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Why do farsighted people complain about glasses?
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AsianMale - 05 Jun 2005 05:50 GMT Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes worse. They also claim that their eye exercises can cure ALL eye diseases.
But what really makes me angry is when they have testimonials of people who are FARSIGHTED! What does that have to do with myopia reversal? Furthermore I have discovered that this so-called myopia, and astigmatism prevention/reversal are only possible for the slightly myopic.
But seriously, why are these farsighted people so amazed that they "improved" their vision, when actually all they did was move their eyes in a more negative direction?
Is their "improvement" supposed to impress us who are myopic?
Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the board, not being able to do their job, not getting more bulging eyes from negative lenses (when you take them off), not having to lose their glasses and be totally inefficient the whole day, not having staircase myopia.
Farsighted people are God's gift, they are the lucky ones. I don't see why farsighted people are even concerned with vision exercises or vision "improvement" at all.
Does anyone know why they are?
The Real Bev - 05 Jun 2005 06:03 GMT > Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? > Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Does anyone know why they are? Because, jerk, farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses. Add astigmatism and it gets worse. You might want to check a dictionary before you mouth off next time.
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youidiota@yahoo.com - 05 Jun 2005 06:12 GMT > > Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? > > Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > little children jump up and down and run around yelling and > screaming...They don't know I'm only using blanks." --Emo I'm sure they can see the board from the back of the room, right?
The Real Bev - 05 Jun 2005 06:14 GMT youidiota@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? > > > Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I'm sure they can see the board from the back of the room, right? Certainly. Without a doubt I would be able to see that there is a board in the front of the room if I were sitting in the back of the room. The problem arises only when I want to read what's written on it.
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AsianMale - 05 Jun 2005 06:25 GMT but you're "far-sighted", therefore you should be able to see things that are "far away". If the blackboard is 20 feet away, why should not you be able to see it?
Rod Speed - 05 Jun 2005 06:42 GMT >> Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? >> Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Does anyone know why they are?
> Because, jerk, farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses. Wrong. Most of them only need glasses when reading.
> Add astigmatism and it gets worse.
> You might want to check a dictionary before you mouth off next time. Or you might. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=farsighted
The Real Bev - 05 Jun 2005 06:55 GMT > >> Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? > >> Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Wrong. Most of them only need glasses when reading. Those people have normal vision.
Hyperopes do not have normal vision. As hyperopes get older, they can accommodate less and less and it becomes harder and harder to focus close up. Eventually NOTHING can be focused. I didn't need to wear glasses for reading until I was 38. Now I need them for everything. If you don't, be grateful.
> > Add astigmatism and it gets worse. > > > You might want to check a dictionary before you mouth off next time. > > Or you might. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=farsighted Whatever. I suspect that the definition in a medical dictionary might be quite different...
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/hyperopia.jsp
What do YOU consider the proper word for people whose eyeballs are too short to allow the lens+cornea to ever focus the image on the retina?
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Rod Speed - 05 Jun 2005 07:21 GMT >> >> Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? >> >> Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Wrong. Most of them only need glasses when reading.
> Those people have normal vision. Wrong. Those that dont need glasses at all have normal vision.
> Hyperopes do not have normal vision. Correct. BUT THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
> As hyperopes get older, they can accommodate less and > less and it becomes harder and harder to focus close up. Separate issue entirely to your original claim that they cant see anything clearly without glasses. They can see things at a distance fine.
> Eventually NOTHING can be focused. Wrong. Whatever is in focus with the lense relaxed can be seen fine, and that is what is at a distance.
> I didn't need to wear glasses for reading until I was 38. Irrelevant to your original claim that they cant see anything clearly without glasses. They can see things at a distance fine.
> Now I need them for everything. Then you dont have simple hyperopia.
> If you don't, be grateful. Irrelevant.
>>> Add astigmatism and it gets worse.
>>> You might want to check a dictionary before you mouth off next time.
>> Or you might. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=farsighted
> Whatever. I suspect that the definition in a > medical dictionary might be quite different...
> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/hyperopia.jsp Which says
Depending upon the amount of hyperopia, symptoms can range from none to clear distance vision but blurry near vision
Nothing like your original.
> What do YOU consider the proper word for people whose eyeballs are > too short to allow the lens+cornea to ever focus the image on the retina? I didnt even comment on that term. I JUST commented on your claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
That is just plain wrong, as both the normal and medical dictionarys say.
Dr. Leukoma - 05 Jun 2005 13:28 GMT > >> >> Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? > >> >> Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE > THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. Bev is correct. Farsighted people require accommodation to see at every distance. True, they require accommodation MORE for close vision, but accommodation is still required for DISTANCE vision. When accommodation begins to fail, then the image becomes a blur -- first at near, then also at far. AT SOME POINT, a farsighted individual cannot see clearly at any distance.
To make the situation worse, the natural tendency to see something is to get closer to it. For a farsighted person, this increases the blur. A nearsighted person at least can see to insert their contact lenses. In my experience, farsighted people tend to be more unhappy than nearsighted people with their visual situation on a diopter equivalent basis.
DrG
AsianMale - 05 Jun 2005 17:17 GMT >Bev is correct. Farsighted people require accommodation to see at >every distance. True, they require accommodation MORE for close >vision, but accommodation is still required for DISTANCE vision. When >accommodation begins to fail, then the image becomes a blur -- first at >near, then also at far. AT SOME POINT, a farsighted individual cannot >see clearly at any distance.
>To make the situation worse, the natural tendency to see something is >to get closer to it. For a farsighted person, this increases the blur. > A nearsighted person at least can see to insert their contact lenses. >In my experience, farsighted people tend to be more unhappy than >nearsighted people with their visual situation on a diopter equivalent >basis. If farsighted people are so boohoo, then why don't they try on some minus lenses and hen do some closework. That will "improve" their hyperopia. See? I have all the answers, no matter how sarcastic they are.
Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes. So just get a farsighted person and give them some minus lenses and then block out all their windows. They will be accomodating here and there and pretty soon their eyeball will grow so long they will become myopic. There's a great solution.
Sue - 05 Jun 2005 23:03 GMT > Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents > deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes. If that's true, I'm a little puzzled as to what those of us who need glasses are supposed to do.
I mean, there aren't a whole lot of alternatives to wearing glasses. I'm guessing contacts aren't any better, and not everyone can wear them anyway.
Laser surgery? Just letting everything be a blur? If glasses destroy your eyes, what other choices do you have?
Meifumado - 05 Jun 2005 23:28 GMT why is this in alt.suicide.holiday?
Please don't post this here.
Respectfully,
Pete
Meifumado - 05 Jun 2005 23:46 GMT Do gay people or Nazis have worse eyesight?
Meifumado - 05 Jun 2005 23:46 GMT Do gay people or Nazis have worse eyesight?
AsianMale - 06 Jun 2005 23:12 GMT > > Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents > > deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Laser surgery? Just letting everything be a blur? If glasses destroy > your eyes, what other choices do you have? Suicide
Mike Tyner - 05 Jun 2005 23:46 GMT > Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents > deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes. According to whom?
> So just > get a farsighted person and give them some minus lenses and then block > out all their windows. They will be accomodating here and there and > pretty soon their eyeball will grow so long they will become myopic. Silly, they don't need minus lenses. Their eyes have "the dreaded minus" built in. Why don't they get nearsighted? Is it the windows?
> There's a great solution. The problem and the solution are both imaginary.
-MT, OD
Meifumado - 05 Jun 2005 23:49 GMT Do gay people or Nazis have worse eyesight?
AsianMale - 06 Jun 2005 23:17 GMT Germans do have funny glasses, but I'm pretty sure gay people have worse eyesight. Women are more adapted to close work. Gays and women both respond to testosterone the same, therefore being gay is genetic. Therefore gays and women have worse vision than Nazis.
AsianMale - 06 Jun 2005 23:15 GMT > Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents > deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes.
>According to whom? According to ME. Thanks to my caring eye doctors i can only see 4 inches in front of my face. I am pretty god damned sure this is not genetic. Those of you who disagree do not see what I see.
Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 13:21 GMT > Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents > deterioration, it has been proved that they destroy your eyes. So just > get a farsighted person and give them some minus lenses and then block > out all their windows. They will be accomodating here and there and > pretty soon their eyeball will grow so long they will become myopic. > There's a great solution. Where's the proof that eyeglasses destroy eyes, Asian boy? Oh, I forgot. The proof is in your solipsistic young head. Living in a house without windows is simply a metaphor for your mind.
DrG
Rod Speed - 05 Jun 2005 20:27 GMT >> The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote >>>> The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote
>>>>>> Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? >>>>>> Farsighted people never have to worry about not being able to see the >>>>>> board, not being able to do their job, not getting more bulging eyes >>>>>> from negative lenses (when you take them off), not having to lose their >>>>>> glasses and be totally inefficient the whole day, not having staircase >>>>>> myopia.
>>>>>> Farsighted people are God's gift, they are the lucky ones. >>>>>> I don't see why farsighted people are even concerned >>>>>> with vision exercises or vision "improvement" at all.
>>>>>> Does anyone know why they are?
>>>>> Because, jerk, farsighted people can't >>>>> see ANYTHING clearly without glasses.
>>>> Wrong. Most of them only need glasses when reading.
>>> Those people have normal vision.
>> Wrong. Those that dont need glasses at all have normal vision.
>>> Hyperopes do not have normal vision.
>> Correct. BUT THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
>> THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE >> THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
> Bev is correct. Like hell she is with that completely silly claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> Farsighted people require accommodation to see at every distance. Bullshit. Most obviously those who ONLY need reading glasses.
> True, they require accommodation MORE for close vision, > but accommodation is still required for DISTANCE vision. Bullshit. Most obviously those who ONLY need reading glasses.
> When accommodation begins to fail, then the image becomes > a blur -- first at near, then also at far. AT SOME POINT, a > farsighted individual cannot see clearly at any distance. Pity about those who ONLY need reading glasses.
> To make the situation worse, the natural tendency > to see something is to get closer to it. Thats just plain wrong too with those who do need reading glasses. THEY tend to hold things at a distance so they can read it when they dong have their reading glasses handy and their vision isnt too bad.
> For a farsighted person, this increases the blur. Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> A nearsighted person at least can see to insert their contact lenses. Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> In my experience, farsighted people tend to be > more unhappy than nearsighted people with their > visual situation on a diopter equivalent basis. Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
Mike Tyner - 05 Jun 2005 23:52 GMT > Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted > people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses' It's true for every hyperope her age. What's silly is to scoff at her and pretend to know her symptoms better than she does.
-MT
Tom Quackenbush - 06 Jun 2005 00:39 GMT >> Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted >> people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses' > >It's true for every hyperope her age. What's silly is to scoff at her and >pretend to know her symptoms better than she does. Mike -
FYI, Rod is a well known troll (or possibly just an idiot) in m.c.f-l. Most of the posters there ignore him, thereby not annoying those of us that have him in their killfile.
As for the OP, I'm not sure what his issues are.
R, Tom Q.
Rod Speed - 06 Jun 2005 01:34 GMT >> Irrelevant to her completely silly claim that 'farsighted >> people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> It's true for every hyperope her age. Pity that she didnt say anything about age.
> What's silly is to scoff at her and pretend to know her symptoms better than > she does. Her symptoms are completely irrelevant to the GENERAL claim she made about the farsighted.
William Stacy - 05 Jun 2005 15:37 GMT > THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE > THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. It really means that they can see thing better, or easier at distance than at near. And how well they see at far depends on age and amount of hyperopia (far sightedness). If the amount is over 3 D. or so, they can't see very well at any distance and are likely to have crossed eyes without their glasses. The only people who see very clearly at far when they are over the age of 50 are emmetropes, not hyperopes.
w.stacy, o.d.
Dan Abel - 05 Jun 2005 21:24 GMT > >> Wrong. Most of them only need glasses when reading. > > > Those people have normal vision. > > Wrong. Those that dont need glasses at all have normal vision. I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define normal vision as being able to see both near and far without correction.
> > Hyperopes do not have normal vision. > > Correct. BUT THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. > > THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE > THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. My son is myopic, but only wears his glasses for driving. He can see at a distance well enough for most things, even though he is technically myopic. I used to be severely myopic. Did that mean that I could see things up close just fine? No! I could not read without my glasses. The farthest I could focus without correction was one inch. The nearest I could focus was one inch. My depth of field (range of distances I could see without significant blur) was about 1/4 of an inch. It is very difficult to read a book with that kind of vision. You have to close one eye and move the book back and forth in front of the other eye, because you can't focus both on the middle of the line and the ends of the line at the same time (moving your eye, obviously).
At least I could focus and see sharply at *some* distance. About .01% of the time, it was useful to be able to see really tiny things clearly by taking off my glasses and holding them an inch from one eye (had to close the other eye, because obviously it wasn't possible to hold something within one inch of both eyes, not to mention the mucle strain of crossing the eyes so severely. It was like I had a built in high power magnifying system! My wife is not so lucky. She is hyperopic, but cannot focus at any distance. It's true that things are blurrier the closer they are, but things are still blurry at infinity, and her drivers license shows the restriction that she cannot drive without corrective lenses. It's true that milder hyperopes can see at infinity without correction, and really mild hyperopes can see middle distances without correction.
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Dr. Leukoma - 06 Jun 2005 13:15 GMT The punctum remotum for a farsighted person is always behind the retina. Therefore, either accommodation or a plus lens is required to place the punctum remotum on the retina. If accommodation is no longer possible, i.e. presbyopia, then only a plus lens will move the focus onto the retina. Therefore, a farsighted person is only able to see well at infinity when the amplitude of accommodation approximately equals or exceeds the refractive error. I have had many patients with a refractive error of +0.50 who could not read the 20/20 line on the Snellen chart. That's why I say that at some point in life, a farsighted person will perceive blur at any distance.
It would seem that such a statement is pretty straightforward and irrefutable.
DrG
drfrank21@gmail.com - 07 Jun 2005 01:36 GMT Dan> I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define normal
> vision as being able to see both near and far without correction. Dan, your definition is way too simplistic. Does a strab (somebody with no binocularity but monocular va's of 20/20) have normal vision?? Or someone with a significant amount of hyperopia cranking out his/her accommodation (as a result, severe eye strain) to achieve 20/20 va's declared normal vision?? Yes, that person is seeing 20/20 uncorrected but causing a lot of eye discomfort as a result.
frank
Dan Abel - 07 Jun 2005 20:26 GMT > Dan> I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define > normal > > vision as being able to see both near and far without correction. > > > Dan, your definition is way too simplistic. That's what comes out of having a layperson trying to define technical terms! We tend to see things in terms of what is at hand, rather than the big picture.
Let's summarize this thread:
1. A possible troll stated that hyperopes have no reason to complain about glasses because they can see just fine at distance.
2. Bev responded that hyperopes can't see *anything* at *any* distance without correction.
3. A different possible troll responded that *most* <emphasis mine> hyperopes only need glasses to see up close.
4. Bev responded that those people have normal vision.
5. I disagreed, but posted a response that was too simplistic. What I perhaps *should* have responded was that I don't consider a non-presbyopic hyperope who only needs glasses to see close, to have "normal vision".
Is that better, drfrank21? Do you consider Rod's statement that most hyperopes only need glasses to see up close, to be true in your experience?
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drfrank21@gmail.com - 07 Jun 2005 22:46 GMT > > Dan> I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define > > normal [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > hyperopes only need glasses to see up close, to be true in your > experience? Dan, a good summary but only add that it was started by a troll, not a possible troll. And it's impossible to state either way "whether most hyperopes only need glasses for near" without taking into account the actual amount of their hyperopic error. Thus most hyperopes with a +.50 D refractive error do not need any glasses while most (all) hyperopes need a full time correction with a +5.00 D refractive error. So the op troll was dead wrong with his assumption(s).
And then you add that people's definitions of "normal" can be totally different. I've seen patients who have told me their vision is "fine" and "normal" when in fact their vision is quite a bit less than 20/20 (as low as 20/200). Conversely, I've had patients decry their vision was "terrible" and they were seeing 20/15.
frank
AsianMale - 08 Jun 2005 06:24 GMT > So the op troll was dead wrong with his assumption(s).
I was not wrong. I am never wrong. Hyperopes have better lives than us. Haven't you read the things that say that people who wear farsighted glasses have less tension, better blood pressure, less headaches, less eye pain, less eye strain, etc. etc.?
Dr. Leukoma - 08 Jun 2005 12:49 GMT The things that "WHO" says? Why not ask the experts? There are several of us here.
DrG
ASIANMALE(age16) - 09 Jun 2005 00:21 GMT > The things that "WHO" says? Why not ask the experts? There are > several of us here. > > DrG ask the people, the doctors will lie.
Dr Judy - 09 Jun 2005 20:31 GMT >> So the op > troll was dead wrong with his assumption(s). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > farsighted glasses have less tension, better blood pressure, less > headaches, less eye pain, less eye strain, etc. etc.? Do you have a reference for that statement? I've never heard of a correlation between hyperopia and hypertension. From my experience, I would say that uncorrected hyperopes have more headaches, more eye pain and more eye strain; I don't think there is any difference between corrected hyperopes and corrected myopes.
Dr Judy
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 01:56 GMT > "The Real Bev" <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in message > > > Hyperopes do not have normal vision. > > Correct. BUT THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. If you can see both far and near you are an emmetrope. If you can see near, but not far, you are a myope. If you can see far, but not near, you are a hyperope. Carry myopia far enough and you can still focus on stuff an inch from your nose. Carry hyperopia far enough and infinity isn't far enough away for you to focus.
The word 'hyperopia' is ambiguous. Can we leave it at that?
> THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE > THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Then you dont have simple hyperopia. No, I don't. If I did, I'd need simple +3D and +5D lenses in order to see street signs at useful distances (like across the street). To read at normal distances, I need to add 2.25D to those numbers.
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Rod Speed - 06 Jun 2005 04:58 GMT >> The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>> Hyperopes do not have normal vision.
>> Correct. BUT THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
> If you can see both far and near you are an emmetrope. > If you can see near, but not far, you are a myope. > If you can see far, but not near, you are a hyperope. Duh.
> Carry myopia far enough and you can > still focus on stuff an inch from your nose. Duh, and irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> Carry hyperopia far enough and infinity > isn't far enough away for you to focus. Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
> The word 'hyperopia' is ambiguous. Can we leave it at that? Nope, YOU were the one who brought that up, the OP used the word farsighted and YOU made the stupid pig ignorant claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
>> THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED FAR SIGHTED, BECAUSE >> THEY CAN SEE THINGS AT A DISTANCE FINE.
>>> As hyperopes get older, they can accommodate less and >>> less and it becomes harder and harder to focus close up.
>> Separate issue entirely to your original claim that they cant see anything >> clearly without glasses. They can see things at a distance fine.
>>> Eventually NOTHING can be focused.
>> Wrong. Whatever is in focus with the lense relaxed >> can be seen fine, and that is what is at a distance.
>>> I didn't need to wear glasses for reading until I was 38.
>> Irrelevant to your original claim that they cant see anything >> clearly without glasses. They can see things at a distance fine.
>>> Now I need them for everything.
>> Then you dont have simple hyperopia.
> No, I don't. If I did, I'd need simple +3D and +5D lenses in order > to see street signs at useful distances (like across the street). To > read at normal distances, I need to add 2.25D to those numbers. Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that 'farsighted people can't see ANYTHING clearly without glasses'
Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
AsianMale - 05 Jun 2005 17:09 GMT >Those people have normal vision.
>Hyperopes do not have normal vision. As >hyperopes get older, they can >accommodate less and less and it becomes >harder and harder to focus close up. >Eventually NOTHING can be focused. I didn't >need to wear glasses for reading >until I was 38. Now I need them for >everything. If you don't, be grateful. WAH WAH WAH!!!! DOES BABY WANT A BOTTLE? You're right, I'll be grateful that I need glasses to do EVERYTHING, that, even with glasses I STILL can't have clear vision unless I put on my overprescribed minus lenses which will make the image MORE BLURRY. I cannot function without glasses! At least you can go out and look at the stars.
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 02:08 GMT > >Those people have normal vision. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > lenses which will make the image MORE BLURRY. I cannot function > without glasses! At least you can go out and look at the stars. Indeed. The stars that I can see without glasses are roughly equivalent to fuzzy full moons. Actually, more like comets with two short stubby tails, each about 10 degrees off plumb.
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AsianMale - 06 Jun 2005 23:23 GMT >The stars that I can see without glasses are roughly equivalent to >fuzzy full moons. Actually, more like comets with two short stubby tails, >each about 10 degrees off plumb. Okay, not sure what you mean by "10 degrees off plumb", but... WAHHH WAHHH WAHHHH!
You got this way yourself, the fact of the matter is that you love plus lenses, while us myopes hate minues lenses. To you plus lenses have been a drug that feels good, but to us myopes, minus lenses have been a drug that doesn't feel good, but only gives us migraine headaches, facial tension, shrunken images, and so much other bad stuff.
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 23:59 GMT > You got this way yourself, the fact of the matter is that you love plus > lenses, while us myopes hate minues lenses. To you plus lenses have > been a drug that feels good, but to us myopes, minus lenses have been a > drug that doesn't feel good, but only gives us migraine headaches, > facial tension, shrunken images, and so much other bad stuff. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you're not only a troll, you're an a.shole.
 Signature Cheers, Bev xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.
William Stacy - 07 Jun 2005 00:32 GMT Oh no, not *the* infamous troll-hole again...
> I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you're not only a troll, you're an > a.shole. Barbara Bomberger - 09 Jun 2005 19:23 GMT >>Those people have normal vision. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >lenses which will make the image MORE BLURRY. I cannot function >without glasses! At least you can go out and look at the stars. Definitely kill fill time, troll.............
And your also an idiot.
Rod Speed - 05 Jun 2005 06:38 GMT > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > why farsighted people are even concerned with vision exercises or > vision "improvement" at all.
> Does anyone know why they are? Basically its inconvenient to need glasses for reading.
AsianMale - 05 Jun 2005 17:06 GMT > > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Basically its inconvenient to need glasses for reading. Well it's basically inconvenient to not be able to wear overprescribed minus lenses for fear that they will make the eye grow longer, furthering the risk for detached retina. Thus it's basically inconvenient not being able to see far while wearing weak glasses, and not being able to see the computer screen with weak glasses. It's basically inconvenient having a focal distance of 4 inches and experiencing far more blar than any hyperope. It's basically inconvenient having giant bulging eyes when I take my glasses off. It's basically inconveninent not being able to function if your glasses slide off your nose but yet your head is down; thus it's basically inconvenient scrunching your nose to see anything, when a farsighted person can just look over their glasses.
Charles - 05 Jun 2005 17:22 GMT > thus it's basically inconvenient scrunching your nose It is inconvenient going to the toilet before relieving oneself but somehow we manage. Life is full of inconveniences we have to live with everyday. Millions of people manage to wear glasses. Life goes on...
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Bill 2 - 05 Jun 2005 18:44 GMT >> > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say >> > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > inconvenient scrunching your nose to see anything, when a farsighted > person can just look over their glasses. Mindless stuff, really.
Simon Dean - 05 Jun 2005 19:58 GMT > experiencing far more blar than any hyperope. It's basically > inconvenient having giant bulging eyes when I take my glasses off. Do you have a thyroid problem?
Tush Smells Bush Kills!!!!!!!!!!! - 06 Jun 2005 01:56 GMT Why not get LASIK instead of whining?
I got mine over five years ago and it's been great.
Don Klipstein - 05 Jun 2005 07:12 GMT >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Seriously, what do farsighted people have to complain about? I am a farsighted person that makes my eyeglass providers undercorrect my prescription slightly, and I still deteriorate to an extent that gets notably worse every few years. I need "reading glasses" now most of the time to see well anything closer than my 17 inch computer monitor!
Although I surely say this in the direction of saying that eye exercise programs are about 80% BS!!! Exercise your eyes as best as possible, and this means you need at age 50 what you otherwise would have needed at age 45, or need at age 45 what you would otherwise would have needed at age 41 or 40!
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Mark Nobles - 05 Jun 2005 07:36 GMT > >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > 45, or need at age 45 what you would otherwise would have needed at age 41 > or 40! Don, You are too generous. These exercise programs are 100% Bullshit. Exercise your eyes as best as possible, and it makes absolutely no difference to your vision. The muscles on the eyeballs that control focus are not the kind that are affected by exercise. The ones that control pointing are, but not the ones that control focus. So exercise or no, it makes no difference to your vision.
Also, slightly undercorrecting does not slow your deterioration. The only way to do that is to make time pass more slowly. All you are doing is giving yourself headaches for naught.
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 02:18 GMT > > >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > > >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > notably worse every few years. I need "reading glasses" now most of the > > time to see well anything closer than my 17 inch computer monitor! See my comment at the bottom. My reading glasses from 10 years ago now make fine mid-range glasses for fixing the car, etc.
> > Although I surely say this in the direction of saying that eye exercise > > programs are about 80% BS!!! Exercise your eyes as best as possible, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > only way to do that is to make time pass more slowly. All you are doing > is giving yourself headaches for naught. It may be noted that myopia decreases with age, so no matter what they do nearsighted people will grow more farsighted as they get older. So do farsighted people :-(
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Elizabeth Moran - 05 Jun 2005 09:32 GMT > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > "improved" their vision, when actually all they did was move their eyes > in a more negative direction? I think a better question is: Why did you post this to alt.suicide.holiday, rec.arts.tv, misc.consumers.frugal-living, and alt.suicide.methods?
I smell a TROLL.
~Elizabeth
Shawn Hearn - 05 Jun 2005 12:36 GMT > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > astigmatism prevention/reversal are only possible for the slightly > myopic. I never heard of such a thing. If a particular type of web site stirs anger in you, stop looking at those kinds of web sites. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to visit any web site.
Bill 2 - 05 Jun 2005 17:11 GMT > Farsighted people are God's gift, they are the lucky ones. I don't see > why farsighted people are even concerned with vision exercises or > vision "improvement" at all. > > Does anyone know why they are? I don't understand why farsighted people are God's gift, at best they still need glasses to read, so there still is improvement to be had.
I'm neither farsighted, nor nearsighted (at least not to a noticeable extent), so I can read writing inches from my eyes, or the highway sign a hundred or so feet away, without any corrective lenses.
Warren - 05 Jun 2005 17:41 GMT > Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Does anyone know why they are? Does anyone know why you're posting to these newsgroups?
Tock - 05 Jun 2005 19:04 GMT What I'd like to know is why don't we have more farsighted people in politics? -Tock
DaveJohnson12@nomail. - 05 Jun 2005 19:09 GMT >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Does anyone know why they are? I'm farsighted and I need 12 pairs of glasses to see at all distances.
Chuck Olson - 05 Jun 2005 19:46 GMT > >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I'm farsighted and I need 12 pairs of glasses to see at all distances. But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. The farsighted should not be so unhappy. Besides they can light a fire with their lenses, while the nearsighted will have to rub two sticks together a whole lot - - enjoy your fire, you farsighted fockers!.
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 02:24 GMT Inappropriate newsgroups deleted...
> > >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > > >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay > $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. No you don't. If you aren't hung up on fashionable (read "expensive") frames you can get prescription glasses for half that (plus the exam, of course) by smart shopping. Moreover, we can get + lenses for a buck a pair, but generally only up to about +3D. Better than nothing, of course.
> The farsighted should not be so > unhappy. Besides they can light a fire with their lenses, while the > nearsighted will have to rub two sticks together a whole lot - - enjoy your > fire, you farsighted fockers!. That doesn't work. Poke a hole in a dry log, put in some dry burnable stuff, put a pointy stick in the hole and twirl it between your palms.
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Bill 2 - 06 Jun 2005 02:44 GMT > Inappropriate newsgroups deleted... > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > stuff, > put a pointy stick in the hole and twirl it between your palms. Instead of your palms, fashion a bow with a stick and some string / string substitute, and use this. Much move leverage.
Rod Speed - 06 Jun 2005 05:00 GMT >> Inappropriate newsgroups deleted... >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Instead of your palms, fashion a bow with a stick and some string / string > substitute, and use this. Much move leverage. move leverage has been banned.
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 05:33 GMT > >> The farsighted should not be so > >> unhappy. Besides they can light a fire with their lenses, while the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Instead of your palms, fashion a bow with a stick and some string / string > substitute, and use this. Much move leverage. That's Lesson 2!
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silverblue001@hotmail.com - 06 Jun 2005 05:00 GMT > > But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay > > $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. > > No you don't. If you aren't hung up on fashionable (read "expensive") frames > you can get prescription glasses for half that (plus the exam, of course) by > smart shopping. <rant>
Ummmmm ... no. At least not if you're a high myope ... unless of course you want to settle for coke bottle glasses. Last year I "settled" for Nikon 4's because my Rx exceeded the maximum for Nikon 5's ... still cost me over $400 (not including frames). This year I'm going for zeiss (the 4's are too damn thick and the 5's are again out of the question) ... paying $650 for those (again not including frames). Add about $150 for frames (not brand name) and $100 for the eye exam ... grand total = ~ $900 (I won't even start on contact lenses + contact lens fitting fee ...). Sure it's my "fault" that I want the thinnest lenses possible ... but I think most high myopes understand.
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The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 06:26 GMT > > > But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay > > > $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > + contact lens fitting fee ...). Sure it's my "fault" that I want the > thinnest lenses possible ... but I think most high myopes understand. So these people have nothing you would find acceptable?
http://zennioptical.com/cart/home.php http://www.optical4less.com/index.cgi?mode=pnormal http://www.39dollarglasses.com/product_info/about_our_lenses.html
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silverblue001@hotmail.com - 06 Jun 2005 07:02 GMT > > > > But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay > > > > $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > To define recursion, we must first define recursion. Impossible to tell. I generally look for the smallest, roundest possible frames (that look good on me, of course). This year I spent five hours driving from optical store to optical store trying on frames before I found the right ones. Crazy? Yes. Necessary? Yes. Especially since I look horrible in most frames! I could never buy them over the internet, no matter what the cost. ;) I suppose I could find frames I like in a store and then search the internet for the same ones ... but that would probably take me another five hours. :D
The Real Bev - 06 Jun 2005 21:29 GMT > > > > > But you can buy your glasses for $5 each while us nearsighted have to pay > > > > > $120 a pair for our corrective lenses. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > before I found the right ones. Crazy? Yes. Necessary? Yes. > Especially since I look horrible in most frames! When I choose a frame I don't even look in the mirror until I have three that are acceptably comfortable at the minimum price ($59 including frames around here, +$20 for bifocals). I look better in ANY glasses, so I look in the mirror to make sure I haven't chosen something that looks really stupid.
> I could never buy > them over the internet, no matter what the cost. ;) I suppose I could > find frames I like in a store and then search the internet for the same > ones ... but that would probably take me another five hours. :D In general, I think that's cheating if you take up any of the brick+mortar person's time at all. I might buy super-light reading glasses from Zenni or one of the others, but only if I was willing to toss them because they hurt or prevent me from breathing through my 2mm nasal passages.
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AsianMale - 07 Jun 2005 00:14 GMT >I was willing to toss them because they hurt or >prevent me from breathing through my 2mm nasal >passages. I wish I had 2mm nostrils, instead I'm stuck with what this black girl called "a nigger nose".
DaveJohnson12@nomail. - 07 Jun 2005 00:51 GMT >> >Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say >> >myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >nearsighted will have to rub two sticks together a whole lot - - enjoy your >fire, you farsighted fockers!. My lenses cost $180 and that was at a discount 3 years ago. Most stores were selling them for $225 to $250. And they don't work too well either.
Stug - 07 Jun 2005 14:09 GMT "AsianMale" <youidiota@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117947034.886564.137170 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Do you ever go on all these alternatives to myopia websites that say > myopia makes your eyes get worse? They say that glasses make your eyes [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Does anyone know why they are? Why are you cross-posting this sh.t to a suicide methods newsgroup? Please kindly piss off.
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