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Advance vs. Night-and-day contacts

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ryoung8918@juno.com - 12 Apr 2005 18:11 GMT
Time for my annual eye exam, and I've been in Acuvue Advance contacts
(+3.25, +2.25, BC 8.7) for the last year. I find them comfortable, but
kind of variable in terms of visual clarity.

I also like the idea of a continuous wear contact such as the Focus
Night and Day. My questions are:

1) Given the parameters of my current contacts, is it even worth asking
my doctor about the possibility of changing to the N&D?

2) I know the advertised length of the extended wear of the N&D is 30
days. What have you or your patients experienced for length of
continous wear with the N&D? One week? Two weeks? 30 days?

r
William Stacy - 12 Apr 2005 18:19 GMT
I'd say yes, try them by trial lens. They have the best gas permeability
available.

w.stacy, o.d.

>Time for my annual eye exam, and I've been in Acuvue Advance contacts
>(+3.25, +2.25, BC 8.7) for the last year. I find them comfortable, but
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kemccx@gmail.com - 12 Apr 2005 18:57 GMT
does it take awhile to adapt to the Focus N&D lenses ?  I've been
wearing the Biomdeics 55 and they're extremely compfortable. But, I
wanted to switch to a silicone hydrogel lens - and tried the O2optix
(#1 as far as comfort goes but vision wasn't good).  Next was Focus N&D
- not very comfortable at first - then went back to the Biomedics. But,
I will try to adapt to them if they're better for my eyes. (I'm worried
about the scleral capillaries that have cropped up and I think they're
related to using lenses - I started wearing them a few months ago).
advice?
William Stacy - 12 Apr 2005 19:06 GMT
> does it take awhile to adapt to the Focus N&D lenses ?  I've been
> wearing the Biomdeics 55 and they're extremely compfortable. But, I
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> related to using lenses - I started wearing them a few months ago).
> advice?

It does, but not long. If you aren't used to them completely by day 2,
stick with the biomedics; its a great lens (for daily wear only) and the
new aspheric design seems to give real sharp vision.

w.stacy, o.d.
Mike Tyner - 12 Apr 2005 19:06 GMT
> 1) Given the parameters of my current contacts, is it even worth asking
> my doctor about the possibility of changing to the N&D?

Yes, not because you can sleep in them but because the N&D is stiffer and
the optics may vary less. It may or may not be as comfortable as your
current lenses.

> 2) I know the advertised length of the extended wear of the N&D is 30
> days. What have you or your patients experienced for length of
> continous wear with the N&D? One week? Two weeks? 30 days?

Yes, some people can wear newer lenses for longer intervals. That doesn't
mean it's advisable. Sleeping in lenses increases the incidence of problems,
no matter which lens.

-MT
ryoung8918@juno.com - 12 Apr 2005 20:05 GMT
MT,

Leaving the continous wear out, would you then consider other 30 day
daily wear only soft lenses ahead of the N&D? Or is the N&D preferable
to those because of O2 perm?
Mike Tyner - 12 Apr 2005 23:37 GMT
> Leaving the continous wear out, would you then consider other 30 day
> daily wear only soft lenses ahead of the N&D? Or is the N&D preferable
> to those because of O2 perm?

Just my opinion, but O2 permeability isn't the most important aspect for
lenses you take out at night. Technically, yes, they're "healthier" but you
have to ask "healthier than what?".

Old-fashioned polymacon lenses are comparably "safe" as long as they're
taken out at night, kept clean, and replaced on schedule.

Newer, more permeable materials aren't necessarily more comfortable or
deposit-resistant.

Does it matter that N&D are three times more expensive?

-MT
ryoung8918@juno.com - 13 Apr 2005 00:33 GMT
Expense is a factor, but not the deciding one. I'm assuming that when
you say 3 times as expensive, you mean as a monthly disposable. The
difference between the Advance and the N&D is like $80 per year's
supply. If there is a good monthly with better visual clarity than the
Advance, I'd consider that as well. I have to confess that the idea of
continuous wear has appeal, but I never saw myself "pushing the
envelope" with the continuous wear thing.

r
LarryDoc - 12 Apr 2005 22:03 GMT
> Time for my annual eye exam, and I've been in Acuvue Advance contacts
> (+3.25, +2.25, BC 8.7) for the last year. I find them comfortable, but
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> 1) Given the parameters of my current contacts, is it even worth asking
> my doctor about the possibility of changing to the N&D?

Sure. If you're not completely satisfied with the performance of your
current lens and/or desire a different wearing schedule, try something
new.  You may or may not find it to be both "new and improved."

> 2) I know the advertised length of the extended wear of the N&D is 30
> days. What have you or your patients experienced for length of
> continous wear with the N&D? One week? Two weeks? 30 days?

Advertised is, well, advertised. The use of continuous wear lenses is
based on whether your eye health is uncompromised during lenses were. I
have patients going 30 days but the majority wear them a week or so
between cleaning/disinfecting or simply replacing them (O2Optix is
priced for two week replacement). And a goodly number of wearers are
using them for daily wear and occasional overnight use. I have some
patients who use a daily disposable while surfing and a monthly the rest
of the time.  Whatever works!

FYI, there are a number of brands of silicone-hydrogel contact lenses.
The choice can often have to do with where you live as all of them are
not available in some countries or in all parameters.  At least not
quite yet!

--LB, O.D.
Dr. Leukoma - 13 Apr 2005 11:58 GMT
There is a gathering consensus that silicone-hydrogel lenses ought to
be the lenses of first choice even in daily wear.  I refer to a recent
article in the January edition of Eye and Contact Lens: Science and
Clinical Practice.  The article, entitled Corneal Oxygen Deficiency by
Desmond Fonn, Ph.D., Deborah Sweeney, Ph.D., Brien Holden, Ph.D., and
Dwight Cavanagh, M.D., Ph.D. concludes that hypoxic effects of contact
lenses are present even during daily wear, and that corneal physiology
showed improvement with silicone-hydrogel lenses under all conditions.
These authors are represent some of the top clinical researchers in the
contact lens field.

With respect to oxygen permeability, they rank in descending order:
Focus N&D, O2Optix, Purevision, Acuvue Advance.  The Ciba, B&L, and
Vistakon products also differ slightly in the surface chemistry and the
way the lenses are treated to become hydrophilic.  They also differ in
the elastic modulus depending on the silicone vs. water content.  These
physical parameters create individual differences causing individual
patients to prefer one over the other in terms of comfort and duration
of wear.

Of the current silicone-hydrogel lenses on the U.S. market, only Focus
N&D and Purevision are FDA approved for 30 day continuous wear.
O2Optix is approved for two weeks, and Acuvue Advance is approved for
daily wear only.

DrG
pfleggs - 14 Apr 2005 19:22 GMT
Ive tryd acuvue2, advanced and ciba focus night and days.I admit to
abusing the wearing scedules so opted for the night and days.For
safteys sake.Acuvue advanced seem more comfortable but will they ever
be approved for extended wear?Is it possible to view  online what is
submitted to the FDA for consideration of approval
William Stacy - 14 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT
I think they aren't even trying for flex wear approval on the Advanced
because of its tendency to pick up oils from the tear layer, becomming
blurry. Don't know about the last question.  The Purevision is
apparently coming back on the market tho'.

w.stacy, o.d.

>Ive tryd acuvue2, advanced and ciba focus night and days.I admit to
>abusing the wearing scedules so opted for the night and days.For
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Mike Tyner - 14 Apr 2005 20:53 GMT
>I think they aren't even trying for flex wear approval on the Advanced
>because of its tendency to pick up oils from the tear layer, becomming
>blurry. Don't know about the last question.  The Purevision is apparently
>coming back on the market tho'.

Just a couple of days ago the Vistakon rep confirmed that Advance has been
submitted to the FDA for EW approval.

I've seen a couple of sources say Purevision would be released again in the
US this month.

-MT
kemccx@gmail.com - 14 Apr 2005 20:02 GMT
DrG wrote   ' Of the current silicone-hydrogel lenses on the U.S.
market, only Focus
N&D and Purevision are FDA approved for 30 day continuous wear.
O2Optix is approved for two weeks, and Acuvue Advance is approved for
daily wear only. '
Question: are O2Optix approved for overnight wear ? I have a pair and
am taking them out at night - I'd like to be able to sleep in them once
in awhile.
Dr. Leukoma - 15 Apr 2005 01:34 GMT
Indeed, O2Optix are approved for overnight wear, but not for 30 days
continuous.

DrG
JMK3rd - 15 Apr 2005 00:32 GMT
Hi,
I've worn Acuvue (-3.75 and -4.00) for about 15 years and was happy with
them. I'd worn them at a 30-day continuous wear cycle (sometimes
more)...never a problem. I know it's definitely not the right thing to do.
But, to be honest, they were so good for so long, I'd forget about them
99.9% of the time. Vision and comfort always were top-notch.

Since I'd heard good things about O2Optix, I tried them at my last eye
exam. At first, the vision they gave me was about 80% as 'clear' as the
Acuvue's. And, they were nowhere near as comfortable. I kept them in for 7
days, soaked them overnight and reinserted. I did this for about 45 days
before I decided that I just couldn't take them any more. I had to blink
constantly to maintain any sort of visual clarity and they constantly
reminded me that they were there. My Doc sat me several times..said all was
normal. So.......

I then tried Focus N&D's. These were a bit better visually, but they
produced a burning sensation several times throughout the day. I had to
blink or put in drops to get rid of it. I kept these for about 25 days
before I threw in the towel and made another trip to the Doc.

In go Acuvue Advance and...WOW!. They were really comfortable. They
produced great vision. Not one problem.

That's my story, your mileage may vary.  :)

Jim

> Time for my annual eye exam, and I've been in Acuvue Advance contacts
> (+3.25, +2.25, BC 8.7) for the last year. I find them comfortable, but
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> r
Dr. Leukoma - 15 Apr 2005 01:37 GMT
There are enough physical differences between the lenses to create
individual preferences.

DrG
 
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