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An optometrists states his support for the concept of prevention with plus

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otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 14:16 GMT
Dear Prevention minded friends,

Subject:  The prevetive second-opinion on prevention
         as stated by Steve Leung OD.

Sci.med.vision is devoted to the development of
new concepts -- and the free and open discussion
of prevetive methods.

The concept that the eye is dynamic, and that
the natural eye controls it refractive state
to its average visual enviroment is proven
on a scientific level.  (See Howard Howland's research,
as well as primate-eye research.)

Even so, the implementation of the preventive
method is difficult -- and requires that
a person (or his parents) make a choice
between these obviously contradictory
methods.

Here is the second-opinion as stated
by a highly qualified optometrists -- for
your interest and discussion.

_________________________________

From:  Steve I.H. LEUNG Optometrist

Dear Myopic Folk,

Subject:  An optometrist's personal experience or MY AWAKENING

    I am a practicing optometrist working in the field of optics
for more than 16 years.  During these years I faced an excessive
high rate of children developing nearsightedness (myopia).  It is
very hard to resist the obvious need to use a minus lens (concave
lens) for these children.  I deeply appreciate that we all value
clear distant vision for life.    Achieving this goal would be of
great value for all of us.

    Everyday, a great many people are developing the vision
problems of nearsightedness, farsightedness, aged vision -- as
well as crossed and lazy eyes.    These people come to my office and
require immediate vision correction.  They all need glasses.

    Among the visual problems, the case of myopia correction
bothers me greatly.  It is a dilemma and tragedy of using a
"correcting" lenses, which in fact these glasses eventually become
a crutch for life.

    In the early years of practice, I was not aware the long-term
bad effect that a minus lens has on the eye.  This is because
neither the curriculum textbooks nor the professors pointed out
the ultimate side effect that a minus lens has on the eye --
during my many years of doing course work in optometry.

    After graduation, I practiced the full scope of optometry,
from refraction to fundus eye examination, and vision correction
by optical means.  But once these means are removed, the vision is
neither improved nor restored.

    The minus lens is merely an aid to vision, i.e., compensation
by external means.

    In the majority of cases, naked-eye vision gets worse with
the traditional minus lens correction.

    The children will need stronger power glasses in the
following years.  It is a matter of treating the symptom -- but
does not achieve an effective cure.

    I have been mulling over in my mind -- to think about
alternative and better methods to manage myopic eyes, because I
also am nearsighted.

    With my accumulating experience, I am well aware that
constant wearing of minus lens glasses are harmful especially the
full power ones.  However, there is no choice but to use a minus
lens if the child cannot see well in his class.

    At times, the best that I can do is to emphasize that the use
of (minus lens) glasses be restricted to chalk board, and always
must be removed after class.  This is the first step in goal of
avoiding the glasses' side effect.

    But being myopic is unfortunate and inconvenient.    At times
it seems that none of us can escape the use of a minus lenses to
restore clear vision.

    I have been driven into deep thinking about a way of, "how to
restore clear vision from myopic and how to maintain distant
vision for life."

    As a father and an optometrist, I felt a strong commitment to
protect my own child's vision.  It was because my child (age 4) in
her curiosity asked me, "Dad, why do you always wear glasses?  Why
are the kids I play with in school wearing glasses?"

    Her statement had a serious impact on me, and I woke up to
the fact that a child should not be fitted with minus lens glasses
-- if there are means to doing so.

    Why?  The earlier age you begin wearing the minus lens, the
faster vision deteriorates.  The minus lens can make vision worse
all by itself!    Many scientists, engineers and health workers have
formed this opinion -- that the minus lens is definitely harmful
to young kid's long-term vision.

    Because I was sensitive to both the requirement to use the
minus lens, but also understood the secondary effect (vision
deteriorates) I began much broader research into the subject
matter.  This included the judgment of engineers and scientists
(and some ophthalmologists) who "object" to the use of the minus
lens.

    Fortunately, I met several enthusiastic engineers, physicists
and scientists via internet in 2001 by chance.    They provided
excellent postings in their web sites where I got a deep insight
about the development and management of child's acquired myopia --
to include the potential of preventing it in the first place by
wise use of a (reading) plus lens.  They are Donald Rehm, Otis
Brown, James Arthur, Dr.  Stirling Colgate and Alex Eulenberg.

    In fact, researchers such as Dr.  Jacob Raphaelson and Dr.
Francis Young had conducted pioneering work to determine the
cause, effect, and remedy for myopia acquired in school.  As early
as 1904, Dr.  Jacob Raphaelson had used the plus (convex) lens to
effectively cure a child's myopia.  Further, Dr.  Francis Young
has revealed the true cause of acquired myopia with his large
number of insightful experiments and scientific publications in
the 1960s.  All the above mentioned scientists advocate that
preventative measures be instituted to help children avoid getting
into myopia in the first place.

    In view of their spirit and fortitude, I felt that I bore a
responsibility as an optometrist if I did nothing to assist in the
prevention of myopia.

    I regret that I became part of the system (use minus lens)
that was put in place long time ago -- and that this system has
not changed in any significant detail since its inception.

    My goal is to look to the future and begin preventive methods
which can be effective for the child who is on the threshold of
myopia.  Today, I make it clear that my mission and task is to try
my best to discuss the alternate opinion on the therapeutic use of
the plus lens -- instead of the compensatory use of minus lens.  I
do everything in my power to explain the long-term effect that the
minus lens has on the eye's refractive status, and I encourage
parents to review this issue for themselves.

    I have supported several hundred children with the plus lens
since 2001.  The long term effect of the lens is developing, and
results will become better as the use becomes more complete.  Most
of the children retain their current refractive (focal) status and
few of them achieved significant vision improvement.  Although it
is unusual, there have been several cases of complete vision
recovery!  I also felt that making this commitment is a matter of
my personal integrity, and is necessarily part of my work and
career.

Steve Leung OD

Steve I.H. LEUNG Optometrist
Hong Kong, SAR, China
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 14:26 GMT
Subject:  Scientific (not medical) PROOF that the natural eye is
dynamic -- versus passive, which has been the previous and traditional
assumption.

Frank Schaeffel, Adrian Glasser and Howard C. Howland, "Accommodation,
Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens", VISION RES., Vol 28, No.
5 pp 639-657, 1988. Pergamon Press.

RESULTS:

All eyes treated with positive lenses became consistently more positive
(hyperopic).

Negative lenses produced more negative (myopic) refractions (focal
states) in all eyes.

In a test of plus/minus lenses on left/right eyes, the eye with the
plus lens moved in a positive direction.

The eye with a minus lens moved in a minus direction.

The control group did not change significantly in any direction.

Note:  Subsequent testing of the natural young primate eye shows this
same caracteristic signature -- of the "input" minus lens, and the
"output" response.

Of course a number of people can think up endess "objections" to
scientific proof of this nature.

But the objections do not change scientific proof of this nature.

Further, it is optometrists like Steve Leung who are willing to offer
true-prevention based on the above science of the natural eye's
behavior.

Best,

Otis
Neil Brooks - 06 Jun 2005 14:47 GMT
Still no offer of proof that plus lens therapy halts the progression
of myopia in human beings.

STFU, Otis.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jun 2005 15:04 GMT
> Further, it is optometrists like Steve Leung who are willing to offer
> true-prevention based on the above science of the natural eye's
> behavior.

I'm sure chickens are rejoicing all over the world.

Now perhaps Dr. Leung will learn the techniques required to demonstrate
efficacy.

-MT
RM - 07 Jun 2005 17:23 GMT


> Subject:  Scientific (not medical) PROOF that the natural eye is
> dynamic -- versus passive, which has been the previous and traditional
> assumption.

Show us medical evidence-- you know, where it's proven efficacious on HUMAN
subjects!!  Your differentiation is of scientific vs. medical is ridiculous.
We don't fit glasses on chickens.  Humans do not respond to plus lens
treatment as has been proven to you over and over again.

> Frank Schaeffel, Adrian Glasser and Howard C. Howland, "Accommodation,
> Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens", VISION RES., Vol 28, No.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> But the objections do not change scientific proof of this nature.

HERE'S SOME OBJECTIONS FOR YA!
THESE EXPERIMENT, WHICH ARE INDEED SCIENTIFICALLY VALID FOR CHICKENS, ARE
NOT VALID FOR HUMANS!  THERE ARE EVEN A COUPLE OF MONKEY STUDIES THAT
SUGGEST PLUS LENSES MIGHT HELP, BUT NUMEROUS HUMAN STUDIES PROVED THAT THEY
DON'T ON REAL LIFE PEOPLE.  AND SINCE WE FIT EYEGLASSES ON REAL-LIFE PEOPLE,
AND IT'S BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THAT YOUR APPROACH DOESN'T WORK, THEN GO
POST YOUR STUFF IN SOME NEWSGROUP LIKE sci.barnyard.animal.vision.

We have discussed this endless times, and you have been intellectually
undressed so many times in this forum by countless people.  You must be
feeble to continue to argue these ridiculous points.  You pathetic old fool!

Now, it's probably about time for you to drudge up the old
Raphaelson-Printer's Son story.  And I particularly like the accusations of
a conspiracy between eyecare providers and lens supplies to make the
population dependent on eyeglasses.  How about a couple of pilot-engineer
stories just for the sake of repetition.  And throw in some phrases like
"box camera", "dynamic", 'input-output", etc.  Don't forget to misquote a
bunch of old optometrists who don't even know you and would roll over in
their graves and retirement homes if they knew that such a moron as yourself
was referring to their work.

Go design a better vacuum cleaner.  Go sail off the edge of the earth with
your 15th century sextant.

Best,
RM PhD, OD
(Scientist, Medical Practioner, not an engineer)
Neil Brooks - 06 Jun 2005 14:47 GMT
Still no proof offered anywhere.

STFU, Otis.
A Lieberman - 06 Jun 2005 15:05 GMT
> Dear Prevention minded friends,

Dear Prevention minded friends,

Please disregard Otis's postings.  He is not in the medical profession and
not in any position to give medical advice.

Thank you!

Allen
Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 15:23 GMT
Dear Dr. Leung,

Thank you for your comments.  I await your future twin publications in
the peer-reviewed scientific literature, one of which will provide
evidence that prescribing minus lenses for myopes is harmful, and the
second proving efficacy of plus lens treatment.

Like you, I tended to believe those practitioners whose fervor over
bifocals and plus lenses far exceeded the evidence that such things
were effective in actual practice.  Therefore, I wasn't surprised when
one of the chief proponents recanted in the face of overwhelming
evidence.

Let's continue our free and frank discussion of such matters for the
benefit of the public's right to be informed.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jun 2005 15:41 GMT
Dear DrG,
>From long review of these issues I concluded that you
can not "prescribe" prevention and "medical".

You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most
prescribe for "best visual acuity".

As you know there are ODs and MDs who will
"underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it).

One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus
takes a great deal of personal "force" and
conviction to do it "correctly".

Since that type of intellectual and physical
commitment must come from "internal" to the
person -- if follows that is must be HIS JUDGMENT
OF THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS that steers his
work on prevention.  Truly a job for the
most "gifted" in this area -- no insult
intended to you or anyone else.

You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great
mass of humainity walking in off the street.
You can certainly call that "medical" if you
wish -- and I have no desire to get involved
in THAT situation.

But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply
different that dealing with the general public
as you do.

So let us continue our pleasant conversations
about prevention with the plus -- as well
as acknowledging its obvious difficulties.

Best,

Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT
> Dear DrG,
> >From long review of these issues I concluded that you
> can not "prescribe" prevention and "medical".

What are you talking about?  Nobody can prescribe "prevention," and I
most certainly can prescribe "medical."  I do it all the time.

> You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most
> prescribe for "best visual acuity".

Au contraire, Pierre.  This proves that you don't understand what you
are talking about.

> As you know there are ODs and MDs who will
> "underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it).

Sure.  So what?

> One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus
> takes a great deal of personal "force" and
> conviction to do it "correctly".

I agree that it takes a great deal of force and conviction to engage in
an activity that yields meager results if any results at all.

> Since that type of intellectual and physical
> commitment must come from "internal" to the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> most "gifted" in this area -- no insult
> intended to you or anyone else.

I call that type of intellectual and physical commitment "stupidity."
No insult to you or anybody else.

> You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great
> mass of humainity walking in off the street.
> You can certainly call that "medical" if you
> wish -- and I have no desire to get involved
> in THAT situation.

No.  I call that kind of "proof" science.  I like to be able to have
something called scientific evidence to support my clinical decisions.

> But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply
> different that dealing with the general public
> as you do.

Of course it isn't.  This is further proof that you don't know what you
are saying.

> So let us continue our pleasant conversations
> about prevention with the plus -- as well
> as acknowledging its obvious difficulties.

You don't seem very pleasant to me, and prevention with plus is an
oxymoron.  Now, if you would like to prove your assertion...

DrG
Mike Tyner - 06 Jun 2005 16:36 GMT
> But the nature of SCIENTIFIC proof is simply
> different that dealing with the general public
> as you do.

Does it require actually making measurements on groups of humans?

Is is "scientific" when it's tested on chickens, and "medical" when testing
humans? Is that the difference?

-MT
A Lieberman - 06 Jun 2005 17:56 GMT
> You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most
> prescribe for "best visual acuity".

Otis,

Please provide PROOF of the above statement OUTSIDE your website.  

I bet you won't and can't.

'nuf said....

Allen
RM - 07 Jun 2005 17:36 GMT

> You do "over-prescribe" the minus since most
> prescribe for "best visual acuity".

What a misinformed thing to say.  You really prove that you don't know what
you are talking about.

Limit your advice to the sextant-- you know something about that and nobody
else cares so you won't hurt or misinform anyone.

> As you know there are ODs and MDs who will
> "underprescibe" (depends on how you look at it).

So what-- it's a decades old concept that's been proven to be ineffective in
preventing myopia progression.  In fact, one scientific study suggests
overcorrection with excessive minus seems to be efficacious.

> One think is certain -- prevntion with the plus
> takes a great deal of personal "force" and
> conviction to do it "correctly".

Sure does.  You have to ignor the data that shows that it doesn't work, and
you have to hope that a large component of your myopia is accommodative
rather than anatomical.  Of course you could just get a cycloplegic eye exam
and find that out quickly.

> Since that type of intellectual and physical
> commitment must come from "internal" to the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> most "gifted" in this area -- no insult
> intended to you or anyone else.

No insult taken.  After all, it takes a great "gift" to misinform and
mislead someone in the face of scientific evidence that your prevention
method works.  That makes you a snake-oil salesman and a con-man.  No
offense intended of course.

> You are looking for "proof" to deal with the great
> mass of humainity walking in off the street.
> You can certainly call that "medical" if you
> wish -- and I have no desire to get involved
> in THAT situation.

No, you would rather discuss the results of experiment performed on
chickens.

> So let us continue our pleasant conversations
> about prevention with the plus -- as well
> as acknowledging its obvious difficulties.

Why do you derive pleasure in being intellectually thrashed time after time
in this newsgroup.  You gain no converts to your theory here-- you have the
reputation of an old fool who is a charlatan.

You have some serious psychological issues.

> Best,
>
> Otis
otisbrown@pa.net - 09 Jun 2005 16:46 GMT
Dear RM,

You have a tragically slammed-shut mind, not only against
all primate studies that prove the true dynamic behavior
of the natural eye, but against ALL OTHER  OPTOMETRISTS
who are attempting to help the plublic with this
preventive method.

Quit you ad-hominim attacks, and respect a person's right
to an informed, competent "second opinion" -- as
stated by Steve Leung OD:

________________

Written by Steve H. LEUNG and HAN Bossino, Translated by Steve LEUNG



    If you have been wearing glasses for several years and over
-3.00 D, you probably have a case of axial-length myopia.  It is
impossible to shorten the elongated eyeball with the fogging-method
(plus lens) to reverse this myopia.  However, the lens is significant
to prevent further myopic development as well as to reduce some part of
your myopia over a period of time.

    Acquired myopia appears in school children of 7 to 9 and
progresses with age.  Almost every myope has gone through the agony of
changing minus-lens glasses yearly during the course of elementary and
secondary school.

    The reason behind this threshold-myopia is that the eye at
this young age is still developing.  The layers of eyeball coating
are relatively fragile compared with adult eye.  Minus-lens glasses are
given to children on the threshold of nearsighted and they are
encouraged to wear them all the time.

    Near point stress is significantly increased when the minus
lens are worn at near work -- causing rapid vision deterioration,
that is then followed by eyeball elongation.

    Generally, myopia stabilizes after reaching maturity by age
20.

    In order to avoid getting into high myopia (over -6.00 D),
myopes should adopt preventative measures (how to prevent
nearsightedness) designed to relieve near point stress.

    Myopia is a natural (physiological) process that the eye uses to
adapt to the excessive near focal environment.  It develops because of
the way you use your eyes, and is much more prominent in young people.

    The simplest way to avoid near focal environment is to give
up all reading or any close work.  This is impracticable in our
modern world requiring literate and educated citizens.

    Fogging with plus lens is an alternate method that allows the
near focal environment to be moved "into the distance".  This
process "relaxes" the and removes the stress of prolonged close work.
The method is simple, easy and economic.
    Method should be implemented with incipient Myopes below -3.00 D.
These children should take off their (minus-lens) glasses for any near
work.

    Why?  The glasses are provided for use at distance 20 feet
and greater.  You can figure out how tired the eye becomes if you use
the minus-lens glasses at any distance shorter than 20 feet
--especially at 1 to 2 feet when doing near work.  It is the major
reason accounting for your you vision shows rapid vision
deterioration when wearing these glasses.  This is especially true in
young children.

    Myopes over -3.00 D should consider two pairs of glasses. One for
far and the other for near.  The full power one is for emergency or
driving.  The other one should be reduced by 1 to 2 diopter for
comfortable near work.  You will not experience too
much tiredness and fatigue with the use of the reduced prescription
glasses -- after your whole-day work in front of a
computer.

    It is simpler for contact lens wearers to put on a pair of
plus-lens (+1.00 to +2.00 depends on situation) glasses any time you
are doing near-work.  Such glasses have a magnifying effect and you
will see will everything larger.  The stress caused by the intensive
near-work is greatly reduced by the use of the plus in this manner.

    Patience and persistence is a crucial factor in using the
plus-lens glasses.

    I am a high myope wearing contact lens.  I have been using
plus lens all the time during my work since 2001.  I am a journalist
which involves doing a great deal of computer work as a relatively
close distance.  My prescription has been reduced from -15 D to -14 D
in the past two years of doing this prolonged close work.

    I sincerely recommend that all myopes who use their eyes a lot for
near-work, seriously consider plus lens for prevention.
RM - 10 Jun 2005 01:26 GMT

Please provide the references of optometrist who have presented proof in
humans that myopia is accelerated by the use of minus lenses, and/or that
plus lenses prevents myopia.  Not anecdotal reports, but real scientific
studies (Hint, there aren't any.  They all prove the opposite).

At least have Steve Leung, your good friend I suppose, post his data in this
forum so we can talk to him directly.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

==========================

> Dear RM,
>
[quoted text clipped - 90 lines]
>     I sincerely recommend that all myopes who use their eyes a lot for
> near-work, seriously consider plus lens for prevention.
 
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