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Dominant eye alternation

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quattrocchi - 01 Feb 2005 09:32 GMT
I have mismatched eyes nowadays and see mostly with one eye (R) for
distance then switching to the L for closeup. I don't seem to have a
dominant eye anymore. The swap is imperceptible by me. Things are in focus
at two points, using either eye. Naturally my 3D perception is limited.

However I wonder is one's 'dominant eye' such a changeable thing, altering
at will depending on the available focus?

I'd heard that it was established early in life and stayed with us.

FWIW I'm -8 or so (L) and -4 (R). The -8 used to be -4 til recently when,
3 years after retinal reatachment, a cataract is now starting to develop.
So the lens seems to be developing a higher and higher index rating. This
is not fully correctable with glasses so I have blurry distance vision and
a focal range of 150mm in that eye. I'm due for cataract surgery (L) in
the public health system here midway through this year. Hope to see better
with L and wear a contact in the R.

Brian

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Dom - 01 Feb 2005 12:18 GMT
> I have mismatched eyes nowadays and see mostly with one eye (R) for
> distance then switching to the L for closeup. I don't seem to have a
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> Brian

It's possible to have a dominant eye that is not your clearest eye. The
dominant eye may have been your clearest eye as a child when your vision
was developing, but as you now know vision can change throughout life.
So while it's still your dominant eye, it's no longer your clearest eye.

AFAIK, the dominant eye does not change once it's set during childhood -
though I don't know this for a 100% fact.

I bet you'll love your new vision with non-cataractous left eye and
contact lens right eye.

Dom
Dan Abel - 01 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT
> AFAIK, the dominant eye does not change once it's set during childhood -
> though I don't know this for a 100% fact.

It isn't going to switch for no reason.  I was right-eyed for most of my
life.  I switched to left-eyed once the cataract in my right eye got bad
enough.  I switched back to right-eyed when I had cataract surgery in the
right eye.

Note that eye-hand coordination is a learned skill.  When you switch eyes
you lose it and have to learn again.

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g.gatti@agora.it - 01 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
love is blind, in fact.
Dr Judy - 01 Feb 2005 16:39 GMT
>I have mismatched eyes nowadays and see mostly with one eye (R) for
> distance then switching to the L for closeup. I don't seem to have a
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>
> I'd heard that it was established early in life and stayed with us.

As a student I did a research paper on eye dominance and found that the
dominant eye depends upon which method of testing dominance you use.  There
are about a dozen different ways to test dominance and, in any individual,
the different ways do not all yield the same eye.  For example, a test of
retinal rivalry will not give the same eye as a test of sighting or a test
of tolerance to blur.

So I would say that is alterable depending upon the situation, and is one of
the reasons that monovision (one eye for distance, one for near) contact
lens correction works.

Dr Judy

> FWIW I'm -8 or so (L) and -4 (R). The -8 used to be -4 til recently when,
> 3 years after retinal reatachment, a cataract is now starting to develop.
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>
> Brian
kemccx@gmail.com - 01 Feb 2005 17:02 GMT
when one eye is set for distance and one for near - what is the
prescription of the near contact lens?  is it relative to the distance
eye?
Dr Judy - 01 Feb 2005 22:40 GMT
> when one eye is set for distance and one for near - what is the
> prescription of the near contact lens?  is it relative to the distance
> eye?

No, determined relative to the distance prescription for the near eye.  The
near lens power is determined by how much "add" the patient needs to read,
then that add is added to the distance power needed in that eye.  Eg:
distance Rx is -3.00, add is +1.00, near lens is then -2.00.

The add used is determined by the fitter using trial contact lenses.
Selection depends upon the patient's bifocal add, what type of near work is
done and how much distance blur the patient can tolerate.

Dr judy
Andrew Chew - 05 Feb 2005 10:11 GMT
>> when one eye is set for distance and one for near - what is the
>> prescription of the near contact lens?  is it relative to the distance
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>
> Dr judy

I suffer from mild myopia, average -2.5 D. I enquired with my optician on
what prescription to use for a pair of reading glasses, so that I don't have
to accommodate and she suggested +1.5 to the existing prescription. I wonder
if this is suitable for use with computers since it's recommended to sit as
far back from the monitor as possible.
Dr Judy - 05 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT
>>> when one eye is set for distance and one for near - what is the
>>> prescription of the near contact lens?  is it relative to the distance
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> wonder if this is suitable for use with computers since it's recommended
> to sit as far back from the monitor as possible.

It depends upon your age and the distance viewed.  If you do not want to
accommodate at all (why is this your goal?), then you need a  +2.00 or +2.50
add  for the usual near viewing distance of 16 to 18 inches, +1.50 ad for a
computer at 20 to 22 inches and +1.00 add for a computer at 24 to 30 inches.

It doesn't matter what your distance Rx is, these are all specified as adds.
For example, if you are a 2.50 myope, reading at 16 inches the add is +2.50
and the resultant (-2.50 +2.50) is zero, ie take your glasses off.  For the
computer at 28 inches the resultant (-2.50 +1.00) is -1.50 readers.

Be sure to have your eye examiner demonstrate the resultant single vision
reading glasses in a trial frame and check the actual range of clear vision
to make sure it suits you.

Dr Judy
Andrew Chew - 05 Feb 2005 19:45 GMT
>> I suffer from mild myopia, average -2.5 D. I enquired with my optician on
>> what prescription to use for a pair of reading glasses, so that I don't
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> ad for a computer at 20 to 22 inches and +1.00 add for a computer at 24 to
> 30 inches.

I'm hoping my myopia will improve if I accommodate less. Will see how it
goes...
Dr Judy - 06 Feb 2005 19:12 GMT
>>> I suffer from mild myopia, average -2.5 D. I enquired with my optician
>>> on what prescription to use for a pair of reading glasses, so that I
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> I'm hoping my myopia will improve if I accommodate less. Will see how it
> goes...

There is no evidence that reducing accommodation will reverse myopia.  There
is some evidence that near work is a factor in the development of myopia in
the first place,  however, it is not clear that accommodation is the reason
for the near work factor.  Family history of myopia explains about 85% of
myopia.

If you think you have pseudo myopia, ask your eye doctor next time you are
in for an exam to do a cycloplegic refraction.   The difference, if any,
between your non cycloplegic and your cycloplegic refraction is the maximum
amount of myopia you can expect to reduce by not accommodating.

Dr Judy
Andrew Chew - 07 Feb 2005 15:43 GMT
> If you think you have pseudo myopia, ask your eye doctor next time you are
> in for an exam to do a cycloplegic refraction.   The difference, if any,
> between your non cycloplegic and your cycloplegic refraction is the
> maximum amount of myopia you can expect to reduce by not accommodating.

Good idea. I'll be doing that soon.
Rishi Giovanni Gatti - 07 Feb 2005 20:34 GMT
> > If you think you have pseudo myopia, ask your eye doctor next time you are
> > in for an exam to do a cycloplegic refraction.   The difference, if any,
> > between your non cycloplegic and your cycloplegic refraction is the
> > maximum amount of myopia you can expect to reduce by not accommodating.
>
> Good idea. I'll be doing that soon.

Don't be idiotic.

Let them remain in their harmful ignorance.

You remain pure, don't let them ruin your eyes with chemicals.

It's very easy to learn how to see again, just study the books and
start the practice of the rest methods.
John Hasenkam - 09 Feb 2005 01:25 GMT
Laughter plays tricks with your eyes
http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1294404.htm

...
"Normally people just don't see both [versions] at the same time," he says.

But when you laugh the images blend together and the illusion is lost
leaving only a flat 2D drawing.
...

> >>> I suffer from mild myopia, average -2.5 D. I enquired with my optician
> >>> on what prescription to use for a pair of reading glasses, so that I
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>
> Dr Judy
Philip D Izaac - 06 Feb 2005 04:30 GMT
Hey Andrew, Its great to see someone from Singapore on this newsgroup.

With a +1.50 Add you will not need to accomodate when looking at an object
at 66.66 cm. You will however have to accomodate when looking closer.

Roland J. Izaac
Optometrist
Singapore

> >> when one eye is set for distance and one for near - what is the
> >> prescription of the near contact lens?  is it relative to the distance
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> if this is suitable for use with computers since it's recommended to sit as
> far back from the monitor as possible.
Andrew Chew - 06 Feb 2005 05:27 GMT
> Hey Andrew, Its great to see someone from Singapore on this newsgroup.
>
> With a +1.50 Add you will not need to accomodate when looking at an object
> at 66.66 cm. You will however have to accomodate when looking closer.

66.66 cm seems pretty decent. The Singapore Health Promotion Board
recommends at least 50 cm from the monitor and 30 cm for regular reading
materials.
Philip D Izaac - 06 Feb 2005 08:45 GMT
> > Hey Andrew, Its great to see someone from Singapore on this newsgroup.
> >
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> recommends at least 50 cm from the monitor and 30 cm for regular reading
> materials.

For a young kid with short arms, maybe; I would keep reading materials at
least 40 cm. away
At this distance (with your 1.50 add) you would still need to accomodate by
1.00D

Have you read the COMET study?

Roland J. Izaac
Andrew Chew - 06 Feb 2005 10:12 GMT
> For a young kid with short arms, maybe; I would keep reading materials at
> least 40 cm. away
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>
> Have you read the COMET study?

http://www.nei.nih.gov/neitrials/static/study9.asp
Yes, they seem to have concluded plus lenses only help in the first year on
wearing them, then the eye adapts or something.

I also read that  chicks which were made to wear plus lenses became
hyperopic and those wearing minus lenses became myopic. See
http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaPrimer.html under "Animal models
for myopia & emmetropization". So it's actually possible to induce myopia &
hyperopia just by wearing wrong prescriptions?
Dr Judy - 06 Feb 2005 19:21 GMT
> http://www.nei.nih.gov/neitrials/static/study9.asp
> Yes, they seem to have concluded plus lenses only help in the first year
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> for myopia & emmetropization". So it's actually possible to induce myopia
> & hyperopia just by wearing wrong prescriptions?

Only  in neonates (newborns).  Those experiments were done with newly
hatched chicks who were forced to wear high (10D) power lenses to simulate
being born with high refractive error.  Both The simulated myopes (wearing
+10) and the simulated hyperopes (-10) altered eye growth so that the
eye/lens system had a net refractive error approaching zero. This process is
called emmetropization and no relevance to the development and/or correction
of refractive error in non neonates.

In humans, babies born with large refractive do the same thing so that by
age 2 or 3, most children do not have significant refractive error.
Emmetropization does not occur after age 3 to 4, which is why refractive
error that develops after that age is not self correcting and people need
glasses.

Those who advocate using plus lenses to reverse myopia in adults ignore the
fact that it would only be effective in babies and toddlers.

Dr Judy
Rishi Giovanni Gatti - 07 Feb 2005 20:36 GMT
> In humans, babies born with large refractive do the same thing so that by
> age 2 or 3, most children do not have significant refractive error.
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>
> Dr Judy

Although you have never witnessed it, there are thousands of people
who are recovering from refractive errors just by rest methods.

It is very easy to do it temporarily, more difficult to do it
permanently.

Continued treatment brings about a complete cure if the patient
continues.
 
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