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Shortage of Acuvue Advance Toric?

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Wooly - 29 Apr 2005 12:36 GMT
My ophthalmologist's practice has not yet received any trial lens
stock of these lenses, so can't begin prescribing them.  Is anyone
else out there on the B-list for trial lens supplies?
Dr. Leukoma - 29 Apr 2005 12:48 GMT
Actually, my rep stopped in yesterday fully expecting the box of trials
to have arrived.  Unfortunately for her, the box that did arrive was my
Purevision trial set.  Perhaps today?

DrG
LarryDoc - 29 Apr 2005 21:19 GMT
> My ophthalmologist's practice has not yet received any trial lens
> stock of these lenses, so can't begin prescribing them.  Is anyone
> else out there on the B-list for trial lens supplies?

Your doctor could always order trial lenses specifically for you
directly from the company or distributor.  We've been doing that as we
don't have the "official" trial lens set.  He/she certainly can
prescribe them without the trial set.

--LB, O.D.
Wooly - 29 Apr 2005 23:39 GMT
Poor choice of words on my part - he certainly CAN prescribe the
lenses without first seeing them on my eyeballs, but he's told me he
won't.  I have a history of difficulty with soft lenses and I
certainly won't buy boxes of the things without first having a pair to
live in for a couple of weeks, minimum.

And yes, he's ordered some lenses so that he can fit me.  They'll be
in next week.  Supposedly.  I'm not holding my breath.
retinula@hotmail.com - 30 Apr 2005 02:52 GMT
i've had my trial set for about 6 weeks.  it is incomplete compared to
most sets.  the product launch is rolling out slowly.  not all powers
and parameters will be available until late summer.

right now only minus powers from plano to -6 are available in 0.5
diopter steps.  available axes are only 90 and 180 +/- 20 degrees.

guess somehow i'm on the A-list
Dr. Leukoma - 30 Apr 2005 13:52 GMT
I've never been a high volume fitter of Acuvue brand lenses.  I guess
you can say they are on my "C" list.

DrG
RM - 01 May 2005 02:06 GMT
why?
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> I've never been a high volume fitter of Acuvue brand lenses.  I guess
> you can say they are on my "C" list.
>
> DrG
Dr. Leukoma - 01 May 2005 03:01 GMT
Why?  You are an optometrist, right?

The Acuvue lens is a hydrogel lens based on the Hydromarc lens crica
1980.  Since then, they have offered scant few technological
breakthroughs, notably:

Surevue
Acuvue bifocal
Acuvue toric

Of the above, the only successful product in my practice has been the
Surevue.  Because of its thickness, it works well with dry eye
patients.  Meanwhile, most of the managed care patients prefer Acuvue
because of its price-point, even though current research clearly
indicates the advantages of higher DK lenses (too expensive, I guess).

The Acuvue bifocal trial lens set continues to collect dust in my
office.

The Acuvue toric is being discontinued in favor of the Acuvue Advance
Toric, which has promise.  I continue to hold out hope that any company
with the resources of Vistakon can make a meaningful technological
contribution.

Vistakon is most notable for its marketing, which it does in spades.
This marketing creates consumer demand, which creates demand for me to
supply the product they are marketing.  It's back-asswards, IMHO.

However, my new rep is a real neat person, and I hold out the
possibility that she can be persuasive.

DrG
LarryDoc - 01 May 2005 04:26 GMT
I thought I might add some comment here, too.

> Why?  You are an optometrist, right?
>
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> This marketing creates consumer demand, which creates demand for me to
> supply the product they are marketing.  It's back-asswards, IMHO.

You would think that a global company with the resources of J&J would
come up some new and valuable contact lens technology.  But no. They
persist in marketing----a leader in forcing practitioners to buy in to
lens banks with trial sets priced at a premium just to be allowed to
have an account to order product for dispensing. At least they're trying
something new with Advance, while carefully marketing them in limited
parameters in limited markets with limited access to trial lenses so as
not to hurt their Acuvue sales ?

Meanwhile, I've long ago ceased dispensing "legacy" soft lens designs
and materials.

There have been a few, just a few new plastics in the three decades
since soft lens started.  Benz Research started the ball rolling with
their hioxifilcon material. BH came out with vasurfilcon (Precision) and
then came Biocompatible's omafilcon Proclear material. Even B&L came out
with their hilafilcon and alphafilcon materials, and now, of course,
their silicone-hydrogel Purevision, but even so while persisting to
market their polymacon lenses. Talk about ancient technology! Polymacon:
the lowest permeability lens on the market.

And most everyone else kept on with the 1970's-80's plastics which in
2005 is absurd. IMHO, those lenses have no application anymore.  And I
think that in the next couple of years silicone-hydrogel will replace
all of that, at least for professional dispensing.  The rest being
relegated to mail-order and discount sellers. Perhaps advanced
copolymers based on the newer plastics will still be around for short
term daily wear and daily disposable use, a reasonable application. But
if the contact lens industry is going to persist, it's going to be with
high quality, precision optics in a healthy, deposit resistant
user-friendly material. Why in the world would you want to mess around
with anything short of that?

So then there's the question of: what's holding back a major marketing
shift to high oxygen permeable quality lenses?  If you're a conspiracy
believer, think LASIK/refractive surgery. That market is about done, at
least around here, and anyone left who is interested is far more likely
to go with a contact lens that can stay in their eyes for week or two or
four.  B&L makes LASIK machines, home of the smart-card cash cow. Do you
think they're going to come out with Purevision in a full range of
parameters including multifocals anytime soon? Could they? You bet, like
instantly. And what's with Ciba/Novartis sitting on limiting O2Optix to
low power myopes and the more expensive N&D in a more expanded but still
seriously incomplete parameters?

I guess as long as the big manufactures are successful pushing their
lenses through multiple dispensers, like 1-800, Costco, etc, why do
anything different?

My two cents.

LB, O.D.
Dr. Leukoma - 01 May 2005 04:43 GMT
Well, B&L is doing better with its contact lens division than its laser
division, which actually showed a decline, despite the fact that their
laser is highly touted.

With respect to parameters, Purevision is available from +6 to -12, a
wider range than Focus N&D.

I have hope that the contact lens industry will continue to meet the
challenges, considering what is at stake.  However, it behooves me and
you to keep the pressure on.

DrG
 
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