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Cataract surgery recovery--glare

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Diane M - 21 Jan 2005 23:33 GMT
I had cataract surgery several days ago.  For the most part, I'm seeing
much better. I'm trying to get used to the brightness of everything, but
I'm thankful that I can see so clearly.  I'm having a problem, though,
which I'm hoping is just part of the healing process.  At night
especially, if I look at anything that radiates light, I see a beam of
light going through it.  My husband and I went to town last night, and
it was very difficult to keep my eyes open, as there was a beam of light
eminating through everything---street lights, headlights, stop lights,
etc.  I noticed this morning that the same thing applies if I look at
any shiny object--faucets, for one thing.  Is this the way it's going to
be from now on?  If so, I'll have a terrible time at night.  I'm
thankful for any information.

Diane M
Dan Abel - 22 Jan 2005 00:05 GMT
> I had cataract surgery several days ago.  For the most part, I'm seeing
> much better. I'm trying to get used to the brightness of everything, but
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> be from now on?  If so, I'll have a terrible time at night.  I'm
> thankful for any information.

Are you speaking of halos?  I had them after my second cataract surgery,
but not the first.  Either they went away, or I just don't notice them
anymore (it's over two years since the surgery).  I asked my doctor, but I
don't remember exactly what she said, but I think she admitted that they
are an occasional side effect of the surgery.

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Diane M - 22 Jan 2005 01:07 GMT
>>I had cataract surgery several days ago.  For the most part, I'm seeing
>>much better. I'm trying to get used to the brightness of everything, but
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> don't remember exactly what she said, but I think she admitted that they
> are an occasional side effect of the surgery.

Nope, no halos--just a light beam eminating from the light source.  A
red stop light has a long red ray coming out either side.  I'm hoping
it's part of the healing process that some people have.  Thanks for
answering.

Diane
George - 25 Jan 2005 15:06 GMT
> >>I had cataract surgery several days ago.  For the most part, I'm seeing
> >>much better. I'm trying to get used to the brightness of everything, but
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >>be from now on?  If so, I'll have a terrible time at night.  I'm
> >>thankful for any information.

Hi Diane,

Had same problem after my cataract surgery  a few years ago. Complained to my
doc about it.  After enough complaining from me he said it was probably a small
crease in IOL due to folding.  He said that unless I was in serious difficulty
he would not recommend replacing it.  He said (and I agree) that removal is much
more risky and should only be done in emergency.  Replacing an IOL is not as
easy as putting it in. Some on this news group will disagree but IMHO eye
surgery is risky and should be avoided as much as possible. In my case, as time
passed the problem lessened.  After a few weeks it grew to be only a nuisance.
Now, several years later, I hardly notice it in daylight.  Only a little worse
at night.  I can drive and only a little glare problem now. My theory is that
the crease gradually flattened out. I have 20/20 in that eye now.

It's good to be concerned.  I suggest you keep you Doc informed.  If it doesn't
begin to subside in a reasonable time, then consider your options.  But first
give it some time.

George
rfarmer_98@yahoo.com - 25 Jan 2005 15:42 GMT
I had cataract surgery 07/03 and 08/04.  I have photo sensitive to it
seems everything.  I have gone to 35 doctors with no help.  It has
caused headaches in back of eyes and forehead.  I have had MRI & MRA.
They say my eyes look good.  No dry eyes.  They can not find anything.
I feel like I am 100% disabled.  I am still not giving up.
Please let me know what you found.  I am 59.  Athletic but spend 10
hours a day on a computer.  I am a CPA.
rfarmer_98@yahoo.com - 25 Jan 2005 16:56 GMT
Diane,
I am very interested in your progress.  I started out with dizzy
spells. I thought it was inter ear.  then I thought it was my brain.
Its a good life.  I realized it was my cataract surgery.  I am photo
sensitive to fluorescent light, tv, movies, glare, computer monitors,
bright lights, reflections.  I am not dizzy anymore.   it progressed
into headaches 24/7 (it feels like eye strain) from the lights.   this
started 02/15/04 and I still have the problem.  If you would like to
correspond.  I am going to Jules Stein 2/17 to see about the problem.
You are the only person I have found that I think has my problem.  I
have always been in top shape.  And now this.  Does the affect you on
the computer?
talk to you later,
Richard
rfarmer_98@yahoo.com
Diane M - 26 Jan 2005 02:52 GMT
I thank all of you for your responses.  The glare I had was temporary in
my right eye, and all is okay now.  Today I had the other eye done, so
don't know what to expect this time.

Diane
David Robins, MD - 26 Jan 2005 07:27 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me how soon some surgeons will operate on the
second eye (in this case about 1 week between).

No chance for the patient to really recover, as some complications such as
macular edema may not show up for 4-8 weeks. If the same thing happens both
eyes, ...

There is rarely a need for such close surgery. Also, the patient may be
comfortable having operated only 1 eye, once they have glasses later on. Tin
this case, there is no chance to see whether surgery is indicated based on
symptoms. Myself, my earliest second eye surgery, except in cases where the
eye REALLY bothers a lot, is at least 3 months later, getting past the hump
of the typical cystoid macular edema risk.

Of course, I am assuming they operated on the more symptomatic eye first.

Many are not aware of the decreased vision in the unoperated eye unless they
cover the other eye, in which case no particular reason to operate until
there are symptoms. Some are bothered by the second eye when both are open,
leading to needing surgery.

This is my opinion, and is shared by many  conservative surgeons.


David Robins, MD
Board certified Ophthalmologist
Pediatric and strabismus subspecialty
Member of AAPOS
(American Academy of Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus)

On 1/25/05 6:52 PM, in article
XBDJd.5937$r27.5491@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Diane M"
<dianem37@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I thank all of you for your responses.  The glare I had was temporary in
> my right eye, and all is okay now.  Today I had the other eye done, so
> don't know what to expect this time.
>
> Diane
George - 26 Jan 2005 18:12 GMT
My surgeon is very conservative and advised me to wait at least a year
or until there are symptoms. Note that cataract progression may not be
the same in both eyes.  I totally agree with him.  He laughingly remarks
about the Florida surgeons that  perform cataract surgery on that older
group of people down there at the drop of a hat... whether they need it or not.

George

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> It never ceases to amaze me how soon some surgeons will operate on the
> second eye (in this case about 1 week between).
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> Member of AAPOS
> (American Academy of Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus)

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Diane M - 30 Jan 2005 00:17 GMT
> It never ceases to amaze me how soon some surgeons will operate on the
> second eye (in this case about 1 week between).
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> Member of AAPOS
> (American Academy of Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus)

 Dr. Robins, I have no doubt you are a fine surgeon.  However, I would
have gone ballistic if my doctor had suggested I wait 3 months for the
second surgery.  It was very distracting having one eye with a new lens
and the other with a lens that made me think I was looking through smog.

My family doctor, an internist, said that I needed to get my cataracts
taken care of, as he had difficulty seeing to the back of the eye during
my yearly physical.  He suggested I see the ophthamologist who is
considered the best eye surgeon in town.  Right now the first eye that
was operated on is just fine after nearly two weeks.  The glare cleared
up shortly after I posted here.  The other eye was operated on four days
ago.  I have some glare, but I'm not concerned about it. I haven't seen
this clearly since I was a young woman.

I knew several years ago that my congenital cataracts were starting to
change,  and I'm sure that I had them removed at the right time.  I know
several people who have had theirs removed, and only one person has had
problems.

Diane M
David Robins, MD - 31 Jan 2005 02:57 GMT
Actually, most people do fine while waiting for their second eye, if they
are given the chance to adapt, which takes a few weeks. However, there are
some who cannot adapt, and do need surgery sooner.

My point is that it in my experience, it is the EXCEPTION that one NEEDS
surgery soon, and that most are operated on the second eye as a matter of
fact, just to do it. Yours may not have been that. That is what makes
medicine interesting.

-David Robins, MD

On 1/29/05 4:17 PM, in article
WIVKd.1115$Nn1.88@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Diane M"
<dianem37@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> It never ceases to amaze me how soon some surgeons will operate on the
>> second eye (in this case about 1 week between).
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>
> Diane M
kemccx@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2005 12:21 GMT
are you saying that after one eye is operated on, your eyes adapt to
the vision? I have a cataract in my second eye that I do not want
removed now (very small not affecting vision yet).  The only difference
I see between the 2 eyes is the slight yellow tint in the second eye -
will I get used to this difference? it's been about 4 weeks.
David Robins, MD - 01 Feb 2005 07:30 GMT
If you dwell on the difference, and keep comparing one eye to the opther by
covering 1 eye and checking, no you will never get used to it. Under normal
circumstnaces, most (but not all) people can adapt to the eye-to-eye
difference if it is not too much. However, if the blurry vision is is one's
dominant eye, brain does not like to get used to paying more attention to
the other (nondominant) eye.

The slight yellowish tint is the easiest symptom to get used to, in most
cases.

However, some people, engineers in particular, are so constantly observant
that nothing lets them get used to anything.

On 1/31/05 4:21 AM, in article
1107174106.930657.177500@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "kemccx@gmail.com"

> are you saying that after one eye is operated on, your eyes adapt to
> the vision? I have a cataract in my second eye that I do not want
> removed now (very small not affecting vision yet).  The only difference
> I see between the 2 eyes is the slight yellow tint in the second eye -
> will I get used to this difference? it's been about 4 weeks.
George - 04 Feb 2005 17:26 GMT
> If you dwell on the difference, and keep comparing one eye to the opther by
> covering 1 eye and checking, no you will never get used to it. Under normal
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> However, some people, engineers in particular, are so constantly observant
> that nothing lets them get used to anything.

My OD feels the same way.  He says engineers, scientists, and professors are
the worst patients because they are constantly looking at fine detail,
comparing things, and so on, with their eyes.  Damn! I'm all three <grin>...
But knowing I would not give up asking him about it, he admitted that there was
a slight crease in my IOL that might be causing glare. Fortunately it seemed to
diminish over time. Now I have another problem...a worsening case of  vitreous
detachment that is clouding my vision... much like a floater.  Sure wish there
was a remedy for that!!

George
Dan Abel - 31 Jan 2005 20:51 GMT
> > It never ceases to amaze me how soon some surgeons will operate on the
> > second eye (in this case about 1 week between).
> >
> > No chance for the patient to really recover, as some complications such as
> > macular edema may not show up for 4-8 weeks. If the same thing happens both
> > eyes, ...

>   Dr. Robins, I have no doubt you are a fine surgeon.  However, I would
> have gone ballistic if my doctor had suggested I wait 3 months for the
> second surgery.  It was very distracting having one eye with a new lens
> and the other with a lens that made me think I was looking through smog.

No way would I want it done much sooner than 3 months.  "Very distracting"
is no competition for blind in both eyes.  I wouldn't put my second eye to
any risk until I knew that the first one was OK.

It wasn't an issue for me, though.  It was five long years after the first
surgery before my doctor OKed the second.

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susandala - 31 Jan 2005 21:54 GMT
my mother [85] had cataract surgery on one eye[ 1 1/2 yrs ago], then
months later was convinced to do the 2nd. she has since had terrible
unremitting problems with glare. she had had thyroid problems
previously, and does have a dry eye it seems; both can be contributing.
nothing helps, and she has always taken a lot of refuge in typing
letters, reading, crosswords, scrabble  etc.;  much harder now. she's
started to use a cane, because she can't tell where the curb is. here i
just read that there can be macular edema after surgery.. is this due
to the surgery? she has since been diagnosed with age related slow mac.
deg.; i had thought maybe this was because of the change in diet due to
coumadin [and thus decrease in anti-oxidants] as well as previous tx
for the hyperthyroid. now i'm wondering if mac. deg. can proceed from
mac. edema. she  thinks everyone thinks she's a crazy person, because
she feels she 'can't see', yet her eye tests don't say her vision is
failing until the recently diag. mac/ deg.; she was in seeing her
cataract doc almost monthly with complaints.    she went to a 'top
notch' tufts related doc, who never said anything about mac. deg. as to
why she was having such trouble. a local non surgical opthamologist has
just diag. mac. deg. this fall.
susandala - 31 Jan 2005 21:57 GMT
who and where is Jules stein?
Neil Brooks - 31 Jan 2005 22:01 GMT
> who and where is Jules stein?

a) Would it be possible for you to quote (include the text to which you're
replying) in your posts?  I'm having difficulty when hearing only 'one side
of the conversation.'

b) Jules Stein is University of California at Los Angeles's Eye Institute.
Excellent reputation:

 http://www.jsei.org/

Best,

Neil
susandala - 31 Jan 2005 22:05 GMT
where is jules stein, and what does he do. we are in MA.
Neil Brooks - 31 Jan 2005 22:14 GMT
> where is jules stein, and what does he do. we are in MA.

a) Would it be possible for you to quote (include the text to which you're
replying) in your posts?  I'm having difficulty when hearing only 'one side
of the conversation.'

b) Jules Stein is University of California at Los Angeles's Eye Institute.
Excellent reputation:

 http://www.jsei.org/

Best,

Neil
kemccx@gmail.com - 01 Feb 2005 03:50 GMT
Dan - aren't you the person who wore a contact lens in your second eye
until that eye required surgery?  Are you saying you did this for 5
years?  I've only done it now for 2 months, and it's driving me crazy!
I realize now how much easier a pair of glasses can be.
Dan Abel - 01 Feb 2005 21:32 GMT
> Dan - aren't you the person who wore a contact lens in your second eye
> until that eye required surgery?  Are you saying you did this for 5
> years?  I've only done it now for 2 months, and it's driving me crazy!
> I realize now how much easier a pair of glasses can be.

Sort of.  My doctor prescribed contacts well before my first surgery.  He
said that it would be better to know before hand whether I could wear
contacts.  He also said that it was possible that once I got used to
contacts, I would prefer them.  That turned out to be true, and so I wore
contacts for several years before the first surgery.  After the first
surgery, I still had astigmatism, and so wore a -10D contact in one eye
and a plano contact with 1.75D of cylinder in the other.  And yes, it was
five years until the second surgery, and as promised, I saw double when I
wore glasses, so I wore the contacts 7 days a week, 14 hours a day.

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