Medical Forum / General / Vision / April 2005
Clearing pseudo-myopia of -1.5 diopters (20/60) to 20/20
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otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Apr 2005 21:20 GMT Dear Prevention minded friends,
Subject: Passing 20/20 -- no problem! Jon
Please rememver, science and medicine is NEVER a "finished business". New cocenpts and scientific facts must be introduced. The "traditional" method of the minus lens was put in place 400 years ago -- and has not changed one iota since then.
The following approach is supported by SOME ODs, and opposed by others -- of that truth their is no doubt.
Specifically, the following approach is supported by Steve Leung, and you can review his commentary at:
www.chinamyopia.org
Since these issues have NEVER been resolved -- is it a person's right to be duly informed, and pursue the PREVENTIVE method of the plus lens. People should not get "hot" about these discussions, but should understand this as a "learning" process.
This is the basis of the following report of vision clearing -- as an HONEST second-opinion.
The "majority opinion" insists that this "can't happen", and that the concept that the natural eye -- as dynamic -- must be destroyed. (Jan-OD)
As always, enjoy these pleasant conversations about the proven dynamic behavior of the natural eye.
Best,
Otis Engineer
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Jon contacted me about eleven months ago and asked if I could help him. He said his vision was 20/60 and -1.5 diopter (prescription). I asked about his examination. He said he passed all medical tests, but the OD said he could not read the 20/50, line and that it took a -1.5 diopter lens to "clear" to 20/20.
I asked him to read his eye-chart. He did, and reported about 20/60. I explained to him that since he was 13, there were no "legal" (driver-license) requirements on him, and he could "get along" without any minus. If there were a requirment that he real the "board" then he should use his -1.5 dipoter lens for that purpose -- but remove them when not necessary. I asked him to NOT wear the minus at any other time -- as a first step. He took me seriously.
I asked him to read my FREE book on www.i-see.org. He did. I asked him to down-load an eye chart from that site.
I explained that "results" could not be guarnteed -- and would take a considerable amount of time.
Once he "accepted" that he PERSONALLY would have to be in COMPLETE control. He chose to take the next step.
The proceedure was to obtain a "plus" lens as strong a possible, consistent with his "reading" distance.
This means "pushing print" to the point of "just blur" and reading at that point -- checking every 10 minutes or so to make certain you have not pulled the work in closer. The point of this work is to keep the book at "optical infinity".
Furhter, as an option, I asked him to obtain a "weak" plus of about 1.5 diopters -- to be worn as soon as you get up -- and around the house most of the time.
Obviously this is not "child's play", and will turn most people "off" before they even start. It was a matter of his personal resolve -- to see if he could accomplish the same result that Dr. Stirling Colgate did. Jon accepted this self-dicipline.
The purpose of this work is to "optically" move you eyes "out of the house". This is equivalent to moving "outdoors" and living there -- all the time.
Vision clearing is indeed a slow process, clearing at about +3/4 diopters per year -- if you work this effort consistently.
His first success was passing the 20/40 line. That meant that he could PASS the DMV-Snellen, and avoid being sent to an OD -- for an over-prescribed minus lens.
He continued with the plus but "hung" at 20/25 for about 6 weeks. Most people would have quit -- he kept on goint with his effort.
Finally, 20/20 began to "come in". This process is a matter of two-steps forward, and one step back. A real test of your fortitude -- in the face of adversity.
Today he is a 20/20. When he enters college, he knows the "down" rate (for the un-protected eye) is about -1.3 dipters in four years.
He is well-aware of the consequences of this behavior of the natural eye. Knowledge of these basis scientific facts simply means that he must monitors his eye chart, and when he starts reading 20/25, he simply restarts the "preventive" process -- which he knows he has successfuly used.
Once you have done this successfully, there will be no doubt that:
1. It works.
2. And is necessary.
3. And the consequences to YOU if you refuse to do it -- when you enter a four year college.
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To: Jon
Subject: Reporting current 20/20 status.
Dear Jon
Jon > My vison is slowly improving each day. To give you an idea of how well i can see things now, when I'm in class and the teacher puts soemthing up on the overhead to copy or read and she turns off the lights, then about a handfull of peolpe will say, "miss, can you make it bigger?" However I can read it fairly well. In otherwords, my vision is about the same, or a little better than the few kids in the class who dont wear glasses, but still have truoble reading tiny print.
Otis> While comparison of other "normal" 20/20 people is important for your own confidence, ultimately, you must measure objectively, only with your own eye chart. I also wish there was a low-cost trial lens kit (with a 3/4 astigmatism lens) so you could do ALL measurements as a excellent scientist and engineer.
Jon > Using the plus lens to improve me vison is one of the greatest achivements of my life. I have never done something this big before, and I'm so happy i chose the second opinion.
Otis> Given all the "talking" I have done with a great mass of people -- you are right. As before, I know of only a handfull of people who have been willing to carry this work forward to complete 20/20. That puts you in a "class" with Stirling Colgate, and suggests you will have his scientific or engineering future.
Jon > In my left eye I must have a fair amount of astigmatism, because i really notice it now, For example, If i draw a right angle 90 degrees on a pice of paper, which has to lines, and put it on a bit of a slant sideways, one line is extremely sharp, while the other line is very blurry.
Otis> Entirely possible. The U.S. Airforce allows for 1 diopter of astigmatism with no glasses -- no problem -- as long as the pilot passes 20/20. THIS IS COMPLETELY NORMAL. While one eye might have this degree of astigmatism, the two eyes "over-lay" the two images, and the mind "takes out" the effect of any astigmatism. The natural eye is not "perfect" as many will insist. It does have these "imperfections" that should be understood -- but with not excessive concern. More to learn here.
Jon > In order to see the blurry line clearly, I must bring it much closer to my face. When i do this I have my plus lenses on, I also must allow my eyes to go "lazy" in order to look at the image through just one eye, my left eye. However, I dont notice this with my right eye because my right eye has no astigmatism, do you know why only one eye has the astigmatism?
Otis> As before, we should "design" a low-cost trial lens kit (frame) with a -3/4 diopter cylinder lens, which could be rotated from zero to 180 degrees. The angle that gives you "clearest" vision on the 20/20 chart becomes your measurement of "objective" astigmatism. As an engineer-scientist you should make this measurement.
Jon > Passing 20/20 no problem!
Otis> Our orginal goal was for you to:
1. Legally get rid of your -1.5 diopter lens and 20/60 vision.
2. To do that -- use the plus and pass the legal visual requirement of 20/40 -- which you did.
3. Continue to work to 20/20 -- and learn a great deal more from this process.
Otis> This complete process is applied science as far as I am concerned -- and you have proven yourself very capable in this process of vision clearing to 20/20.
Best,
Otis
Jon
William Stacy - 19 Apr 2005 21:46 GMT >The "majority opinion" insists that this "can't happen", >and that the concept that the natural eye -- as dynamic -- must >be destroyed. (Jan-OD) > > Actually, the majority of optometrists probably have tried to "push the plus" on myopes at one time or another in their career, I know I have. Most have found that it gives poor and unpredictable (if any) results. We don't have to destroy any concept; the thing is dying a natural death on its own.
w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Apr 2005 05:37 GMT Dear William, As I have suggested a number of times -- the success depends on the "understanding" of the person concerned with the issues -- Jon, in this instance.
The major point is that "Jon" figured out what HE WANTED in his life, and understood that you could never "prescribe" the type of motivation "vision clearing" really takes.
It is simply not part of anything you are doing -- or will be doing in the future -- unless with your own grandchildren.
For this reason, I suggest that the ODs who are interested in helping children with the "preventive" method be provided with a DISCUSSION of this possibility. Obviously you are not going to do this -- which is why I describe your approach at the "majority opinion".
However, Steve Leung judges that the studies by Francis Young are convincing -- and that he is going to have his own children wearing the plus -- when their refractive state is close to zero.
This is the reason I describe this "preventive" method as the second opinion -- since, to be effective, it must be used BEFORE a minus lens is applied.
It is also true that most people -- even offered the preventive method -- might choose the minus lens, with full knowledge of the consequences. That would be a fair an honest discussion.
It is also clear that this preventive method is low-cost. The eye-charts are free, and the slection of plus lenses are available over-the-counter.
And, most important -- it is essential that the person who wishes to "work" this process actually read his own eye chart. Assuming he has the motivation (a major problem) and will "stick" with it, then eventually he can see his vision clear -- very slowly.
I would agree that this is the reason why you have not had "success" with it.
Most people expect ONLY very-sharp vision from you -- and would get upset if you attempted to do anyting else. That does "limit" you, and defines the difference between true-prevention, and the work that you are doing.
Enjoy,
Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 20 Apr 2005 10:46 GMT Actually, Otis, what you are preaching is not so much a method, but a LIFESTYLE based on FAITH, as there is little of scant scientific evidence that it works in homosapien. Furthermore, this LIFESTYLE is based on total disbelief in and avoidance of minus lenses, which you deem to be "poison." I am certain that some people will be willing to believe you, just as they believe that fluoridation is a communist plot. A more moderate view, and one that would likely be more productive, would be to advocate relaxation methods and to advocate for reducing or minimizing the time spent by young children on nearpoint activities that are non-essential to academics. Calling minus lenses "poison," and labeling the scientific community as simply the "majority opinion," is rather farcical and has justifiably earned you the enmity of many people.
DrG
Jan - 19 Apr 2005 21:54 GMT Major snip in a bunch of an ever repeating blablabla..............
> The "majority opinion" insists that this "can't happen", > and that the concept that the natural eye -- as dynamic -- must > be destroyed. (Jan-OD) > > As always, enjoy these pleasant conversations > about the proven dynamic behavior of the natural eye. As always, Otis is telling big lies, what I realy stated is shown below. I suppose your eyes Otis, are far more dynamic than obviously your brains are. And Otis, I never liked your lies and certainly I'm not enjoying your laymans ''one direction'' conversations, I rather should call them unpleasant ''monologue's''
 Signature Free to Marcus Porcius Cato: ''Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"
In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
Dr. Leukoma - 20 Apr 2005 02:45 GMT Just look at this piece of work. Are you writing a master's thesis or what? Spend some more quality time with the grandkids. Abandon this kind of nonsense.
DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT Dear DrG,
It is precisely because of your lack of convern for PREVENTION for our grandchildren -- that I AM CONCERNED with your attitude.
All parents should have some knowledge of this second opinion before you put their children in a minus lens.
But you are not going to do that are you?
They do have certain basic rights, the right to an informed, competent second opinion as described by Steve Leung,
www.chinamyopia.org
Nothing is lost if they turn down prevention with the plus -- except for their long-term distant vision -- permanently.
This, and the "blasts" against preveniton convinced "Jon" of your incredible intellectual blindness towards true-prevention -- and forced him to take personal reponsibility himself -- so he would not become a victim of this "syistem".
Best,
Otis
Mike Tyner - 20 Apr 2005 17:47 GMT > All parents should have some knowledge of this second opinion > before you put their children in a minus lens. We're concerned too. All you have to do is point us to a reference that shows neutralizing minus causes any change in humans.
> But you are not going to do that are you? Every published comparison in humans shows minus has negligible effects.
> They do have certain basic rights, the right to > an informed, competent second opinion as described > by Steve Leung, So Dr. Leung has published a comparison showing the "poison" effect of minus?
> Nothing is lost if they turn down prevention with the > plus -- except for their long-term distant vision -- permanently. Just as parents of cancer patients should be informed about the beneficial effects of peach pits.
> This, and the "blasts" against preveniton convinced "Jon" of > your incredible intellectual blindness towards true-prevention -- and > forced him to take personal reponsibility himself -- so > he would not become a victim of this "syistem". Bluster and rhetoric, contradicted by published results.
-MT
Dr. Leukoma - 20 Apr 2005 19:32 GMT I see charlatans peddling snake oil in the guise of PREVENTION and self-righteous "concern over our grandchildren." Now, that is something to be concerned about. Little children walking around in over-the-counter plus lenses trying to "clear" their vision with little chance for improvement is a most cynical kind of exploitation. Better stick to pilots. At least they are adults and are responsible for their own decisions.
On the other hand, when I talk about prevention, I talk about treatments that are at least 50% effective. Now, that is something to be excited about.
DrG
Dan Abel - 20 Apr 2005 23:13 GMT > Dear DrG,
> All parents should have some knowledge of this second opinion > before you put their children in a minus lens. > > But you are not going to do that are you? Of course he isn't going to give them advice that he thinks is wrong. He's not going to give the third opinion either, about staring at the sun. He's not going to give the fourth opinion either, about curing myopia with vitamins.
 Signature Dan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net
William Stacy - 20 Apr 2005 23:52 GMT or the 5th, put them in pinhole glasses...
or the 6th, sell them a Bates reprint...
or the 7th, have them squish their eyes straight by palming...
etc. etc. boy has this n.g. deteriorated since the 90's...
w.stacy, o.d.
> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Neil Brooks - 20 Apr 2005 23:59 GMT >boy has this n.g. deteriorated since the 90's... IIRC, back in the day, it was just Alex Eulenberg.
Apparently, cloning has met with some success . . . though I think Alex was a far more credible contributor, agree with him or not.
Mike Tyner - 21 Apr 2005 00:04 GMT > Apparently, cloning has met with some success . . . though > I think Alex was a far more credible contributor, agree with > him or not. Anybody remember Ray Chambers?
-MT
William Stacy - 21 Apr 2005 00:26 GMT I remember both ray and alex. Both a bit nutty, but both contributed a lot of critical thinking. Ahh the good old days...
anyone care to comment on my newest bit of blatant commercialism???:
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http://www.folsomeye.com
(just got this running today; comments appreciated)
w.stacy, o.d.
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