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Medical Forum / General / Vision / April 2005Good vision but eye strain
Hello, I am 21 years old and have good vision (I have recently consulted an eye-doctor who ran several tests) - I do not require glasses. The problem is that I almost immediately experience eye strain when I sit in front of a computer screen (although I have a very high-quality, high-contrast / high-resolution LCD monitor). My siblings experience the same phenomenon - they also have good vision and do not wear glasses. I regularly (approx. every hour) do eye exercises to relieve the discomfort, but it never completely vanishes and becomes stronger during the day. When I watch TV for several hours before going to sleep, the eye strain remains until the next morning, even though my eyes have had 8+ hours to relax. Although it is not a serious problem, it greatly affects my professional life (I am a software developer) - it becomes less and less fun to spend time in front of computers. I do not require any medication, do a lot of sports and eat very healthy - and ran out of ideas. Any suggestions? Thanks, -Andreas >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Any suggestions? Short answer? You may be suffering from accommodative strain from the protracted near work. Did the eye doctor perform a "cycloplegic refraction." In other words, did he dilate your eyes before checking your prescription? It's quite possible that you're slightly farsighted, but not enough to notice with most tasks because your focusing mechanism readily compensates. Long-term computer use is a visually demanding task. Perhaps you need just a little help. Since you say that you were evaluated by an eye doctor to rule out any medical issues or other clear pathologies, you may want to consider finding a pair of over-the-counter +1.00d reading glasses and using them for your near (computer) work for a week or so. If you notice any benefit, I'd stay with them for all close work. You should probably also try using simple, lubricating eyedrops during the day. Most computer users decrease the rate at which they blink, increasing dry eye symptoms. Best of luck, Neil Thanks for your quick answer, Neil. Yes, he dilated my eyes before examining them. He was completely clueless, mentioned I was very slightly far-sighted but ruled out that it might be the cause of my problems. I already use eye-drops and they seem to have a light effect, will use them for a number of weeks to see if they really improve the situation. I once directed a video camera at my face while I was working to see if I was properly blinking - and I was. I'll get over-the-counter reading glasses, thanks for the suggestion. Does +1.00d allow my eyes to focus far while watching near objects, thereby decrease muscle work/tension and eye strain? I've never used glasses. -Andreas >>Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Best of luck, > Neil >Yes, he dilated my eyes before examining them. He was completely clueless, >mentioned I was very slightly far-sighted but ruled out that it might be the >cause of my problems. I think we're on to something ;-) >I already use eye-drops and they seem to have a light effect, will use them >for a number of weeks to see if they really improve the situation. I once >directed a video camera at my face while I was working to see if I was >properly blinking - and I was. Off topic, but I wouldn't show that video at dinner parties.... >I'll get over-the-counter reading glasses, thanks for the suggestion. Does >+1.00d allow my eyes to focus far while watching near objects, thereby >decrease muscle work/tension and eye strain? If I'm understanding your question correctly, then the answer is effectively, yes. Technically, the glasses will refract the light entering the eye, so that light falls *on*, instead of *behind* your retina. Pretty basic stuff, but here are a couple of links to help you understand a bit more about farsightedness (hyperopia): http://www.aoa.org/conditions/hyperopia.asp http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/hyperopia.htm http://www.kellogg.umich.edu/patientcare/conditions/hyperopia.html http://www.medindia.net/Patients/PatientInfo/hyperopia.asp >I've never used glasses. Welcome to the club. The good news? Not only are there very, very stylish frames these days but--if you don't see anything you like over-the-counter--it's likely that an optometrist would prescribe reading glasses for you, allowing you to have them made in a multitude of styles. Most of the top-name sunglass manufacturers can make prescription glasses with their frames. Let us know how this all turns out. Neil > >Yes, he dilated my eyes before examining them. He was completely clueless, > >mentioned I was very slightly far-sighted but ruled out that it might be the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Most of the top-name sunglass manufacturers can make prescription > glasses with their frames. And at the other end of the price spectrum, the reading glasses sold at 99-Cents-Only stores are perfectly fine. Although lack of pain is the major factor in my choice of frames, the appearance of most of the cheapies is perfectly fine too.  SignatureCheers, Bev *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* It is just a bicycle. It is not dedication and bugs in your teeth and dust and rain and mud. It is not madness and harmony and glory and rhythm. It is not muscle and flesh and sweat and lycra and wind. It is just a bicycle. -- Bianchi *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Hi Neil, Second day of computer-related work with + 1.00 over-the-counter reading glasses. The pain I experienced is completely gone. While I previously had to do exercises every 60 minutes to relax my eyes, I can now (I'm not saying I should) work for several hours without feeling any of the symptoms I previously experienced. Thank you so much for your suggestion. Seems computer-related work is so intensive for the eyes even the slightest problems cause serious effects. -Andreas >>Yes, he dilated my eyes before examining them. He was completely clueless, >>mentioned I was very slightly far-sighted but ruled out that it might be [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Neil > Thank you so much for your suggestion. Seems computer-related work is so > intensive for the eyes even the slightest problems cause serious effects. How is your vision for near after you remove the glasses? >> Thank you so much for your suggestion. Seems computer-related work is >so >> intensive for the eyes even the slightest problems cause serious >effects. > >How is your vision for near after you remove the glasses? He's slightly farsighted, Rishi (look it up). I bet it's just a touch blurry. > >How is your vision for near after you remove the glasses? > > He's slightly farsighted, Rishi (look it up). I bet it's just a touch > blurry. You don't understand, HOW IS HIS VISION AFTER HE REMOVES THE EYEGLASSES IN RELATION TO THE VISION HE HAD BEFORE USING THEM. You speak as a learned man, but in fact you know practically nothing. MY BET (for ther record): in a month's time, the fellow will change the glasses for +2. >You speak as a learned man, but in fact you know practically nothing. Again, that's dramatically better than you who knows only what's wrong and has the potential to hurt. Ho unito i numeri di gente che si è avvicinata sia al vostro Internet Service Provider che alle autorità italiane per portarla appena che cosa meritate. Augurimi la fortuna! > Ho unito i numeri di gente che si è avvicinata sia al vostro Internet > Service Provider che alle autorità italiane per portarla appena che > cosa meritate. Augurimi la fortuna! What??? >> Ho unito i numeri di gente che si è avvicinata sia al vostro >Internet >> Service Provider che alle autorità italiane per portarla appena che >> cosa meritate. Augurimi la fortuna! > >What??? Basically, I have joined the ranks of the people who are pursuing recourse against you, both with your ISP and with the Italian authorities. Let's see how far I can get this. Awaiting your comments regarding Il Duce.... > Basically, I have joined the ranks of the people who are pursuing > recourse against you, both with your ISP and with the Italian > authorities. Let's see, I am happy if this goes to court because I will win, if the judge will be an unbiased and perfect sighted man. Later I will post the link of the Garante. By the way, where is Francine? > Thanks for your quick answer, Neil. Quick answer? Which answer??? > Yes, he dilated my eyes before examining them. He was completely clueless, > mentioned I was very slightly far-sighted but ruled out that it might be the > cause of my problems. CLUELESS, that's the true word for it, they are clueless!!! > I already use eye-drops and they seem to have a light effect, will use them > for a number of weeks to see if they really improve the situation. I once > directed a video camera at my face while I was working to see if I was > properly blinking - and I was. Have you tried to look at the sun? Start at dawn, look at it only for 5 or 10 seconds. Then repeat at sunset. > I'll get over-the-counter reading glasses, thanks for the suggestion. Does > +1.00d allow my eyes to focus far while watching near objects, thereby > decrease muscle work/tension and eye strain? This is wrong and I suggest you to avoid this. > I've never used glasses. This is good, you should continue without glasses. >> Thanks for your quick answer, Neil. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >This is good, you should continue without glasses. I don't think I need to give you the usual caveats about this person.... Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, we assume, or a mother who used crack cocaine excessively while pregnant. Sad, really. The Internet is all he has left. We humor him because we feel sorry for him. >>Have you tried to look at the sun? >>Start at dawn, look at it only for 5 or 10 seconds. >>Then repeat at sunset. Silly advice from a silly astrologist who dabbles in eyecare: For an example: http://www.astrologiadinamica.it/articoli/venereSpara/philosophical.html http://www.astrologiadinamica.it/articoli/venereSpara/philosophical.html Wonderful article, the poor boy has been just ejected from the army and is in damaged psychic condition, exactly like I have tried to convey in the article. Four years have passed, I was correct 100%, like I am most of the time. For example, you are an idiot, 100% accuracy in this statement! > Sad, really. The Internet is all he has left. We humor him because > we feel sorry for him. If you had perfect sight and the ability to look at the sun at will and libitum, I may take seriously what you say, but since you are suffering from imperfect sight since your very childhood and it seems you continue to choose to suffer, what value has your opinion? I think you are a stupid man. What are you doing? You continue to trust these ugly doctors, which are clueless (and I am not saying this, the readers and posters on this board say this again and again!), just to get some silly consolations for your misfortunes! Why don't you try to do something positive for your own health? Paths are many. Some are very much effective. Why don't you try? What is preventing you? Your stupidity you can drop. Why not??? >> Sad, really. The Internet is all he has left. We humor him because >> we feel sorry for him. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Why not??? Well . . . well . . . gee, Rishi . . . the honest truth is: I *might just try* what you suggest, but the messenger (that's you) is just so foul, vile, distasteful, appalling, repulsive, repugnant, offensive, disturbed, psychotic, insulting, rude, uncivilized, ignorant, maniacal, profane, churlish, scurrilous, vituperative, querulous, garrulous, nauseating, and uncouth . . . . that it's hard to believe there's any truth at all in the message . . . which is only to coincidental . . . because there isn't. Maybe with a better messenger . . . more people . . . *any* people . . . *real* people might listen. But since it's just you blathering . . . I'll take my chances with the doctors. Rishi Giovanni Gatti: moron with psycopath rising. Ciao bella, baby. > >This is good, you should continue without glasses. > I don't think I need to give you the usual caveats about this > person.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sad, really. The Internet is all he has left. We humor him because > we feel sorry for him. I don't. He, like many others, is a waste of oxygen and a drain on the rest of us. SignatureCheers, Bev xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." -- Hunter S. Thompson Dear Andreas, The short answer -- and you have no other "problems". Go to the drug store, and look for some postive (magnifing) glasses. Try several on -- starging at about 1 diopter (focal length of one meter). They are low-cost, about $10 US. Wear them when doing "computer work" and see if that "relives" the strain. Best, Otis Engineer > Dear Andreas, > > The short answer -- and you have no other "problems". Dear Andreas, Please disregard Otis's response. He is not in the medical profession and not in any position to give medical advice. Thank you! Allen > Please disregard Otis's response. He is not in the medical profession and > not in any position to give medical advice. Is this board restricted to physicians??? Dear Rishi, This man is brain-dead. On one post, addressed to "William", this idiot posted a "warining" to William so the he might be "protected". It was William Stacy OD. Apparently Allen is such an expert that he feels impelled to protect ODs from my discussion about preventing nearsighedness. Wow! How dumb! Best, Otis I think this newsgroup should be moderated by the most active members ... -Andreas >> Dear Andreas, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Allen "Andreas Schmid" <monkey@gmx.info> wrote in news:d42jp2$rof$03$1@news.t- online.com: > I think this newsgroup should be moderated by the most active members ... > > -Andreas Like most active usenet groups, this is unmoderated. It is non-trivial to set up and maintain a moderated newsgroup, and when you do, active participation goes way down generally. Scott > I think this newsgroup should be moderated by the most active members ... I would like you to explain better what you mean when you say that your doctors are clueless. Otis, what help can you offer to anyone who wants real eyecare advise? Everyone here knows your training is nil and your understanding is miniscule and static. Besides, all you did was restate the advise he was given previously. PS-- Try using your "spellchecker", or "at least" proofread, your "posts." > postive >(magnifing) > starging >"relives" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Otis "Engineer" is a zealot who advocates his "plus lens" prevention theory without good reason. There is no scientific data to prove what he proposes. He would ask that all myopes (=nearsighted persons) go around wearing plus reading glasses in hopes that it will eventually reverse their nearsightedness. Nevermind that the blurry distance vision that myopes complain about is made worse by plus lenses! Nevermind that there is no proof for what he claims. If you are interested in Otis' approach, I have some other links that you might also be interested in: GET RICH QUICK http://www.clickvolume.net http://www.meetmark.com HARD PENILE ERECTIONS USING NATURAL HERBS http://www.herbaalex.com/panadex.htm LOOK AND FEEL YOUNGER http://www.youngeryounger.com FIND A BEAUTIFUL RUSSIAN WIFE http://www.russianladies.com For information on killfilling (filtering out the posts of a troll or spammer like Otis) see the following link: http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm For additional information on handling "trolls", refer to this link: http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm Dear RM, You really are a "stuffed shrit" aren't you. I have met quite a few medical people who DO have an open mind -- and will discuss new ideas and concepts. You are not one of them. You are have an inflated opinion of yourself. In fact, I strongly advocated that my sister's chidren work with the plus, and keep their vision clear -- specifically to avoid people like you. There are ODs who are compassionate and supportive of the "preventive" method of the plus. The method is not "easy", and not "quick", and for that reason must be studied -- and understood. When "Jon" received his -1.5 diopter lens -- the OD kept his mouth shut -- about this preventive alternative. I suppose that ODs had the same "attitude" you do. Fortunately "Jon" woke up -- and followed the advice of a second-opinion OD Steve Leung. www.chinamyopia.org But you are no help at all. Best, Otis > You are have an inflated opinion of yourself. In fact, > I strongly advocated that my sister's chidren work with the > plus, and keep their vision clear -- specifically to avoid > people like you. Dear vision prevention minded friends. Disregard what Otis advocates. He is not in the medical profession and in no position to give medical advice. > When "Jon" received his -1.5 diopter lens -- the OD kept his > mouth shut -- about this preventive alternative. I suppose > that ODs had the same "attitude" you do. Fortunately > "Jon" woke up -- and followed the advice of > a second-opinion OD Steve Leung. Also note, that Otis has yet provided a real live case example that will come to the newsgroup to share their experiences which leads us to believe his so called Jon is an imaginary figure. Thank you. Allen Another example of the POT calling the kettle black. DrG >You really are a "stuffed shrit" aren't you. A "stuffed shrit?" Geez, that hurts. >I have met quite a few medical people who DO have an >open mind -- and will discuss new ideas and concepts. I bet they don't like you very much. I bet they find you really tedious and annoying. >You are have an inflated opinion of yourself. Unlike Otis and his favorite personality trait: the Napoleon complex. >In fact, >I strongly advocated that my sister's chidren work with the >plus, and keep their vision clear -- specifically to avoid >people like you. Both are getting along nicely at the Braille Institute now, thank you. >There are ODs who are compassionate and supportive of >the "preventive" method of the plus. And there are ODs who are educated, and aware of current studies, who understand that its efficacy has never been proved. >The method is not "easy", and not "quick", and for that >reason must be studied -- and understood. . . . and . . . proven?? >When "Jon" received his -1.5 diopter lens -- the OD kept his >mouth shut -- about this preventive alternative. The tell-tale sign of an educated man. >I suppose >that ODs had the same "attitude" you do. Fortunately >"Jon" woke up -- and followed the advice of >a second-opinion OD Steve Leung. I believe that should be spelled "second-rate OD" >But you are no help at all. Which still puts him one up on you, as you are actually *harm* > You really are a "stuffed shrit" aren't you. Either spellcheck, or proofread. > I have met quite a few medical people who DO have an > open mind -- and will discuss new ideas and concepts. Otis-- your original reply to Andreas was simply a restatement of a suggestion made already by an OD (I'm not sure if you would classify him as compassionate or not). You added NO VALUE to the discussion with your post, and besides you have no understanding of the original problem that Andreas posted about. It doesn't have anything to do with your single-minded interest of myopia prevention. > The method is not "easy", and not "quick", and for that > reason must be studied -- and understood. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.chinamyopia.org blah blah blah Don't forget to reference your favorite bedtime story-- "The Printer's Son". And why not drop the names of some famous old optometrists that you claim you know (I wonder why none of them know you). Best, www.charlatan.com > > You really are a "stuffed shrit" aren't you. > > Either spellcheck, or proofread. Why don't you answer to my question? What will be the unaided vision of this poor fellow in a month's time? Do you think he will change the eyeglasses for stronger ones? Thanks for your learned reply. >Why don't you answer to my question? > >What will be the unaided vision of this poor fellow in a month's time? > >Do you think he will change the eyeglasses for stronger ones? Astrology is *your* business. > Astrology is *your* business. Be serious. You say you are scientific, then predict the outcome of the poor fellow's vision. I am able to predict that his vision will worsen. What do you think? Be serious. |
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