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kemccx@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2005 23:56 GMT
anyone hear about the doctor in Virginia USA who has a process to get
rid of floaters?  I found him at wwww.eyefloaters.com.  I've mentioned
it to 2 doctors, and they denounce it as unethical. I don't understand
why they feel that way, if it works.
RM - 25 Feb 2005 11:25 GMT
Entering the posterior chamber of the eye surgically to remove floaters
carries a significant risk of complications-- infection, retinal detachment,
etc.  The gain from this risky procedure is only to remove some visually
disturbing floaters while the potential for sight-threatening complications
from the procedure is much worse.

> anyone hear about the doctor in Virginia USA who has a process to get
> rid of floaters?  I found him at wwww.eyefloaters.com.  I've mentioned
> it to 2 doctors, and they denounce it as unethical. I don't understand
> why they feel that way, if it works.
RM - 25 Feb 2005 12:30 GMT
Well, now that I read the website, it appears surgical entrance into the
posterior chamber is not required.  Guess I should have read instead of
posted!

Laser treatments in the eye have their inherent risks.  The site says the
laser is somehow "special".  I am not sure what that means.  I bet the use
of a laser is the source of skepticism that your other docs have voiced.
Yag lasers can cause mechanical disruption leading to macular swelling.
Heat-generating lasers stand a chance of hitting the retina and causing
permanent damage.

Without further information I would also be skeptical of this procedure.
Floaters really aren't that much of a health problem, while complication of
a blown laser procedure could be vision threatening.  The gain isn't worth
the risk.

RM

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> Entering the posterior chamber of the eye surgically to remove floaters
> carries a significant risk of complications-- infection, retinal
> detachment, etc.  The gain from this risky procedure is only to remove
> some visually disturbing floaters while the potential for
> sight-threatening complications from the procedure is much worse.
g.gatti@agora.it - 25 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT
IT IS ALL PURE MADNESS

floaters go away slowly by practicing the methods of the normal eyes.

everybody who starts self-treatment according to these methods has to
admit that the floaters simply desappear.

http://TheCentralFixation.com

> Well, now that I read the website, it appears surgical entrance into the
> posterior chamber is not required.  Guess I should have read instead of
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> > some visually disturbing floaters while the potential for
> > sight-threatening complications from the procedure is much worse.
Dom - 25 Feb 2005 12:02 GMT
> anyone hear about the doctor in Virginia USA who has a process to get
> rid of floaters?  I found him at wwww.eyefloaters.com.  I've mentioned
> it to 2 doctors, and they denounce it as unethical. I don't understand
> why they feel that way, if it works.

Interesting website... when you read it, you get the impression that a
successful result depends a *lot* on the doctor's skill and
concentration on the day. I don't know what the actual risks are, but I
do know that I wouldn't be having this procedure unless my floaters were
*really* bothering me.

Dom
kemccx@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 12:55 GMT
As a matter of fact, I found another site yesterday -
www.vitreuosfloaters.com - this doctor seems to use the same laser  as
the other one. Reason I was looking for it is that my floaters are
extremely disrupting to my vision.  But, if other decotors are
skeptical, I guess I will be too.  Howver, the laser is the same one
used in the YAG procedure for after-cataracts, so how disruptive can it
be?
Dan Abel - 25 Feb 2005 19:49 GMT
> skeptical, I guess I will be too.  Howver, the laser is the same one
> used in the YAG procedure for after-cataracts, so how disruptive can it
> be?

I've had that procedure twice, and was given stern warnings that the risk
was low and worth it, but there was some risk.  Most people can live with
floaters, they don't hurt the vision that much.  Capsule opacification,
which I assume is what you are referring to, seriously lessens your
vision.

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RM - 26 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT
YAG lasers are indeed mechanically disruptive.  They are less of a risk when
they are aimed at the lens capsule when they are used to remove
"after-cataracts".  But when the laser is aimed further back in the eye
closer to the retina the risks increase.  The website warns that floaters
near the retina cannot be treated.

Perhaps with further experience this procedure will prove itself.  For now,
unless you feel comfortable being a guinea pig, perhaps you should wait and
see.

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> As a matter of fact, I found another site yesterday -
> www.vitreuosfloaters.com - this doctor seems to use the same laser  as
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> used in the YAG procedure for after-cataracts, so how disruptive can it
> be?
Robert Kopp - 26 Feb 2005 03:47 GMT
> YAG lasers are indeed mechanically disruptive.  They are less of a risk when
> they are aimed at the lens capsule when they are used to remove
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> unless you feel comfortable being a guinea pig, perhaps you should wait and
> see.

YAG capsulotomy has been suspected of correlation with retinal detachment,
up to 4% in some studies, but findings have been somewhat inconsistent. In
the case of after-cataract, the risk is usually considered worth taking,
but floaters would have to be quite troublesome to justify a similar risk.

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Ed Weber - 25 Feb 2005 14:49 GMT
> anyone hear about the doctor in Virginia USA who has a process to get
> rid of floaters?  I found him at wwww.eyefloaters.com.  I've mentioned
> it to 2 doctors, and they denounce it as unethical. I don't understand
> why they feel that way, if it works.

I consulted the Virginia doctor about my floaters but he said I was not a
candidate for the laser procedure because I have many small, fast moving
floaters.  However, another person, who was in the office at the same time,
had a very large, slow moving floater.  He was treated and he went home very
happy.   Conclusion: the treatment works in some case but not all.

I understand the procedure is in a research status by the FDA or whatever
agency is in charge of such things.
kemccx@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 15:22 GMT
glad to hear that someone actually went to this doctor. I might be
interested in the future. The doctor in Florida can make an assessment
over the phone. Might be good to do that.  Thanks for the responses.
g.gatti@agora.it - 26 Feb 2005 09:16 GMT
> glad to hear that someone actually went to this doctor. I might be
> interested in the future. The doctor in Florida can make an assessment
> over the phone. Might be good to do that.  Thanks for the responses.

Don't bother, it's all wrong, and you will never solve the problem with
that butchery procedure, nobody has ever done it, nobody will ever do
it.

Be sure of that.
retinula@hotmail.com - 27 Feb 2005 02:50 GMT
have you noticed that nobody cares what you say?
g.gatti@agora.it - 27 Feb 2005 13:53 GMT
> have you noticed that nobody cares what you say?

Who knows?

At least you cared, and this in fact is worse than silence.

But the truth is the truth, it is self-asserting, what can people do
against it?

Floaters will never go away with your wrong methods.

Don't you see that people are miserable following yoru dirty advice?
Mike Tyner - 27 Feb 2005 17:54 GMT
> But the truth is the truth, it is self-asserting

So, why are you here?

-MT
g.gatti@agora.it - 27 Feb 2005 20:12 GMT
> > But the truth is the truth, it is self-asserting
>
> So, why are you here?
>
> -MT

http://TheCentralFixation.com
Mick - 02 Mar 2005 20:01 GMT
Why don´t you read
http://www.miodesopsie.it/miodesopsie_php/Docs/Taussignon.pdf

>> glad to hear that someone actually went to this doctor. I might be
>> interested in the future. The doctor in Florida can make an
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>
>Be sure of that.
g.gatti@agora.it - 02 Mar 2005 20:34 GMT
> Why don´t you read
> http://www.miodesopsie.it/miodesopsie_php/Docs/Taussignon.pdf

I have contacted those people offering help, but they are dumb, they
want to continue to follow the "medical" advice and get no result
whatever,

People is stupid.
 
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