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I was offered lenses of "mid-index" material. They seemed not to know
the actual name of the material. They said that it was a cast plastic,
not ground, and that the index was 1.5370. They did not have the Abbe
number; he said it was "as good as regular plastic". I got the
impression that nobody had ever asked these questions before.
The price was $75 per lens with "Platinum" finish; apparently an
anti-reflection coating. The price was the same without that finish.
Does anyone have experience with the finish?
Any speculations as to what the material might be, whether it might
offer any advantage over regular plastic, and whether the price is
reasonable (it seems a little more than regular plastic)?
The frames were about $90; Stetson 171 56-16+50. They have a new-to-me
nose piece; it is a single piece of bent metal (inverted U shape)
riveted to the frame in the center and covered with soft plastic. You
adjust it by bending the metal. It seemed like it might offer the
adjustability of the pad-on-wire things while giving a broader contact
area so less pressure. Does anyone have experience with this?
Bob S
Mark A - 13 Apr 2005 19:04 GMT
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You have discovered that large numbers of people selling glasses these days
are not very well qualified.
However, what you were probably offered was Sola Spectralite, which is
available on Sola PAL lenses like the Solamax, Percepta, VIP Gold, etc. The
reason I say that is that Spectralite has the identical 1.5370 index.
Although other companies make mid-index lenses, it is unlikely they have the
identical index since Spectralite is proprietary (unlike polycarb or regular
plastic). You could confirm this by inquiring about the lens manufacturer
and PAL design.
Spectralite is a very good material with an abbe value of 47 (regular
plastic is 58, but much heavier and thicker with an index of 1.5). It would
be very appropriate for someone with an Rx like yours.
I don't know about the platinum finish, but I would be wary of any cheap AR
applied because it could easily be damaged, which would ruin your lenses.
The better AR coatings from the manufacturers are more durable. Crizal/Alize
is one of the most durable. Sola has a AR coating called UTMC. If the
coating is applied at an in-store lab, don't get it. However, not too many
AR coatings are free, so it may be an anti-scratch coat which comes with
most lenses, or it may be an edge finish. But it is possible that Platinum
is the name they use for UTMC to make it more difficult to compare prices.
Usually there is at least someone in an optical store that knows what is
going on, so ask another person, or ask when the manager will be available
if a salesperson cannot answer your questions.
I don't know about the price, but Wal-Mart has offered Sola products in the
past, so you could compare prices there. But they don't always offer all
materials in all lenses, even if they still offer Sola.
Is there some reason why you didn't disclose the name of the optical? Unless
it is an OD office or a local optical with only 1 store, then it helps us to
know who you are dealing with.
I can't help you with the frame, but make sure it is fitted to your face
comfortably before you buy the lenses (and before they measure the fitting
height, etc).
Bob S - 15 Apr 2005 20:45 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't being mysterious, just incomplete.
The place is a Wal-Mart, so I wasn't expecting terrific expertise.
It is not PAL glasses that I was offered, just ordinary bifocal
lenses. Does Sola do them in SpectraLite also?
Bob S
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Sola makes the ASL ASPHERIC FLAT-TOP 28 bi-focal in Spectralite which comes
with Perma-Gard Plus coating. I don't believe that this is an AR coating,
but not absolutely sure.
The head optician at Wal-Marts are usually pretty knowledgeable, so ask to
speak to them if the person you are talking to does not know the answer
(coatings, etc). If the head optician is not there, ask when they will be
there.
Wal-Mart usually caries name brand products, but their selection is somewhat
limited. So you should be able to find out exactly what the coating is.
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>number; he said it was "as good as regular plastic". I got the
>impression that nobody had ever asked these questions before.
1.537 is Spectralite by Sola, now owned by Carl Zeiss Co. Optical Dynamics makes
a cast PAL in a 1.56 index. I believe that Rodenstock might still make a cast
lens (AT or Life C) in about the same index.
>The price was $75 per lens with "Platinum" finish; apparently an
>anti-reflection coating. The price was the same without that finish.
>Does anyone have experience with the finish?
No idea. If you are saying you can get a PAL (progressive addition lens) with an
AR (anti-reflection) coating for $150 then caveat emptor. There are going to be
defects in the materials and the fit.
>Any speculations as to what the material might be, whether it might
>offer any advantage over regular plastic, and whether the price is
>reasonable (it seems a little more than regular plastic)?
>The frames were about $90; Stetson 171 56-16+50. They have a new-to-me
>nose piece; it is a single piece of bent metal (inverted U shape)
>riveted to the frame in the center and covered with soft plastic. You
>adjust it by bending the metal. It seemed like it might offer the
>adjustability of the pad-on-wire things while giving a broader contact
>area so less pressure. Does anyone have experience with this?
Much less adjustable than regular nosepads. This type of bridge tends to force
the glasses out and away from the eyes resulting in decreased field of vision.
Has to fit "by the book" off the shelve.
>Bob S
Hope this helps
Robert Martellaro
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Roberts Optical
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- Niels Bohr
Bob S - 15 Apr 2005 20:49 GMT
Sorry for the omission; it was entirely due to not paying attention;
after all, I knew what I was talking about, doesn't everyone :-)
Anyway, they are not PAL lenses, just simple bifocals. Does Sola do
ordinary bifocals in Sprectralite?
Thank you for the caution regarding the frames; I will look for
something else.
Bob S
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Robert Martellaro - 15 Apr 2005 22:28 GMT
>Sorry for the omission; it was entirely due to not paying attention;
>after all, I knew what I was talking about, doesn't everyone :-)
It's even worse when you can't see facial expressions and voice inflections.
>Anyway, they are not PAL lenses, just simple bifocals. Does Sola do
>ordinary bifocals in Sprectralite?
You bet. It's aspheric and has low specific gravity. Highly recommended.
>Thank you for the caution regarding the frames; I will look for
>something else.
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>Bob S
Your welcome.
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
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"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
- Niels Bohr
Bob S - 21 Apr 2005 11:12 GMT
Today I tried a local optical shop. They will also do Spectralite
bifocals, at almost exactly the same price per lens as Wal-Mart. They
even know what the material is ;-)
The frames are slightly more expensive, but they are better frames, so
that is OK. They are offering the same frame I now use. It says
"Cottet" and Tech 21 50 19 140, whatever all that means.
The big difference is what they offer for AR coating. They say they
use "Crizal Alize", which I guess is good stuff, but is $95! This is
compared to Wal-Mart's "Platinum", whatever that is, for free.
I asked about durability of the coatings and he said that it was
"better than they used to be", and that they very rarely have
problems. He also said that you cannot just "clean them on your shirt
tail" (why not, its just cotton?).
What are the experiences with this AR coating? Is it worth all that
money? Will it stand up to reasonable use? Will it tolerate hot water
rinses for grease removal?
Bob S
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Mark A - 21 Apr 2005 14:07 GMT
> Today I tried a local optical shop. They will also do Spectralite
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Crizal Alize is probably the best AR coating available for two reasons. It
is fairly durable (for an AR coating) and it is easier to clean than other
AR coatings. You can use a mild detergent and not/warm water to clean a AR
coated lens, but not scalding hot.
You should not use dry cotton to clean any lens because you are just
grinding the dirt against the lens while you attempt to remove the dirt. You
can gently use cotton to remove the excess water after you have properly
cleaned a lens with a mild detergent and warm water, but it should be
absolutely clean and free of dust or dirt (which cannot be guaranteed with a
shirt you are wearing).
Have you ever tried to clean a camera lens. Most good cameras have an AR
coating on them.
The expected life an AR coated lens is about 2 years, maybe a bit more with
Crizal if you are very careful. So if that is OK, then it is a good idea,
but it certainly is not mandatory that you have AR coating.
On your frame, I assume Tech 21 is the model number. 50 is the lens size, 19
the bridge width, and 140 the temple length. These are in millimeters.
I would call Wal-Mart and ask them for availability and price on Crizal
Alize. Plain Crizal is also durable, but not as easy to clean.
Robert Martellaro - 25 Apr 2005 22:53 GMT
>Today I tried a local optical shop. They will also do Spectralite
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Bob,
I can't tolerate the quality of vision with lenses that are not coated. Try it
to find out for yourself. On average, myopes see more improvement than
hyperopes.
I just finished helping a client whose coated lenses were 4+ years old and in
nearly pristine condition. Coatings fail because of rough treatment, exposure to
chemicals, and application to incompatible and poor quality surfaces
(manufactuers scratch coatings).
You won't get Essilor's Alize on Spectralite ST28 (lined multifocal). Zeiss
Advantage AR should be possible as well as Vision Resources Komodo and I-Coat
Stainless. These are all essentiality the same AR coatings with the same aesy to
clean "slick" coat. I try to keep the price down on these newer coatings and
also charge $95. I doubt that you will find them at a lower price.
Hope this helps
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
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"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
- Niels Bohr