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g.gatti@agora.it - 31 Mar 2005 11:09 GMT I have another very intelligent client from Naples who was suffering of a strong prescription till the age of 6, now he is 25 and has discarded eyeglasses permanently.
He has read the Trilogy of Perfect Sight which I publish in fine print also and has reported what follows:
At beginning of treatment, the day he discarded his eyeglasses, all he could see before the Snellen chart was 1/200. The big C at one foot.
After 15 days without glasses and trying to understand by himself the principles of treatment according to the Original system of Dr. Bates he reports he is able to see 2/70.
Six times the unaided visual acuity.
We will see his progress how will enable him to do his work without aids, he is a sculptor.
http://TheCentralFixation.com
Dr. Leukoma - 31 Mar 2005 13:15 GMT Rishi, if the person had even one milligram of intelligence, they would not be consulting you.
I like your URL. You're fixated alright, but eccentrically.
DrG
g.gatti@agora.it - 31 Mar 2005 13:23 GMT > Rishi, if the person had even one milligram of intelligence, they would > not be consulting you. > > I like your URL. You're fixated alright, but eccentrically. > > DrG Please mind well I'm not doing any consultation.
Simply I sell the book and collect anecdotal evidence of intelligent clients who are fed up of your outrageous and injurious treatments and start to do something positive for their eyes and mind.
You do not show any bit of intelligence, that's why I call you a idiot.
We will see how these people of high myopia will come out of the madness in which you have put them.
Please, relax, nobody will rob you of your practice, intelligent clients are very rare, you can feel contented and happy with your own business. Although it is dirty, it will continue forever.
Dr. Leukoma - 31 Mar 2005 13:52 GMT Being called an idiot by you is a badge of honor, especially in view of your warm regards for the myopic population. Thank you!
However, it does appear as though you are doing consultation. Are you charging for it?
DrG
g.gatti@agora.it - 31 Mar 2005 18:58 GMT > Being called an idiot by you is a badge of honor, especially in view of > your warm regards for the myopic population. Thank you! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > DrG What kind of consultation I can do on the phone simply listening to the tales of people, desperate for your own incompetence?
What can I charge???
We have to un-charge or discharge the heavy mass of stupidities you have put in the heads of people when you sell you ugly eyeglasses.
That's the discharge we have to treat and possibly burn away, no way of recycling that shame.
I confirm you are an idiot as an example of your absurd profession, criminal and un-scientific.
By the way, why cannot you f.ck off and black-list me? I am not asking you anything. Let me do my own business and help people know the truth about vision. You have nothing to be afraid of. The gullibles will continue to come to you and be mistreated forever. You do not worry. Please f.ck off, I do not want to have to answer to your stupid messages, thanks.
Dr. Leukoma - 31 Mar 2005 19:38 GMT You stated that you have a "client" who is undergoing "treatment" by you. Those were your words. If you do not have a medical license, then you are probably in violation of the laws of your community. I shudder to think of how many innocent people have been harmed by your advice.
DrG
nellie4526@mindspring.com - 01 Apr 2005 04:13 GMT >I confirm you are an idiot as an example of your absurd profession, >criminal and un-scientific. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Please f.ck off, I do not want to have to answer to your stupid >messages, thanks. You're so funny! An annoying little man, but funny at the same time. Myself, I'm having too much fun to black-list you. I do love the comic pomposity and buffoonry that you exhibit in every post!
Neil Brooks - 01 Apr 2005 04:22 GMT >>I confirm you are an idiot as an example of your absurd profession, >>criminal and un-scientific. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Myself, I'm having too much fun to black-list you. I do love the >comic pomposity and buffoonry that you exhibit in every post! He does kind of grow on you, doesn't he?
Be careful, though . . . so does leprosy . . . .
g.gatti@agora.it - 01 Apr 2005 08:23 GMT > You're so funny! An annoying little man, but funny at the same time. > Myself, I'm having too much fun to black-list you. I do love the > comic pomposity and buffoonry that you exhibit in every post! Thank you Miss The Idiot, perhaps you are a good woman with perfect sight?
nellie4526@mindspring.com - 02 Apr 2005 05:00 GMT >> You're so funny! An annoying little man, but funny at the same time. >> Myself, I'm having too much fun to black-list you. I do love the >> comic pomposity and buffoonry that you exhibit in every post! > >Thank you Miss The Idiot, perhaps you are a good woman with perfect >sight? Hee... Hee... Hee.
Perhaps I've got good enough sight to recognize a perfect idiot, little man!
g.gatti@agora.it - 02 Apr 2005 08:41 GMT > Perhaps I've got good enough sight to recognize a perfect idiot, > little man! Perhaps not.
Please f.ck off. If you are not interested, get lost!
nellie4526@mindspring.com - 03 Apr 2005 05:16 GMT >> Perhaps I've got good enough sight to recognize a perfect idiot, >> little man! > >Perhaps not. > >Please f.ck off. If you are not interested, get lost! My, my, what a thoughtful reply... But then, it probably taxed the limits of your capabilities, so good try!
g.gatti@agora.it - 03 Apr 2005 08:44 GMT > >> Perhaps I've got good enough sight to recognize a perfect idiot, > >> little man! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My, my, what a thoughtful reply... But then, it probably taxed the > limits of your capabilities, so good try! It is true that on the Internet you mostly find perfect idiots like you.
Please have your son read this tread and then ask him: who is the idiot?
You will be surprised.
nellie4526@mindspring.com - 04 Apr 2005 02:50 GMT >> >> Perhaps I've got good enough sight to recognize a perfect idiot, >> >> little man! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >You will be surprised. He says you're the idiot. Not surprised at all.
g.gatti@agora.it - 04 Apr 2005 08:14 GMT Dont be a liar, your eyesight will suffer.
nellie4526@mindspring.com - 05 Apr 2005 04:15 GMT >Dont be a liar, your eyesight will suffer. Well, then, you must be blind by now!
Jamie M - 31 Mar 2005 20:43 GMT DrG,
I would take offense to that comment regarding intelligence, but I find these discussions and the participants too amusing to take any of it personally.
I replied to a similar post of yours in another thread. The comments apply here as well. Please read below.
Jamie
Re: COMET study supports a role for plus at near for myopic esophores 31 Mar 2005 03:31 Dr. Leukoma Even though you obviously mind-meld with Rishi, your use of logic gave you away.
No, this is not an onion layer phenomenon. One has a finite amount of functional myopia. Unfortunately, the measurement of it is not always consistent, even under "cycloplegia." Perhaps it was underestimated in the past.
DrG
Re: COMET study supports a role for plus at near for myopic esophores 31 Mar 2005 19:33 Jamie M DrG,
I try to use logic to the best of my ability. Like all (or most) people my emotions, obsessions, fears, etc. can get in the way of my reason.
There is a very rational explanation for the willingness to give any form of natural vision improvement a go (to try to cure mypia specifically); there are no non-invasive, surgical alternative for a cure and, as far as I know, you cannot harm yourself by not wearing your glasses.
Can we agree on these points or have I missed something?
And I add here....Dr Judy stated that maybe 2 in 100 people might be able to cure their vision by using these methods. She stated that she is inclined to think that these 2 people would probably have experienced some sort of spontaneous or gradual shift in their myopia anyway given time. Regardless one could argue that it would be ver un-intelligent and/or irrational not to try to be one of those 2 out of a hundred.
This is sooo enjoyable :)
Dr. Leukoma - 01 Apr 2005 04:05 GMT Whether you take offense or not doesn't alter the truth of the statement.
We might agree on your points, but we obviously disagree on the methodology. Perhaps you can write-off your trip to Italy for medical reasons.
DrG
heynita2000 - 03 Apr 2005 20:30 GMT Leave him alone you Qua__k.
retinula@hotmail.com - 03 Apr 2005 23:16 GMT Neil Brooks - 31 Mar 2005 17:06 GMT >I have another very intelligent client from Naples who was suffering of >a strong prescription till the age of 6, now he is 25 and has discarded [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >We will see his progress how will enable him to do his work without >aids, he is a sculptor. I have taken it upon myself recently to begin aggressively using the minus lens to help ameliorate my high hyperopia and moderate astigmatism.
While there has been no noticeable change in my vision, I *am* now able to bench press nearly twice my weight--an unanticipated, but most welcome side effect of the therapy.
Best, Neil
g.gatti@agora.it - 31 Mar 2005 19:00 GMT > I have taken it upon myself recently to begin aggressively using the > minus lens to help ameliorate my high hyperopia and moderate > astigmatism. You have nothing to take upon yourself because in your head skull there is nothing, just rubbish.
> While there has been no noticeable change in my vision, I *am* now > able to bench press nearly twice my weight--an unanticipated, but most > welcome side effect of the therapy. You should be able to f.ck off as well like your idiot-colleague.
Neil Brooks - 31 Mar 2005 19:03 GMT >> I have taken it upon myself recently to begin aggressively using the >> minus lens to help ameliorate my high hyperopia and moderate >> astigmatism. > >You have nothing to take upon yourself because in your head skull there >is nothing, just rubbish. An unfortunate consequence of reading all that *you* write.
>> While there has been no noticeable change in my vision, I *am* now >> able to bench press nearly twice my weight--an unanticipated, but >most >> welcome side effect of the therapy. > >You should be able to f.ck off as well like your idiot-colleague. I, of course, shall try, Reeshster, because you are wise and sage while the rest of us are uninformed and misguided.
If I have any trouble f-- well, doing what it is you suggest I do, I'll just stare at the sun, click my heels together three times, and say
"There's no place like Rome."
"There's no place like Rome."
"There's no place like Rome."
Evaristo - 21 Apr 2005 23:46 GMT >I'll just stare at the sun, click my heels together three times, and >say [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >"There's no place like Rome." LOL. Actually if this is your way to relax from the strain to see, do it !
The point is that when you look at something you try to see, and this causes your imperfect vision.
Don't do that, just let your imagination rule.
"If you leave your eyes alone, things clear up by themselves"
-- "It is not faith that cures, but a proper use of the eyes."
RM - 01 Apr 2005 05:22 GMT .
> I have taken it upon myself recently to begin aggressively using the > minus lens to help ameliorate my high hyperopia and moderate > astigmatism. Now, if you also add some anxiety and stress to your minus lens therapy, then according to Andrew, you'll really stand a good chance of affecting some change.
Perhaps you could call in a bomb threat, or hold up a bank. I suspect that would produce sufficient stress and anxiety to cause your eye to begin to elongate. Within a short time you should be emmetropic.
Now what to do about your astigmatism? Perhaps some psychotherapy and some heart-to-heart conversation with your parents about the conflicts they caused you during childhood should start to heal the toricity of your cornea.
Let's just quite fighting this crap that Otis and Andrew are spouting and embrace it!
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