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Medical Forum / General / Vision / June 200516 year old with thousand degree glasses contemplating suicide
As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to were around 5 feet. I received glasses when I was 7. I played computer games and all that, now I'm 16. I've removed the cloudy sticker from my windows. It was only when I tried to participate in sports teams that I realized how much trouble my glasses were to me. My contacts say 7.5 diopters left eye 9 diopters right eye. My glasses are way stronger. My mom says they are 1000 degrees. I wore them for a while and they were really hard to wear because when glasses are that high of diopters they are really hard to break in to. After reading all the things about myopia reversal I have started to wear weaker glasses. Thus the glasses I wear now are very weak and I have two pairs that are stronger. In school I have to walk up and sit on the floor if my seat is in the back. I have dropped these glasses a lot and when I look through them it is really annoying to see all these scrapes and cuts on the lense. I am the only 16 year old I know who has eyes this bad. It sucks. The part where the suicide thoughts come in is this. I've been coming to think that myopia reversal is impossible. People say that it takes years. I think this is unfair, that I had no control over how my vision became. No one told me about they eyes. The schools just said read read read. I think the schools are very evil that they tell us to study but yet they yell at us when we cannot see the board, when they were the ones who told us to read so much which made us get myopia. My parents' parents come from hong kong. I wish I lived in China where they make the children do eye exercises. Too bad this government isn't like that. I don't know what I'm going to do. I figure that these glasses will one day break, then I cannot get another one. I think it is illegal right? Does anyone know if it's possible to get another weak pair of glasses like the ones I'm wearing? Or if these break do I have to wear the really strong ones? I know that doctors prescribe prescriptions, and I don't think my parents have the old prescription. I don't know the prescription of these glasses. I don't even know if I should be wearing these old glasses. I don't see any improvement, and I've been wearing them for like 2 months or around there. I do not know what to do and am contemplating suicide because if I do wear those really strong glasses my eyes will get even worse and later on I will get macular degeneration, retinal detachment, glaucoma, or cataracts. I do not want to get these diseases. I do not want to wear the really strong glasses or contacts. The contacts hurt so much that I tense up my face and I force my eyes to bulge because of the pain. They bulge so much that my grandma called me ugly and that my eyes bulge. At least that's what I think she said. She said it in a language that I do not understand. I do not want any messages that say I am not ugly, or it doesn't matter how you look. Even if it is true, that is not why I'm posting this message. I want to know, which pair of glasses should I wear. On top of that many many many people call me ugly, my parents hint that I am unattractive, or just say it outright. I'm not being paranoid, I'm not being defensive. This is just my life. I live in San Francisco, and as you all can see, I have very little to live for. The best moments in my life have been online, playing Diablo 2 Expansion. Those were good times. I am the only person I know who wants to play that forever and ever. I do not want anyone to tell me that there is something to live for, because there is not. I cannot afford college, and if I could my transcript sucks, and also I wouldn't be able to see the blackboard. I seriously have nothing to live for, and may be jumping off the golden gate bridge onto concrete, only idiots go into the water. If I were to do that I would go head first and spread out my legs to maintain my body position. This wouldn't be so bad if I were a goodlooking girl, so I could just golddig men, but this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my thoughts are unstable. > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my > thoughts are unstable. play WoW and the good old times are back.  Signature------------------------------------------------ http://hackerboard.de - Support& Community > > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > ------------------------------------------------ > http://hackerboard.de - Support& Community my parents won't let me live here if all i do is play games. I have 56k. I'm not paying that monthly fee. heh well..heck im bored. i have poor eyesight, have worn glasses since kindergarten and i can remember the first day i wore glasses to school, or at least a small part of that day of sitting on the teachers lap her telling the class i wear glasses now. duh dont announce it lady. one boy who i was friends with raised his hand and told me his mother and aunt wear glasses too. anyway, my glasses are weak but thats because i dont have money for the eye drs, and i dont like going anyway. but ive worn very weak glasses for my eyes for almost two years and all i get are headaches, not improving eye sight, because as the two years have gone by, i see worse now. so i dont know if a dependency on glasses is a true theory, that glasses that are the right prescription make your eyes worse. i dont believe that, i think its just like the rest of your body that ages. but what do i know. your eyes will stop getting worse for a period, usually around 18-20, then it gets bad again for maybe a couple years, then you wont need a new rx, then a few years later you will, etc. anyway having glasses or not, really doesnt make such a big difference in your appearance imo. and as for going to college, you can go to a community college, no matter how bad your highschool has been. haha trust me, because that was me. and community colleges are very cheap, and if you get good grades there, you get a lot of help to transfer to a four year school if thats what you want to do. you've worn glasses ever since kindegarten? That's horrible. Maybe that means myopia is inherited? Is the reason why your vision is deteriorating because of close work or not enough distance vision practice? Or did you try all that? What do you mean you're eyes are getting worse? How bad are they and how old are you? My eyes are so bad I can't read a book normally at all. With these weak glasses on I need to put my head really close to the computer. So sci.med.vision has turned into a chat room for unhappy adolescent myopes? I think it's time for another sabatical... w.stacy, o.d. > you've worn glasses ever since kindegarten? That's horrible. Maybe > that means myopia is inherited? Is the reason why your vision is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bad I can't read a book normally at all. With these weak glasses on I > need to put my head really close to the computer. oops I see this is cross-posted to a suicide group. sorry. I'll be more careful next time. w.stacy, o.d. > So sci.med.vision has turned into a chat room for unhappy adolescent > myopes? I think it's time for another sabatical... > > w.stacy, o. d. Why don't you simply ignore this thread if you do not like it? This young person needs help, and you are heartless. I am glad that not all people are like you. I hope you do not practice as a doctor and have to deal with people. ~ vera ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~ ~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~ ~ http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper ~ ~ http://www.e-sword.net ~ >> you've worn glasses ever since kindegarten? That's horrible. Maybe >> that means myopia is inherited? Is the reason why your vision is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> bad I can't read a book normally at all. With these weak glasses on >> I need to put my head really close to the computer. a cross post. I answered her on the alt.suicide.holiday group. Anyone can go there to see my response. w.stacy, o.d. I am not a girl Vera. I am glad I'm not a girl because girls who are ugly are treated much worse than bad looking guys. I'm just saying from a guy's point of view, that if I were a really hot girl, my life would be a hell of a lot better. Not only am I an asian male who only speaks English, I'm also an anti-feminist, because there is no one I know that is as dumb as my bipolar mom. > I am not a girl Vera. I am glad I'm not a girl because girls who are > ugly are treated much worse than bad looking guys. I'm just saying > from a guy's point of view, that if I were a really hot girl, my life > would be a hell of a lot better. Not only am I an asian male who only > speaks English, I'm also an anti-feminist, because there is no one I > know that is as dumb as my bipolar mom. Sorry that I misinterpreted that. Maybe you should have added your first name that I could see you are male. I am sorry about your mom, and I know it is difficult to live with bi-polar people. Oh dear, so you have just said you decided to hate half of the population? How will you know what life is like for a hot looking girl? Be sure, they have their problems, too. I have found out that it does not matter much how things or people look like, but what is under the cover is what really matters, and how we deal with things and people. Peace, ~ vera ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Youidi, In general 10 "degrees" of myopia is stated as 10 diopters of myopia. A plus lens of 1 diopter has a focal length of 1 meter. There is a doctor in Hong Kong working on prevention with the plus -- to be started early into nearsighedness. He web site is: www.chinamyopia.org You might contact him for his advice. Best, Otis Engineerr > Dear Youidi, > You might contact him > for his advice. Dear Youidi, Please ignore Otis. He is not in the medical profession nor is he in any position to give you medical advice or medical referrals. Thank you! Allen no a degree is one hundreth of a diopter. Therefore a diopter is a hundred degrees. I saw it on a website saying that myopes 800 through 1300 degrees were cured by intacs. That's good, Otis. Real good. This young person has 10 diopters of myopia and you are referring them to a site on myopia prevention. Your myopia prevention ideas aren't worth the bytes they are printed on. Misguiding people into false hope isn't the way to go through life, Otis. DrG As cynical as Dr. Leukoma sounds, I have to agree. I MEAN COMMON. Do you think it's possible to reverse 9 years of wearing glasses non-stop all the time. I only know one other person with really bad eyes. And she thinks that going to sleep with your glasses on is an acheivement. That's why she's so bad. Now why am I so bad? Look even if it took 9 years to reverse the 9 years of damage, I don't know what I'm saying anymore... The point is, I'm not wearing these really strong glasses! Why do you say I am cynical, when Otis is clearly the cynic? He is deliberately using your tragic plight to make another grandstand about his so-called "prevention." Or perhaps you agree that false hope is better than no hope. Read on, and you will find just how cynical and remorseless Otis really is, and just how harmful his arguments can be. If you can find an effective way to shrink an eyeball, we would all love to hear it. There are much more effective ways of reducing the need for eyeglasses such as eye surgery or contact lenses. There are ways of obtaining them. Contact lenses aren't that expensive, my friend. I know of young people with higher prescriptions than yours, Asians, Indians, who lead happy and productive lives. Change the things you can change and let go of the rest. You cannot change the shape of your eye, but you can change your attitude about it. DrG DrG But yeah I mean, it's like... on all these sights they talk about reversing myopia for CHILDREN. Well, what am I, THE 10 DIOPTER PERSON supposed to do? Do they have any advice? > But yeah I mean, it's like... on all these sights they talk about > reversing myopia for CHILDREN. Well, what am I, THE 10 DIOPTER PERSON > supposed to do? Do they have any advice? Go here, NOW! http://www.feinermanvision.com/ Lemme know what you think of this. It is costly but what is money for? Doug you jerk, intacs will just make my eyes seem more bulging. And lasik? With my luck in life something will probably go wrong. Seven out of ten get injuries. Howard stern interviewed that lady from regus and kelly. She had 4 operations and the surgeon says that he will do surgery and then everything will be fine and then he says he has to operate again. Part of the reason why I hate glasses is how they made my left eye extrodinarily large and bulging. > you jerk, intacs will just make my eyes seem more bulging. And lasik? > With my luck in life something will probably go wrong. Seven out of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > operate again. Part of the reason why I hate glasses is how they made > my left eye extrodinarily large and bulging. Goodbye. Doug Do as Dr. G says. You cannot think your way out of myopia. It will not kill you. You need to grow up a little (16 is very young) and accept that you can be helped by contact lens or better fitting glasses. In a few years, you will have your own means of income and not have to rely on your parents. I started wearing glasses at 7 and ended up -10. You can and will live a full and productive life. I was not ugly either. > But yeah I mean, it's like... on all these sights they talk about > reversing myopia for CHILDREN. Well, what am I, THE 10 DIOPTER PERSON > supposed to do? Do they have any advice? Those sites are selling snake oil. There have always been snake oil salesmen. You should get to know other people who are -10 myopes. Why not start a NG for 10 diopter myopes? DrG > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my > thoughts are unstable. While I'm not an inspiration for stability, I know that you can order contact lenses online without a prescription. http://www.coastalcontacts.com/ is one site. Perhaps a different kind wouldn't hurt as much. I don't know about glasses. thanks i didn't really check out the site cus it's nighttime and i'm tired. I'm not sure what my prescription is though. Hey that other guy just said wearing weak glasses is pointless. Maybe the minute you start wearing glasses you're screwed. > thanks i didn't really check out the site cus it's nighttime and i'm > tired. I'm not sure what my prescription is though. Hey that other > guy just said wearing weak glasses is pointless. Maybe the minute you > start wearing glasses you're screwed. It'll be there if you want to check. What I did was get my contacts fit professionally, obtained my prescription, and then just ordered a year's supply online. It was a heck of a lot cheaper than buying straight from the optometrist. Customer service at that site told me that (in Canada) a prescription is not required to purchase contacts, but it is required to make returns or exchanges on unused contacts. Glasses are only intended for two I's. Sorry, but you do go on a bit about them, very much in the first person. This is me being insensitive but what's the fuss? The good thing is that technology in this field is always improving. In a few years, corrective surgery may be available for the most severe cases. Your optician should be able to advise you on lenses and glasses- tell him/her that you have irritation! > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my > thoughts are unstable. > Glasses are only intended for two I's. Sorry, but you do go on a bit > about them, very much in the first person. This is me being insensitive [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my > > thoughts are unstable. You wonder why I am worried about glasses? Lemme ask you, what is YOUR prescription and how bad are YOUR eyes? If they are nowhere above 6 diopters then you don't know how I feel. How would you like being in your house and when you take your glasses off and you misplace them. Then you can't find them and you get all scared. How would like being judged by other people, having bulging eyes, and them acting like it is your fault when it is not. How would you like to be highly at risk for glaucoma, macular degeneration, cataracts, or detached retina at 30 when you KNOW it was all preventable? Have you ever tried glasses on that are too strong? Why don't you try some really strong glasses on for a few hours and then you'll see what I mean. How would like being a little kid and them giving you glasses, and telling you that you look okay, that if you worry about your image, then there's something wrong with you, that you shouldn't worry about the way you look. This is exactly the opposite of the truth. We care about how we look. If we didn't care, then we would be attracted to the ugliest person and then have ugly kids, because looks don't matter. But we're not, we all strive for perfection, we want to look the best possible, and when you're asian, and you got a flat face, glasses will make you look much much worse. If you're white and have defined facial features, maybe you're okay, but if you're asian you're screwed. If I didn't wear glasses a lot less people would call me ugly. They act as if it's my fault I wanted to wear glasses. People say you should take responsibility for yourself. How do I take responsibility when the world is full of lies, and when you think you're taking responsibility for yourself by "studying hard" you're just making your life worse. How would you feel if you argued with your mom, and because she is bipolar and a women, she just tells you to "shut up" and to stop worring about this you can't change and to start worrying about things you can change. What if she doesn't even take responsibility for your myopia? What if when nudity is on a movie she puts her hand over your eyes? Thats like her wishing that you were temporarily blind when there is a nude scene? See how stupid women and our government and the optometric community is? And Christians, they suck too. Really, am I going to have myopia in hell? Really, is it God who made me blind? I must have done sins, when the only sin I did was being born into a house with no windows. Give me a F'ing break... >>Glasses are only intended for two I's. Sorry, but you do go on a bit >>about them, very much in the first person. This is me being insensitive [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > must have done sins, when the only sin I did was being born into a > house with no windows. Give me a F'ing break... I'm sorry you have all this anger, and you're right that I can't understand that level of shortsightedness but I'm sure your feelings are valid. It's kind of interesting that you talk so much about appearances being important because obviously appearances mean nothing here. The overall _image_ you give people is based partly on your appearance but also on your manner, attitude, actions and so on. There are heaps of good looking but totally conceited people and to many of us I'm sure they are the most repulsive. The nicer kind of people around find that the nature of a person is of far more importance than sheer appearance. I know it sounds like empty platitudes to you because your experience has so far revolved perhaps exclusively around bad luck. But it's true! Now, I can't see you're going to get a girl fancy you while you're still hating all women. Do you like girls as things to look at and nothing more? Sure, there are loads of silly, superficial, stupid girls (as there are boys) who seem to be abundant in the teenage years. But the more mature ones can make lovely company! Of course, the teenage years are frought with difficulty for many people but it usually just takes a bit of patience. Regardless of how you feel about yourself and people around you, you're young and everything about you has plenty of change to occur yet, appearance, demeanor and opinions. And in addition to that, I don't think you've given any reason why you'd have to wear glasses indefinitely. I'm sorry about the way you've been treated but it's in the past. Your mum has her own problems and IF she had anything to do with your condition she wasn't to know about it. Can you imagine what it's like for her to deal with bipolar as well as feeling helpless over your suffering? I bet she would even appreciate some support herself. And at the end, you've just got to move on man! You've been stewing about having no windows in your room for the last decade or more? You can't change it. It's too late to blame everyone. Falling back on that anger is like falling back on thin air. What are your goals and why would you let anything get in your way? > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > could just golddig men, but this is not the way it is. Please, I > need someone to respond, my thoughts are unstable. Hi (((((((Whateveryournameis)))))))), when I was 16 - which is long ago - I had the same proplem you are having now. No, I will not tell you it is no problem. I know it is a very big problem. I am short-sighted, too, and had to we glasses. But I tried the contacts, and I can tell you, the first week or two was a horror. But then after that my eyes got used to them, and I am still wearing contacts. How long have you tried to wear them? I know it hurts in the beginning, but it could really be worthwhile trying it again, just ignoring the pain and bad feeling, knowing what you will get. I think this would be the best solution there is. But I am also sure that you can get new light glasses. Maybe there is a possibility to repair the surface of yours??? You should simply ask the specialist. If you want to, I can also do some research in the Internet for you and try to find ways. Being short-sighted does not come from reading at school, by the way, but you are usually born with it - as far as I know. Did you know that surgeons can replace complete lenses in the eye, and that this is a rather simple surgery, as I have heard??? Would that be possible maybe? But one had to be very brave for a while. Did you also know that my diopters were reduced by 1, and I think by wearing contacs? But nobody can really tell you why. What is "Diabolo 2 Expansion"? A computer game? Some years ago I also liked to play computer games with my son. He will be 15 in August. Okay, the worst thing that might happen now is that you cannot continue to wear the glasses you are wearing now - is that right? I am sure that you can get new ones. I am sure there will be a way to get them if necessary. Maybe we could even try to have a collection for it here or on my website. I would start and give money for that, too. Maybe we could find a church and a priest in California who takes care of this collection. I am sure there is a way that people know that the right person will get the money. That is a problem, of course. Bye for now, Vera I suspect there are other things going on in your life that are causing your apparent depression. The wearing of glasses, for most of us with Rx's as strong as yours, is a good thing, not a bad thing. If you are unable to wear your spectacles because they don't improve your vision adequately (or possibly because they overcorrect your vision, equally uncomfortable) then you need to see your optometrist. Myopia reversal is so much bullshit. The quacks on the list who push their theories of "myopia reversal" and "self-treament of myopia" cannot produce any reputable studies to back up their claims and their supposed succes stories never do check in with testimonials and scientific documentation of their vision improvement. Find a mental health professional, have your spectacles Rx checked. Wooly "a progressive myope since age 3" Grrl +++++++++++++ Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET. This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... I don't believe myopia reversal is bullshit, I just believe that it is to late for me. I know someone who is now 20/15. He wore glasses in China and had been through 3 pairs. He lost it for 2 months and in that time his vision healed. He was around 10. 10 seems to be the age that you can heal 10 and below. Any age above that is probably going to take really long, like decades or something. I'm sure that people who have myopia that are low can heal it. But I've worn glasses 9 years straight. To "heal" seems impossible. Yes that is nine years straight without ever taking them off. I was afraid of the blur. Nowadays people's eye doctors tell them not to wear glasses in fear of making myopia worse. HOW COME LENSCRAFTERS NEVER TOLD ME THAT? You know I wouldn't mind being a low myope, but being a severe myope, and it's not even my fault, that's just depressing. And no I don't think anything else is causing my depression. Maybe because I am badlooking I am depressed because it will be harder to get a job or something, but I can assure you all of my problems are caused by myopia. They all go back to it. >Nowadays people's eye doctors tell them not to wear glasses in fear of >making myopia worse. HOW COME LENSCRAFTERS NEVER TOLD ME THAT? I don't know of any reputable opthalmologist or optometrist who subscribes to the theory that not wearing one's glasses will miraculously cause one's myopia to improve. It will, however, encourage premature wrinkling about the eyes from all the squinting required. My last Rx was for -975 and -625 so I'm not too sympathetic to your steep Rx. I wouldn't dream of getting out of bed without my spectacles, let alone trying to function outside the shower without them. I've been wearing spectacles for more than 30 years. I view them as a necessary appliance that allow me to enjoy a quality life. My retainer, which I wear to bed every night more than 20 years after my braces came off, is more of a pain in my a.s than my spectacles are. The fact that I wear spectacles has never been a burden, except in the few sports limitations I've had to adjust to over the years. I certainly never considered damaging myself merely because I wear spectacles. I really do think you've got other stuff going on and you're blaming your poor eyesight for whatever else is truly the core issue behind your depression. Have your Rx checked, have correct spectacles made, and decide to deal with your problems in a more mature fashion. I think you'll find you'll be perfectly able to function with some plastic bits on your face. +++++++++++++ Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET. This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... You can believe what you want to believe. Unfortunately, when one's beliefs do not correspond to physical reality, there is bound to be dissonance. Of course it is not your fault that you are myopic. In your case, it is genetic. You are what you are like a stone is a stone and water is water. There is nothing you could have done to change the outcome, and so do not keep blaming yourself, your parents, or Lenscrafters. You are a living organism, with a purpose, and you just have to figure out what that purpose is. In all probability, you are highly intelligent. Many myopes are. Because of their intelligence, they like to read, and there is an association between reading and myopia in susceptible individuals. Use your intelligence to figure out a pragmatic solution to your situation. DrG So it's normal to only be able to see 4 inches away from my face? That's genetic? If you ask me... Anyone with myopia that bad would have been elminated a long long time ago. Obviously no one can function with a maximum focal point of 4 inches. You cannot read a book with the book on the desk, because it's too blurry. The only thing I can do is read a book on a bed, which, ironically is how I got myopia in the first place, that, and... not having a window. Also, I have affirmed that almost everyone in 11th grade says that their doctor tells them not to wear glasses all the time or else it will get worse. These are the low myopes. There are some people, however, who wear glasses all the time. So why do some people wear glasses all the time and so people wear them not all the time? The answer? It all depends on what their doctor told them. And think about it anyway, if the doctors admit that too much glasses wearing is bad, then why won't they admit that a little glasses wearing is bad, and that any glasses use at all is bad. Glasses are, afterall, homeopathic. It all depends on what your doctor tells you. When you first get your glasses you say that it hurts and then they say, you'll get used to it. You take this on as a homework assignment and then you get used to it. Then you wear it all the time, because the doctor implied that you should be able to, if you work hard enough, by which I mean making your eyes working hard enough. I have never had a doctor tell me that wearing glasses all the time would be detrimental. I have never been that lucky. It seems like all the people with severe myopia wear glasses all the time, while the people with light myopia don't. Also, if glasses don't hurt the eyes, then what is that great pain caused by accomodation when you try them on? What exactly is happening there? > So it's normal to only be able to see 4 inches away from my face? > That's genetic? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ironically is how I got myopia in the first place, that, and... not > having a window. Funny how homo sapiens survived as a species. We're not particularly strong, we're not particularly fast, but we are clever. > Also, I have affirmed that almost everyone in 11th grade says that > their doctor tells them not to wear glasses all the time or else it > will get worse. These are the low myopes. There are some people, > however, who wear glasses all the time. Maybe most of the 11th graders in your class go to the same eccentric eye doctor. > So why do some people wear glasses all the time and so people wear them > not all the time? The answer? It all depends on what their doctor > told them. I've worn glasses all the time since age 7 years, and I read alot, too (or at least I did as a kid). I never got worse than -4.00. I am now -3.25. > And think about it anyway, if the doctors admit that too much glasses > wearing is bad, then why won't they admit that a little glasses wearing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > caused by accomodation when you try them on? What exactly is happening > there? I never had any pain from accommodation when I wore eyeglasses. Perhaps there is something wrong with your particular accommodative/convergence system. I seldom, if ever, hear that complaint from my patients. Now, it looks to me like you have cobbled together some anecdotal information combined with just plain bad information. If you would spend more time doing scientific research instead of internet surfing, I think you can begin to get the picture, which is that high myopia tends to be hereditary, and that reading makes some myopes worse at different rates. However, the conclusion from most scientists who make their careers out of studying this problem is that there is insufficient evidence about what causes myopia to warrant any change in the philosophy about prescribing eyeglasses. DrG >Now, it looks to me like you have cobbled together some anecdotal >information combined with just plain bad information. It seems to me as tho the kid has decided to blame his woes on his poor eyesight and his dislike of corrective lenses. If he can just "fix" his eyes every other problem in his life will miraculously disappear. Wooly with a freshly-laundered microfiber cleaning cloth +++++++++++++ Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET. This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... > Also, I have affirmed that almost everyone in 11th grade says that > their doctor tells them not to wear glasses all the time or else it > will get worse. Then they might all have the same doctor with antiquated views. These days, medical and optometry schools teach something different. > And think about it anyway, if the doctors admit that too much glasses > wearing is bad, then why won't they admit that a little glasses wearing > is bad, and that any glasses use at all is bad. Glasses are, afterall, > homeopathic. The problem is that we most conditions, we can't measure any different in the rates of deterioration between those who wear glasses and those who don't. > Also, if glasses don't hurt the eyes, then what is that great pain > caused by accomodation when you try them on? What exactly is happening > there? Nearsighted people don't have to accommodate so they get spoiled. -MT > > Also, I have affirmed that almost everyone in 11th grade says that > > their doctor tells them not to wear glasses all the time or else it [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > -MT Let me make this clear. It is not accomodative pain. But there is a great amount of pain associated with trying on glasses. There is more pain the stronger the glasses are. I'm just wondering, if they fully correct your eyes, then there should be no pain at all right? > Let me make this clear. It is not accomodative pain. But there is a > great amount of pain associated with trying on glasses. There is more > pain the stronger the glasses are. I'm just wondering, if they fully > correct your eyes, then there should be no pain at all right? Accommodation isn't the only thing that changes when you put glasses on, but it's the most likely explanation if you have several pair and they all hurt in progressive degrees. "Accommodative pain" can be as bad as a toothache. How is that different from your pain? Two questions. It's important to know if your temples are tight enough to leave a groove in your skin. And do you tend to see double when you relax with the glasses on? If not, accommodation is pretty much the only rational cause, other than emotional reactions. Otis Brown is a cruel man and he's worked his magic on you. The Chinese don't successfully "treat" myopia. So far they haven't published any successful techniques in the journals we get outside China. The Chinese (and Singaporeans and Japanese) have more myopia and so they have more motivation to find a treatment. But they still haven't found any special lenses that improve it, nor have they found those wearing glasses get more nearsighted than those who don't. It just doesn't happen. Instead, you'll find considerable excitement over a drug called pirenzepine, which *DOES* reliably slow myopia. It *DOESN'T* reverse it. If you could go back and start over, about the only thing you could do is avoid reading and writing. That *MIGHT* help. But you should ignore the flakes and read real articles written by real (PhD, OD, MD) researchers who don't sell glasses. The higher your myopia, the more likely it is genetic. -MT >The Chinese (and >Singaporeans and Japanese) have more myopia and so they have more motivation >to find a treatment. What a true statement! I am in Korea and boy these guys wear some thick glasses. Hereditary or they read a lot? However their life standards show me that it is probably not due to a lot of reading! SignaturePV2 Yasar, M U.S. ARMY AH-64D "Armt Dawg" A Co/602d ASB/2ID/EUSA - South Korea Wednesday, 01 Jun 2005 / 18:30:47 Korea Standard Time (+0900) > Also, I have affirmed that almost everyone in 11th grade says that > their doctor tells them not to wear glasses all the time or else it > will get worse. Next time I need vision advice, I'll seek out an 11th grader. No sense paying good money to see a doctor if I can get just as good advice for free. :-( > And think about it anyway, if the doctors admit that too much glasses > wearing is bad, then why won't they admit that a little glasses wearing > is bad, and that any glasses use at all is bad. Glasses are, afterall, > homeopathic. Salt is an essential nutrient. Too much salt is bad for you. Calories are an essential nutrient, too many calories are bad for you. Besides, I've never had a doctor say that too much wearing of glasses is harmful. > It all depends on what your doctor tells you. When you first get your > glasses you say that it hurts and then they say, you'll get used to it. I've never had glasses make my eyes hurt, and never met anybody else with that problem. That's not to say that it doesn't happen, but I don't believe it is usual. > I have never had a doctor tell me that wearing glasses all the time > would be detrimental. I have never been that lucky. It seems like all > the people with severe myopia wear glasses all the time, while the > people with light myopia don't. People with broken or otherwise damaged legs use crutches to get around. People with normal legs don't use crutches. Why not? SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net People with normal legs don't use crutches because they don't need them, yet. Don't use the crutch analogy on me. I believe eyesight is much more important than legs. Also, legs can heal, eyes cannot, eyes can only get worse. You say you never had glasses hurt your eyes, are you even nearsighted? You say you were highly myopic. So, when you put on glasses, you feel NOTHING? > People with normal legs don't use crutches because they don't need > them, yet. Don't use the crutch analogy on me. I believe eyesight is > much more important than legs. Also, legs can heal, eyes cannot, eyes > can only get worse. Eyesight is much more important than legs, I agree. However, glasses almost completely correct vision. Crutches are a poor substitute for having two good legs. Sometimes legs can heal. Some problems never heal and never can. How many times have you heard of a missing leg growing back? Doesn't happen. Also, eyes often get better. My myopia decreased when I got older. It was totally eliminated as a byproduct of cataract surgery. > You say you never had glasses hurt your eyes, are you even nearsighted? No, I am not nearsighted any more. I had surgery (see above). I was -10D and -12D at the worst. Glasses never hurt my eyes. > You say you were highly myopic. So, when you put on glasses, you feel > NOTHING? I felt no pain or physical pleasure. I was certainly happy that I could see with my glasses. The farthest away I could focus without glasses was about one inch. I could not even read without glasses, except by closing one eye and moving the book back and forth in front of the other eye. I wore glasses constantly, except for sleeping and bathing, for 35 years. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net It's nice to know that you can be myopic and still be successful Dan Abel. > Glasses are, afterall, > homeopathic. My dictionary says that homeopathy is a drug treatment. Glasses are not drugs. I don't understand what you are saying here. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net Do glasses not get you addicted? Think about it. Glasses are worse than any other drug in the world. If you mean addicted to clear vision, then yes, I agree. DrG I've been wearing glasses for more than 30 years. No spectacles-induced cancers or other health problems. I have, however, managed to avoid being hit by cars, managed to avoid falling into open manholes, managed to avoid hitting people while operating a vehicle. I can participate in team sports, individual sports. I can go out for my morning run confident that I'll see the curbs coming and adjust my stride to accomodate them. These are just a few of the health benefits of wearing spectacles that I've enjoyed On a cosmetic front, since I wear spectacles and enjoy clear vision I need not squint at things more than a few inches from my nose in order to see them. Not squinting has greatly reduced the development of crows'-feet wrinkles around my eyes. Prescription sunglass lenses in a pair of spectacle frames will greatly help in this as well. Shall I go on? I went to elementary school with kids who smoked; three of them were dead of lung cancer before they turned 35. The guy I didn't go to senior prom with (I turned up with strep that morning) got drunk after prom and drove into a phone pole at about 75mph. He and four of my good friends didn't make it home that night. The "chemist" I knew in college who fabricated the best LSD I ever had piled into a bridge abutment when he was tripping. He didn't go home either. The daughter of a friend of the family took one "taste" of crack at a party in 1996. She died of AIDS last year, which she probably contracted through needlesharing, or possibly through the prostitution she engaged in so that she could buy that next fix. None of the people I described above wore spectacles or contact lenses. What were you saying about glasses being a bad drug? >Do glasses not get you addicted? Think about it. Glasses are worse >than any other drug in the world. +++++++++++++ Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET. This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... > I've been wearing glasses for more than 30 years. No > spectacles-induced cancers or other health problems. I have, however, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. > Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... Wooly. You're stories of tragedies with drugs are very horrible, especially the AIDS one. But that just shows how great their lives were. They lived their golden years. Us with myopia don't have golden years. Today I just saw some guy in my Chinese class wearing glasses. I remember that he used to try on my glasses out of curiosity. My entire life has sucked feeling ugly in glasses, not being able to floss without grinning to keep the frames over my eyes, constantly pushing my glasses up, always having a bad time in school because I couldn't see the board because of staircase myopia. Although your stories of drugs-gone-wrong, glasses are still the worst drug in the world. Doctors prescribe glasses, but yet they are hesitant to prescribe marijuana. Negative lenses are drug that do not feel good. The doctor assumes no responsibility for any damage that they do to your eyes. There is no way to "break the habit" of wearing glasses "cold turkey". At least it is possible to stop doing all drugs. What's worse is that glasses are seen as a sign of intelligence, not as poison for the eyes. Glasses are highly addictive, costly, and impossible to break free from. Glasses are the most evil drug ever, they don't even feel good, they arn't cool, need I say more? There, I have proven you wrong. And don't tell me you can look at the ground with your glasses, your field of vision is severely limited. Don't be a fool. > My entire life has sucked feeling ugly in glasses, not being able to > floss without grinning to keep the frames over my eyes, constantly > pushing my glasses up, always having a bad time in school because I It's important to have frames that fit. I would suggest that you visit your optician and explain that your glasses won't stay up. If this can't be fixed, then get new frames. > couldn't see the board because of staircase myopia. There's no excuse for this. I don't know what state you are posting from, but here in California, it costs the state roughly US$5,000 per year for an elementary school education. Most states spend more, and I expect that high school is also more. I spend US$25.00 per lens. Your frames, once you get them adjusted or replaced, should last for years without replacement. Even if you get your lenses replaced every six months, that's US$100 per year, less than the cost of one fancy coffee per week. Don't throw away your education for lack of US$.50 per school day, a small fraction of what the state is paying for your education. Of course, if you are in a private school, the cost is certainly much more. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net >Although your stories of drugs-gone-wrong, glasses are still the worst >drug in the world. Doctors prescribe glasses, but yet they are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >There, I have proven you wrong. No, you've merely proven that your dislike of spectacles is at the root of your self-loathing. Good luck passing your DMV eye exam without your spectacles. >And don't tell me you can look at the ground with your glasses, your >field of vision is severely limited. Don't be a fool. I'll tell you any damned thing I please. My field of vision is excellent. My glasses are properly fitted and provide me with excellent vision in nearly 100% of my peripheral field. If I look down, there's the ground; if I look up, there's the sky complete with a bird, or a plane, or occasionally a jackass newscopter). Thanks to decrepitude I'm beginning to have some change-of-focus issues. Bifocals are going to suck... +++++++++++++ Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET. This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%. Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account... > Do glasses not get you addicted? Think about it. I've thought about it. I'm not addicted to my car, even though I drive it often. I'm not addicted to my newspapers, even though I read them often. I'm not addicted to my house, even though I've lived there for almost 30 years. I'm not addicted to glasses, even though I wear them every day (reading glasses now). SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net You're presbyopic? I thought you were myopic. If you are presbyopic and are 20/20 I respect you, but if you are myopic and declare that you are not addicted to concave lenses then that is a lie. You know it's true. Or maybe you're financially secure and maybe you really don't need glasses. How old are you and what is your Rx? > You're presbyopic? I thought you were myopic. A person may be both, which I was. I am now 55, and started presbyopia in my early 40s. I developed cataract in both eyes, and had surgery in both eyes to correct it. I was very myopic for most of my life, -10D and -12D at the worst. I wore glasses for 35 years, pretty much full time. I wore contacts for about 10 years after that. For most cataract surgery, myopia and hyperopia (but not astigmatism) can be corrected as a byproduct of the surgery. I am no longer myopic in either eye, and wear no distance correction. > If you are presbyopic > and are 20/20 I respect you, I guess that you aren't going to respect me, then. I had a retinal detachment in my right eye about 10 years ago, and have suffered a minor but permanent vision loss in that eye. I can only be corrected to 20/25 in the right eye, and that number is deceiving, since I don't see nearly as well with the right eye as with the left, even fully corrected. > but if you are myopic and declare that you > are not addicted to concave lenses then that is a lie. You know it's I simply didn't consider it to be an addiction. Glasses and contacts were tools that enabled me to live my life easier. Perhaps this is just a terminology issue. They were certainly very important to me. > true. Or maybe you're financially secure and maybe you really don't > need glasses. How old are you and what is your Rx? It doesn't matter whether you are financially secure or not. Someone with lots of money still wants to be able to see. What good is it to have the money to travel to exotic places (if that's what a person wants to do) if you can't see anything while you are there? I'm 55, and plano in both eyes, with 1.75D of astigmatism in the right eye, and a +2.00 add. Since the vision in my right eye is poor even when corrected, I seldom wear my toric contact lens in that eye. I need to get a third opinion from an OD. One OD said that correction would not help my vision. My OMD disagreed, and suggested that I see a different OD for another opinion. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net > know I wouldn't mind being a low myope, but being a severe myope, and > it's not even my fault, that's just depressing. > And no I don't think anything else is causing my depression. Maybe > because I am badlooking I am depressed because it will be harder to get > a job or something, but I can assure you all of my problems are caused > by myopia. They all go back to it. I don't have a lot of sympathy. I was a high myope myself for 35 years. You just put on your glasses (or contacts) and deal with it. The glasses are a hassle, but they almost fully correct the problem. I see people who have uncorrectable vision, who are missing a leg, or missing an arm. They have much more severe problems, but most of them lead fully functional lives. They compensate for their problems. You barely need to do any compensation for severe myopia. I know, I've been there. I've had cataract surgery in both eyes, and am no longer myopic at all. It's nice and it's convenient, but I'm still the same person, and still do the same things. Your problem is not with mypia, it is with your mind. You need to seek counseling to learn to live with what you were born with. For those people born without a leg, it wasn't their fault either. It *is* their responsibility to learn to live with it. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net Youidi, I noticed that you also recently posted a question about alternative methods of suicide, and more specifically, your thoughts about jumping off the Golden Gate bridge. Please, please, please talk to someone--a real live person, not just a faceless person on the Internet chat board--about these feelings. Please realize that the feelings of self-hatred and unhappiness and despair are COMPLETELY NORMAL for someone your age. Everyone goes through bad patches. But you are so young and you have no idea how much the future holds for you. You have so much to live for that you don't/can't even realize at this point in your life. Is there someone that you can talk to? A friend/counselor/teacher/family member? You f.cking idiot. You're email sounds like a girls. See this is why women are stupid. Look my problem is NOT NORMAL. I told you already, no one has SEVERE MYOPIA like me. It is very rare in San Francisco, and it is NOT NORMAL OKAY? I've went to a psychologist who is a women. Remember women are the idiots who tell us not to masturbate and look at porn and want us to be blind so we can't look at porn. Well I'm blind. Oh yeah and to all the teachers. Look I'm blind, now I can't cheat on tests and look at other people's papers who sit next to me. Now I have a limited field of vision. HAPPY NOW? Look it is very rare for someone to HAVE NO WINDOWS. My psychologist is a women who does not wear glasses. Maybe she had lasik. My couselor has presbyopia and might have had lasik but i don't think so. WHY ARE WOMEN GIVEN JOBS? Look if I tried to talk to her about glasses, she should say that I am depressed, that I have low self esteem, which is basically calling me ugly because only ugly people have low self esteem. WHAT? A woman would say that people should have high self image even if they are ugly, that looks don't matter, skin color doesn't matter. Did you know that my mom's skin tone is so dark people think she's philipino? Do you know I have the darkest skin in my class in 7th grade? And I'm from Hong Kong, not Africa. People who think looks don't matter are stupid. And they always have to be so vague. You say looks don't matter? CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? Excuse me but looks don't matter in ahem, which situations, jobs, relationships? Okay then go marry an ugly person on purpose. What'd you say? We're all equal? Yeah I'm sure we all have the same amount of money. Idiot. Second thing about women, when they talk they talk and only care about how they feel, not how you feel, so you could go to a psychologist and they will just call you ugly over and over again, I'm not kidding. Women suck. > As a child my windows had cloudy stickers on them similar to the color > of a plastic bag. So the farthest distance my eyes were exposed to [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > this is not the way it is. Please, I need someone to respond, my > thoughts are unstable. Dear one, I have asked my friend in California, and she had the following ideas that might help you: ========start quote====== "The Lyons Club donates glasses to people all the time. They have been doing it for years. I am sure there is a local chapter, perhaps many in San Francisco. They especially like to donate to children because they are the most needy. There are also solutions that you can put on the lenses that will remove the scratches, but everytime you wash the lenses you must reapply the solution. I have seen it advertised on HSN (home shopping network.) HSN.com might have it too. Who know, the Lyons club might even be able to do more, buy new glasses/contacts, or perhaps help with the needed surgery. It never hurts to ask and plead her case." ========end quote====== And she thinks that "beauty is not something we put on our eyes, it is what we put in our eyes. Beauty is more than make up, it is being useful, compassionate, understanding, loving, and loveable." I bet you have these things. She also gave me an ancient Chinese Proverb for you: If there is right in the soul, There will be beauty in the person. If there is beauty in the person, There will be harmony in the home. If there is harmony in the home, There will be order in the nation, If there is order in the nation, There will be peace in the world. (Ancient Chinese Proverb) Maybe that helps, but I know what it is like at the age of 16, too. So maybe the Lion's Club could be of help for you. Shall I find out for you if there is a chance? Peace, ~ vera ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So you're saying that because I do not have outer beauty, my soul is wrong? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? See what I mean when I say all these feminist things are so vague? "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Really? Then why are all the popular kids goodlooking? I mean common what the hell does that phrase mean? All I know is that it gives false hope to ugly people. And about the Lion's club, well, I don't even know my prescription and, so far, I still have these glasses, also I don't know if I can get a job with glasses this blurry, we will have to see. Time will tell my destiny. >So you're saying that because I do not have outer beauty, my soul is >wrong? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? See what I mean when I say all these [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >job with glasses this blurry, we will have to see. Time will tell my >destiny. You don't think you can get a job because you are myopic? Good grief man. How do you think the rest of the world copes? Many of your American peers will be fat... that's far more revolting to look at than a pair of glasses. Tom > So you're saying that because I do not have outer beauty, my soul is > wrong? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? See what I mean when I say all these [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > get a job with glasses this blurry, we will have to see. Time will > tell my destiny. Beauty is very relative. Have you watched that cyber movie - what was thast name - where the ugly guy married the ugly princess in the end... hey, I mean the movie with the donkey, you will know it. Was it an Ork? I have forgotten. Bad memory. The one with those ears - oh, you will surely know. Hm... who says that all popular kids are good-looking? YOU think they are, while others might think YOU are good-looking. What are "ugly" people? I really cannot say there are such people. I for my part have found out that it does not mean much to be good-looking. It is your mind and heart that is important. So and if you have to wear these glasses - why not simply stand behind it? You are not your glasses, are you? If people just see your glasses, they are not worth to be seen by you. Head up, and get a bulb. =O :-) Ask the others if they do not feel naked without glasses. Or try the contacts again, maybe a different sort. I am also sure that you could find out your prescription. Maybe you just go there where you got your glasses from and ask there. Hey, you are 16! Oh, but do not remind me... it was a terrible age for me. I always was in love and had heartache, because I fell in love with those who were not interested in me while others wanted to date me, but I did not want to go out with them... It was a terrible time, really. But it became better when I was a little older. Much better. Peace, ~ vera ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If beauty is so relative, then why does everyone call me ugly? Think about it, define popularity. Popularity is something that you want. If you see a member of the opposite sex that you want, but cannot get, they automatically become popular. You can look at a person and determine whether they are popular or not. Why don't you get an ugly girl and see how popular she becomes? The guys won't want to have anything to do with her. Also, the movie you're talking about, "Shrek", they looked like black people. Giant foreheads, giant noses. If you think about it black people are the ugliest people. Skin complexion represents about 50% of beauty. The rest is facial structure. Just face it, for some reason dark skin is ugly and looks like dirt. And why don't I wear contacts? I told you my grandma called me ugly in some language that I don't understand. And people say I look angry and call me ugly even when I wear contacts. In fact they make fun of me more, scoffing at the fact that I'm trying to improve my vision. Just today someone kept talking about my eyes, and how giant they are. Do you know what caused this? Glasses. That's right. And to wooly, wooly ... look there are some people who wear glasses and don't have severe myopia and are goodlooking. But most people are really ugly and put on glasses and get even uglier. I guess you could put me in this category. If I never wore glasses, I would look slightly better, I would save myself a lot of embarrassment from walking up to the board. Blah blah blah... I'm starting to think that glasses are a byproduct of civilization. It's not normal to have no windows, and then get glasses and make it worse infinitely. And no one except me sees this as a serious problem, while the rest of us don't give a damn. I just wish I could have gone back in time, and gave myself a chance to be 20/20. But only in China do they prevent myopia. I guess when nations are civilized and the public is uneducated about the eye, it is inevitable for them to prevent myopia. When eye doctors just want to make more money, it's disgusting. My question again is why the glasses hurt so much to break into... > If beauty is so relative, then why does everyone call me ugly? > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > money, it's disgusting. My question again is why the glasses hurt so > much to break into... OK. You say they prevent myopia in China? Well, what about his article: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Myopia is the most common physical deficiency in the Chinese school age children and youth. The incidence of myopia are 20.6%, 49.8%, and 65.0% in the primary school, junior middle school and senior middle school students, respectively. Moreover, the incidence of myopia still shows a generally rising tendency, especially in the school girls and especially among the rural populations. (e.g., it rose from 10.4% to 11.3% in the primary school boys and from 14.4% to 15.7% in the primary school girls, and it rose from 37.9% to 44.6%, and from 59.29% to 64% in the junior and senior middle school girls respectively, during the 1985-1995 period). The incidence of myopia is even as high as 76.74% in the college students, and has risen in the last ten years from 63.9% to 71.7% and from 67.2% to 77.6% in the males and females, respectively. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It doesn't look they are doing such a great job of preventing myopia in China. DrG > > If beauty is so relative, then why does everyone call me ugly? > > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > DrG Yeah but at least everyone has it. People understand in China. In fact so many people in China have it that they are starting to see that it is a problem. In America if you look ugly with glasses, people will treat you like you brought this upon yourself. They will ostracize you. > If beauty is so relative, then why does everyone call me ugly? Hey, that is a good sign. :-) > Think about it, define popularity. Popularity is something that you > want. If you see a member of the opposite sex that you want, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why don't you get an ugly girl and see how popular she becomes? The > guys won't want to have anything to do with her. Good for her. All these guys would only want to have to do with her because she is beautiful??? They would not ask about her soul. > Also, the movie you're talking about, "Shrek", they looked like black > people. Giant foreheads, giant noses. Shrek! Yes. That was the name I was looking for. I did not see any black people in them. Indeed, the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my life was black. I am not gay at all, but I stood there when she passed along, and simply wanted to tell her how beautiful she was. I have never seen such a beautiful woman again. But id does not say much about the happiness of people. Beautiful people can be very depressive, too. And, as you said, what is beauty anyway? > If you think about it black people are the ugliest people. Oh no! That is absolutely wrong to say - see above. > Skin > complexion represents about 50% of beauty. The rest is facial > structure. Just face it, for some reason dark skin is ugly and looks > like dirt. No, it does not. Why should western white people sunbathe all the time in summer just to get tanned if that was the case? > And why don't I wear contacts? I told you my grandma called me ugly > in some language that I don't understand. And people say I look > angry and call me ugly even when I wear contacts. In fact they make > fun of me more, scoffing at the fact that I'm trying to improve my > vision. Just today someone kept talking about my eyes, and how giant > they are. Do you know what caused this? Glasses. That's right. Oh really? I have always thought that glasses for short-sighted people make the eyes look much smaller, not bigger. :-) Hey, you must really have some special glasses there, right? > And to wooly, wooly ... look there are some people who wear glasses > and don't have severe myopia and are goodlooking. But most people are > really ugly and put on glasses and get even uglier. I guess you could > put me in this category. If I never wore glasses, I would look > slightly better, I would save myself a lot of embarrassment from > walking up to the board. Blah blah blah... So it is not the glasses, but how you feel in general? Be comforted, if people call you ugly, you are surely NOT! One does not tell people who one thinks to be ugly that they are. I think you might have a problem which most teenagers have. You just THINK you are ugly. And others agree - so you are not. :-) Look, that is me with glasses: 8-) or with contacts, you see: :-) But you say you look angry -> -> -> that's it, maybe. You do not like yourself, so you look angry. Others do not want much of you because of that, maybe. If you try to forget your glases for a week... maybe things change...???? Why not try it out? Just have a look at the other people and think how funny they look without glasses. Paint them some imaginary, and you might smile at them. Just watch what happens. I do not think you are ugly. Nonononono. You are only not self-conscious. > I'm starting to think that glasses are a byproduct of civilization. > It's not normal to have no windows, and then get glasses and make it > worse infinitely. And no one except me sees this as a serious > problem, while the rest of us don't give a damn. I just wish I could > have gone back in time, and gave myself a chance to be 20/20. Okay, but you can't, but you can look into the future where people will be able to operate such things easily. Everything will be fine one day, you will see. > But only in China do they prevent myopia. Why do you keep up yourself with things you cannot change? Why not see what you can really do to solve this problem??? You can do it. You are old enough. > I guess when nations are > civilized and the public is uneducated about the eye, it is inevitable > for them to prevent myopia. When eye doctors just want to make more > money, it's disgusting. My question again is why the glasses hurt so > much to break into... You see, everybody has a weak spot. Everybody. You can see badly, others may not feel good for other reasons. Have you ever thought of meeting other people who have myopia like you? Why do you not start a meeting with others? You could tell each other how very ugly you are. [No, you are a sweetheart, and surely not ugly. Best proof: They tell you! :-)] Peace, ~ vera ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There is no such thing as a soul. If there is I do not know why it would have chosen my vessel. Really? You really don't believe shrek looked like that guy from the green mile? Did that beautiful black women you saw happen to be Zora Neale Hurston? The women who wrote "How it feels to be Colored Me"? The one who brags that, unlike her fellow blacks, she has high self esteem, confidence, and happiness? The one who IMPLIES that she is not only equal to white people, but is superior to them? The one who wrote that essay, as if to say, "look at me, I'm black and I have self esteem, I don't know why other blacks arn't this way, I'm just better than them! What's their problem? Why can't you all be like me, I'm goodlooking AND black, therefore I have confidence! What is wrong with all you other niggers? Why can't you all be like me?" See white people DO spend more time outdoors, be it tanning or whatever. Maybe they are "sunning". What do us asians do, study? You are wrong again. Yes, glasses do make your eyes look smaller. But when you take them off they look very strange, something called "mole eyes". You will also notice some permanent damage caused by glasses making your cornea huge. Having any type of skin color of melanin whatsoever automatically makes your eyes look huge. I'm sorry I can't look into the future and hope for a time machine, I have myopia. Myopes do not look into the future, they look into the past. I told you why I look angry, the contacts are so strong, that my eyes have to strain a lot. Bulging my eyes seems to alleviate the pain slightly. Obviously you know nothing about this. I believe Lenscrafters has overprescribed me. That's the problem. I'm not old. I'm only 16. Did you ever read in To Kill a Mockingbird how the black maid didn't look as old as the white lawyer? That's because people with melanin always look old, they never look youngm while white people pass through the stages of age. People with skin tone already have the same deformed chins that old people have. Again the worst part is that I am very young, but yet my eyes are 4 times as worse as my teacher who is twice my age. Young, I am, in numbers, but physically I have many injuries that only old people have. *Many* people have high myopia. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Things could be a lot worse. Now maybe you really wrote this, and maybe you didn't. But if you did... > If you think about it black people are the ugliest people. Skin > complexion represents about 50% of beauty. The rest is facial > structure. Just face it, for some reason dark skin is ugly and looks > like dirt. So I was right the first time I read a post from you. You are nuts. Crazy. Lunatic. Psychotic. Give it up. Crawl back into alt.suicide.whatever and stay there. rot there. The rest of you guys on s.m.v.: stop cross posting to alt.whatever. You are polluting the environment. Go back and check all your posts to this group and see where else your posts have gone. Yuk. w.stacy, o.d. youidiota@yahoo.com wrote: >> If you think about it black people are the ugliest people. Skin >> complexion represents about 50% of beauty. The rest is facial >> structure. Just face it, for some reason dark skin is ugly and looks >> like dirt. This is so sad. I am a white guy who has faith in God and I get offended with racial slurs like this. Even teenagers should not talk like this unless they have some kind of messed up parents. I feel sorry for you kid, a lot of black brothers are serving with me FAR FROM their homes for the country, they might be different, but they are people, next time you watch a movie like Rush Hour with Chris Tucker in it, or Cosby Show reruns, slap yourself on the face! Furthermore, cut this crap on sci.med.vision! I don't want to read it! SignaturePV2 Yasar, M U.S. ARMY AH-64D "Armt Dawg" A Co/602d ASB/2ID/EUSA - South Korea Wednesday, 01 Jun 2005 / 18:37:47 Korea S |
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