation is of scientific vs. medical is ridiculous. We don't fit glasses on chickens. Humans do not respond to plus lens treatment as has been proven to you over and over again.
> Frank Schaeffel, Adrian Glasser and Howard C. Howland, "Accommodation, > Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens", VISION RES., Vol 28, No. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > But the objections do not change scientific proof of this nature. HERE'S SOME OBJECTIONS FOR YA! THESE EXPERIMENT, WHICH ARE INDEED SCIENTIFICALLY VALID FOR CHICKENS, ARE NOT VALID FOR HUMANS! THERE ARE EVEN A COUPLE OF MONKEY STUDIES THAT SUGGEST PLUS LENSES MIGHT HELP, BUT NUMEROUS HUMAN STUDIES PROVED THAT THEY DON'T ON REAL LIFE PEOPLE. AND SINCE WE FIT EYEGLASSES ON REAL-LIFE PEOPLE, AND IT'S BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THAT YOUR APPROACH DOESN'T WORK, THEN GO POST YOUR STUFF IN SOME NEWSGROUP LIKE sci.barnyard.animal.vision.
We have discussed this endless times, and you have been intellectually undressed so many times in this forum by countless people. You must be feeble to continue to argue these ridiculous points. You pathetic old fool!
Now, it's probably about time for you to drudge up the old Raphaelson-Printer's Son story. And I particularly like the accusations of a conspiracy between eyecare providers and lens supplies to make the population dependent on eyeglasses. How about a couple of pilot-engineer stories just for the sake of repetition. And throw in some phrases like "box camera", "dynamic", 'input-output", etc. Don't forget to misquote a bunch of old optometrists who don't even know you and would roll over in their graves and retirement homes if they knew that such a moron as yourself was referring to their work.
Go design a better vacuum cleaner. Go sail off the edge of the earth with your 15th century sextant.
Best, RM PhD, OD (Scientist, Medical Practioner, not an engineer)
Neil Brooks - 06 Jun 2005 14:47 GMT Still no proof offered anywhere.
STFU, Otis.
A Lieberman - 06 Jun 2005 15:05 GMT > Dear Prevention minded friends, Dear Prevention minded friends,
Please disregard Otis's postings. He is not in the medical profession and not in any position to give medical advice.
Thank you!
Allen
Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 15:23 GMT Dear Dr. Leung,
Thank you for your comments. I await your future twin publications in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, one of which will provide evidence that prescribing minus lenses for myopes is harmful, and the second proving efficacy of plus lens treatment.
Like you, I tended to believe those practitioners whose fervor over bifocals and plus lenses far exceeded the evidence that such things were effective in actual practice. Therefore, I wasn't surprised when one of the chief proponents recanted in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Let's continue our free and frank discussion of such matters for the benefit of the public's right to be informed.
DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 15:41 GMT Dear DrG,
>From long review of these issues I concluded that you can not "prescribe" prevention and "medical".
You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most prescribe for "best visual acuity".
As you know there are ODs and MDs who will "underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it).
One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus takes a great deal of personal "force" and conviction to do it "correctly".
Since that type of intellectual and physical commitment must come from "internal" to the person -- if follows that is must be HIS JUDGMENT OF THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS that steers his work on prevention. Truly a job for the most "gifted" in this area -- no insult intended to you or anyone else.
You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great mass of humainity walking in off the street. You can certainly call that "medical" if you wish -- and I have no desire to get involved in THAT situation.
But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply different that dealing with the general public as you do.
So let us continue our pleasant conversations about prevention with the plus -- as well as acknowledging its obvious difficulties.
Best,
Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT > Dear DrG, > >From long review of these issues I concluded that you > can not "prescribe" prevention and "medical". What are you talking about? Nobody can prescribe "prevention," and I most certainly can prescribe "medical." I do it all the time.
> You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most > prescribe for "best visual acuity". Au contraire, Pierre. This proves that you don't understand what you are talking about.
> As you know there are ODs and MDs who will > "underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it). Sure. So what?
> One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus > takes a great deal of personal "force" and > conviction to do it "correctly". I agree that it takes a great deal of force and conviction to engage in an activity that yields meager results if any results at all.
> Since that type of intellectual and physical > commitment must come from "internal" to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > most "gifted" in this area -- no insult > intended to you or anyone else. I call that type of intellectual and physical commitment "stupidity." No insult to you or anybody else.
> You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great > mass of humainity walking in off the street. > You can certainly call that "medical" if you > wish -- and I have no desire to get involved > in THAT situation. No. I call that kind of "proof" science. I like to be able to have something called scientific evidence to support my clinical decisions.
> But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply > different that dealing with the general public > as you do. Of course it isn't. This is further proof that you don't know what you are saying.
> So let us continue our pleasant conversations > about prevention with the plus -- as well > as acknowledging its obvious difficulties. You don't seem very pleasant to me, and prevention with plus is an oxymoron. Now, if you would like to prove your assertion...
DrG
Mike Tyner - 06 Jun 2005 16:36 GMT > But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply > different that dealing with the general public > as you do. Does it require actually making measurements on groups of humans?
Is is "scientific" when it's tested on chickens, and "medical" when testing humans? Is that the difference?
-MT
A Lieberman - 06 Jun 2005 17:56 GMT > You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most > prescribe for "best visual acuity". Otis,
Please provide PROOF of the above statement OUTSIDE your website.
I bet you won't and can't.
'nuf said....
Allen
RM - 07 Jun 2005 17:36 GMT
> You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most > prescribe for "best visual acuity". What a misinformed thing to say. You really prove that you don't know what you are talking about.
Limit your advice to the sextant-- you know something about that and nobody else cares so you won't hurt or misinform anyone.
> As you know there are ODs and MDs who will > "underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it). So what-- it's a decades old concept that's been proven to be ineffective in preventing myopia progression. In fact, one scientific study suggests overcorrection with excessive minus seems to be efficacious.
> One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus > takes a great deal of personal "force" and > conviction to do it "correctly". Sure does. You have to ignor the data that shows that it doesn't work, and you have to hope that a large component of your myopia is accommodative rather than anatomical. Of course you could just get a cycloplegic eye exam and find that out quickly.
> Since that type of intellectual and physical > commitment must come from "internal" to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > most "gifted" in this area -- no insult > intended to you or anyone else. No insult taken. After all, it takes a great "gift" to misinform and mislead someone in the face of scientific evidence that your prevention method works. That makes you a snake-oil salesman and a con-man. No offense intended of course.
> You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great > mass of humainity walking in off the street. > You can certainly call that "medical" if you > wish -- and I have no desire to get involved > in THAT situation. No, you would rather discuss the results of experiment performed on chickens.
> So let us continue our pleasant conversations > about prevention with the plus -- as well > as acknowledging its obvious difficulties. Why do you derive pleasure in being intellectually thrashed time after time in this newsgroup. You gain no converts to your theory here-- you have the reputation of an old fool who is a charlatan.
You have some serious psychological issues.
> Best, > > Otis otisbrown@pa.net - 09 Jun 2005 16:46 GMT Dear RM,
You have a tragically slammed-shut mind, not only against all primate studies that prove the true dynamic behavior of the natural eye, but against ALL OTHER OPTOMETRISTS who are attempting to help the plublic with this preventive method.
Quit you ad-hominim attacks, and respect a person's right to an informed, competent "second opinion" -- as stated by Steve Leung OD:
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Written by Steve H. LEUNG and HAN Bossino, Translated by Steve LEUNG
If you have been wearing glasses for several years and over -3.00 D, you probably have a case of axial-length myopia. It is impossible to shorten the elongated eyeball with the fogging-method (plus lens) to reverse this myopia. However, the lens is significant to prevent further myopic development as well as to reduce some part of your myopia over a period of time.
Acquired myopia appears in school children of 7 to 9 and progresses with age. Almost every myope has gone through the agony of changing minus-lens glasses yearly during the course of elementary and secondary school.
The reason behind this threshold-myopia is that the eye at this young age is still developing. The layers of eyeball coating are relatively fragile compared with adult eye. Minus-lens glasses are given to children on the threshold of nearsighted and they are encouraged to wear them all the time.
Near point stress is significantly increased when the minus lens are worn at near work -- causing rapid vision deterioration, that is then followed by eyeball elongation.
Generally, myopia stabilizes after reaching maturity by age 20.
In order to avoid getting into high myopia (over -6.00 D), myopes should adopt preventative measures (how to prevent nearsightedness) designed to relieve near point stress.
Myopia is a natural (physiological) process that the eye uses to adapt to the excessive near focal environment. It develops because of the way you use your eyes, and is much more prominent in young people.
The simplest way to avoid near focal environment is to give up all reading or any close work. This is impracticable in our modern world requiring literate and educated citizens.
Fogging with plus lens is an alternate method that allows the near focal environment to be moved "into the distance". This process "relaxes" the and removes the stress of prolonged close work. The method is simple, easy and economic. Method should be implemented with incipient Myopes below -3.00 D. These children should take off their (minus-lens) glasses for any near work.
Why? The glasses are provided for use at distance 20 feet and greater. You can figure out how tired the eye becomes if you use the minus-lens glasses at any distance shorter than 20 feet --especially at 1 to 2 feet when doing near work. It is the major reason accounting for your you vision shows rapid vision deterioration when wearing these glasses. This is especially true in young children.
Myopes over -3.00 D should consider two pairs of glasses. One for far and the other for near. The full power one is for emergency or driving. The other one should be reduced by 1 to 2 diopter for comfortable near work. You will not experience too much tiredness and fatigue with the use of the reduced prescription glasses -- after your whole-day work in front of a computer.
It is simpler for contact lens wearers to put on a pair of plus-lens (+1.00 to +2.00 depends on situation) glasses any time you are doing near-work. Such glasses have a magnifying effect and you will see will everything larger. The stress caused by the intensive near-work is greatly reduced by the use of the plus in this manner.
Patience and persistence is a crucial factor in using the plus-lens glasses.
I am a high myope wearing contact lens. I have been using plus lens all the time during my work since 2001. I am a journalist which involves doing a great deal of computer work as a relatively close distance. My prescription has been reduced from -15 D to -14 D in the past two years of doing this prolonged close work.
I sincerely recommend that all myopes who use their eyes a lot for near-work, seriously consider plus lens for prevention.
RM - 10 Jun 2005 01:26 GMT Please provide the references of optometrist who have presented proof in humans that myopia is accelerated by the use of minus lenses, and/or that plus lenses prevents myopia. Not anecdotal reports, but real scientific studies (Hint, there aren't any. They all prove the opposite).
At least have Steve Leung, your good friend I suppose, post his data in this forum so we can talk to him directly.
Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.
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> Dear RM, > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > I sincerely recommend that all myopes who use their eyes a lot for > near-work, seriously consider plus lens for prevention.
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