> First you need better evidence than your own subjective impression. This is
> the first time I've heard of such a claim for CP.
Hi Mike,
I know you are well informad on vision issues because of your posts
over the years. Actually, my inquiry wasn't as a research project, only
a desire to find out exactly why it improved vision in my own case. (I
tried CP and vision was notably sharper, went off and it worsened, went
back on and it became sharper, went off and it worsened--so I'm
convinced, in my case, it works.) I ran across a number of
recommendations for it in the past.
> And there are lots of letters from the FDA insisting that commercial
> distributors remove those claims (helping diabetes) from their
advertising.
> I found CP worthless in controlling my own blood sugar. My internist wasn't
> surprised.
I'm not referring to anyone's advertising, as I pay no attention to
that. I've worked with the Diabetes Association as a volunteer and have
seen studies concerning CP and type 2--some discounting it, and some
supporting it, as in many things. Fortunately, I don't have any sugar
problems, so I haven't looked into it as extensively as you probably
have.
>> "Improving focus muscles" couldn't affect distance acuity in a
normal eye,
> because the focusing muscles must _relax_ to focus distant objects.
I'm thinking more of near vision. My distance vision is 20/20
uncorrected, but reading small print has become uncomfortable--hence,
my search for a non-medical approach. As above, the CP has been
noticably helpful.
> I think you'll find the only claims for such benefits come from commercial
> distributors.
Again, I pay no attention to commercial claims, so I really don't know
what they claim.
> -MT
Neil Brooks - 29 Mar 2005 17:03 GMT
>> First you need better evidence than your own subjective impression.
>This is
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>> -MT
Unfortunately, it's impossible to rule out the placebo effect in this
case.
You, more than likely, still have accommodative capacity. It's pretty
likely that you've drawn on that accommodative capacity to improve
near vision.
Dennis - 29 Mar 2005 21:45 GMT
> Hi Mike,
<Snip>
> I'm thinking more of near vision. My distance vision is 20/20
> uncorrected, but reading small print has become uncomfortable--hence,
> my search for a non-medical approach. As above, the CP has been
> noticably helpful.
I am always fascinated when someone says that they that they want to try
a non-medical approach, and then take a supplement extracted from either
a herb or chemical/mineral. Especially when they have no assurance
whatsoever (in North America) that what they are taking actually is made
up of the ingredients listed on the label in the strength listed on the
label. In what sense is taking the herb or supplement not a medical
approach? How does that reasoning work?
At least in a prescription drug, the actual manufacturing process is
strictly regulated. In this case, you are willing to go so far as to
ingest an unknown substance instead of trying a simple mechanical
apparatus (eyeglasses).
Dennis (Enquiring minds want to know.)
halterb@aol.com - 30 Mar 2005 00:07 GMT
> I am always fascinated when someone says that they that they want to try
> a non-medical approach, and then take a supplement extracted from either
> a herb or chemical/mineral. Especially when they have no assurance
> whatsoever (in North America) that what they are taking actually is made
> up of the ingredients listed on the label in the strength listed on the
> label.
There are many trustworthy supplement manufacturers in North America
who have been in business longer than probably most of the posters on
this board have been alive. There's been plenty of controversy recently
about the dangers of prescription drugs. Furthermore, if the supplement
delivers the expected results, that would seem to confirm its
reliability.
>In what sense is taking the herb or supplement not a medical
> approach? How does that reasoning work?
A nutritional supplement is a nutrient, not a drug. That's how that
reasoning works.
> At least in a prescription drug, the actual manufacturing process is
> strictly regulated. In this case, you are willing to go so far as to
> ingest an unknown substance instead of trying a simple mechanical
> apparatus (eyeglasses).
I'm sure it's comforting to those made ill by prescription drugs to
know the manufacturing process is strictly regulated. Chromium is not
an unknown substance. Eyeglasses are not a simple mechanical
apparatus--they must be prescribed with great precision, manufactured
precisely, fitted correctly, and according to some cause the user to
become dependent on them. Furthermore, resorting to glasses without
further investigation is treating the symptom, not the cause.
> Dennis (Enquiring minds want to know.)
Dennis' post is not a helpful response, nor does it address the the
original question as to why chromium helps focus--this inquiring mind
wants to know.
Mike Tyner - 30 Mar 2005 01:04 GMT
> Dennis' post is not a helpful response, nor does it address the the
> original question as to why chromium helps focus--this inquiring mind
> wants to know.
This inquiring mind wants to know if it really does.
If there's any diet supplement that improves visual acuity in healthy eyes,
most doctors have never heard of it.
-MT