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In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
HOW CAN YOU BE SO IDIOTIC AND FASCIST?
> Dear readers,
>
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> Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
Neil Brooks - 28 Mar 2005 21:03 GMT
>HOW CAN YOU BE SO IDIOTIC AND FASCIST?
By reading your every post, studying your every move, and trying to be
*just like you*.
That's the easy way :-)
Dear Prevention minded friends,
In an effort to discredit the concept that a populations
of eye's are dynamic, Jan-OD proceeds to MIS-QUOTE ME.
I have NEVER use the words:
"Cure"
"Therapy"
or any medical term.
So Jan's staement should read, "I think that the
concept that the natural eye is dyanamic ... should
be destoryed".
You "destroy" a concept IN SCIENCE by demonstrating
that a population of natural eye IS NOT DYNAMIC.
Jan will never allow this pure experiment to
take place -- because he knows full well the
concept of honest facts as the concern the
eye's proven behavior.
The intensity of Jan's bias, when talking about
the natural eye -- tested on an "input" versus
"output" is obvious.
Prevention is possile -- but not under the
"control" of Jan.
Further, if Jan sat on a OD review board
of ANOTHER OD advocating prevention with
the plus -- you can well imagine the
result.
No justice, and no accurate assessment,
as when as no preception of accruate
scientific facts.
This is indeed a "closed" society.
Don't kid yourself about that fact.
Best,
Otis
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> In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed
> Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
> Dear readers,
>
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>
> Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
A Lieberman - 28 Mar 2005 22:11 GMT
> Dear Prevention minded friends,
Dear Prevention minded friends.
Disregard Otis postings. I have asked for unbiased proof and he fails to
provide it.
Allen
Mike Tyner - 28 Mar 2005 22:11 GMT
> Prevention is possile -- but not under the
> "control" of Jan.
You keep saying this, but you haven't shown us that it works in humans. The
best resources say it doesn't.
Please offer your proof, so we can use your preventive therapy.
-MT
Jan - 28 Mar 2005 22:43 GMT
> In an effort to discredit the concept that a populations
> of eye's are dynamic, Jan-OD proceeds to MIS-QUOTE ME.
> I have NEVER use the words:
> "Cure"
> "Therapy"
Here you are absolutly proven right Otis.
It just a statement from me side.
It does not matter how you call your therapy, people working in the
eyecarefield consider your method in trying (with no results) to prevent
myopia has to be called a therapy.
> So Jan's staement should read, "I think that the
> concept that the natural eye is dyanamic ... should
> be destoryed".
And here you go again Otis.
I never said the eye isn't dynamic, neither did one of the other eyecare
proffessionals in this newsgroup.
> Jan will never allow this pure experiment to
> take place -- because he knows full well the
> concept of honest facts as the concern the
> eye's proven behavior.
I allow you to prove your theory Otis, by all means go ahaed .
I even wanted you to prove I am wrong.
How sad you never give it a try (or did you and failed?)
> Prevention is possile -- but not under the
> "control" of Jan.
I have already tried to undercorrect real (not pseudo) myopics a long time
ago Otis and so did many others.
Results?
Nihil in real myopics.
> No justice, and no accurate assessment,
> as when as no preception of accruate
> scientific facts.
Show me these recent scientific facts please. (real please, not from an
obscure internet site)
> This is indeed a "closed" society.
Yes Otis and you are the only "open minded" person on earth.
> Otis

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In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
RM - 29 Mar 2005 01:45 GMT
***** OTIS WARNING *****
This posting is an automatic reply to any sci.med.vision newsgroup thread
that is receiving comments from a person named "Otis", "Otis Brown",
"otisbrown@pa.net" or "Otis, Engineer".
Otis is not an expert in any field of vision. His medical and eyecare
training is nil. He is a proponent of a myopia prevention technique that is
unproven.
Otis continually misquotes people in his posts. He drops the names of
doctors whom he falsely claims to be associated with. He has been caught in
out-and-out lies. He has given people incorrect medical advise. Sadly, his
behavior suggests he may have psychological problems that compel him to
argue against people just for the sake of causing an argument.
Otis is what is known in internet newsgroup lingo as a "troll". Do not
reply to his postings-- it just takes up bandwidth and storage space that
should be reserved for meaningful topics. It also just fulfils his sick
psychological needs.
No one means to suppress the honest opinions of others. This message is only
meant to forewarn newcomers who might misconstrue Otis as a trained eyecare
expert. Those of us who have been here for awhile know Otis oh too well!
For anyone who is interested in understanding the true state of
scientific/medical research on myopia prevention, I offer the following
links:
http://annals.edu.sg/pdf200401/V33N1p4.pdf
http://www.revoptom.com/index.asp?ArticleType=SiteSpec&page=osc/apr01/lesson_0401.htm
http://dels.nas.edu/ilar/jour_online/40_2/V40_2NortonAnimalModels.asp
http://www.optometrists.asn.au/gui/files/ceo865276.pdf
If you are truly interested in Otis' theories of myopia prevention then
visit his favorite websites www.i-see.org and www.chinamyopia.com.
Please see the weekly posting "welcome to sci.med.vision", which usually
appears on Mondays, for a guide regarding this newsgroup and for information
on how to filter out Otis' posts so that you may be able to participate in
worthwhile discussions in this forum.
For further information on killfilling (filtering out the posts of a troll
or spammer) see the following link:
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For additional information on handling "trolls" like Otis, refer to this
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http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
> Dear Prevention minded friends,
Dear Friends,
Subject: The bias of the traditional
minus-lens theory.
There are medical people who honestly
admit that they can only "react"
to a person AFTER he gets
slightly into nearsighedness -- by
"prescribing" a minus lens.
We all understand that situation.
The problem is Jan's hubris if
failing to recognize that the
approach can be intellectually
blind.
Here is a statement by a medical
doctor about "bad theories"
that eventually are replaced -- after
major damange is done.
Keep an open mind -- about the
biase that now exists about this
matter.
___________________
A REVIEW OF THE PAST APPROACH
We should all thoughtfully evaluate the unfortunate effect of using an
immediate and easy fix for the problem of nearsightedness. This
situation of a self-perpetuating mistake (produced by public need and
attitude) is sometimes recognized by the students of medicine. Dr.
Perri Klass said it this way in VITAL SIGNS:
"... Sometimes the awesome weight of medical knowledge is totally off
the beam. You have to practice medicine with that in mind, with the
knowledge that a hundred years or so along the road, they'll be telling
stories about the medical theories of today to get a laugh of the
medical students of 2085..."
And about medicines' confidence in its routines:
"... Or something so basic, so taken for granted, that no one has
gotten around to questioning it. Whatever it is, probably the medical
profession is collectively doing something really dumb and really
damaging, and doing it with complete good will and typical medical
self-confidence."
This applies to vision. The demand for negative lens use comes partly
from the public's demand for an instant solution, (and corresponding
reluctance to properly use a plus lens) and not from a scientific
assessment of the behavior characteristic of the normal eye.
______________
It is my fondest hope that ONE DAY,
optometrist will put their own
children into a plus (at the threshold)
and offer your children the same
opportunity -- on a "one time"
basis.
You would be given the opportunity
to review all these issues -- and
realize the consequences of jumping
to quickly inot a minus lens.
That would be a reasonable and
logical approach.
In fact, one OD is now offering that
approach -- before a minus lens is used.
www.myopiafree.org
Best,
Otis
otisbrown@pa.net - 28 Mar 2005 22:16 GMT
Correction:
Make that:
www.chinamyopia.org
For a concerned parent using a plus
to PREVENT nearsighedness in
his own child.
Best,
Otis
A Lieberman - 28 Mar 2005 22:48 GMT
> For a concerned parent using a plus
> to PREVENT nearsighedness in
> his own child.
Dear Prevention minded friends.
Disregard Otis postings. I have asked for unbiased proof and he fails to
provide it.
Allen
RM - 29 Mar 2005 01:46 GMT
Otis "Engineer" is a zealot who advocates his "plus lens" prevention theory
without good reason. There is no scientific data to prove what he proposes.
He would ask that all myopes (=nearsighted persons) go around wearing plus
reading glasses in hopes that it will eventually reverse their
nearsightedness. Nevermind that the blurry distance vision that myopes
complain about is made worse by plus lenses! Nevermind that there is no
proof for what he claims.
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> Dear Friends,
>
> Subject: The bias of the traditional
> minus-lens theory.