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Medical Forum / General / Vision / January 2005Detached retina and weight training
Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm blind in one eye and very short sighted in the other (-5.5) and I'm concerned that my training might cause a detached retina in my one useful eye. Am I just being paranoid? Has anyone heard of a detached retina occuring during weight training? What normally causes a detached retina? TIA. > Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring > during weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > TIA. Fighting in the gym. Picking your nose whilst doing dumbell curls.  SignatureLordy Lordy <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote in news:Xns95E2ECC96C684lordybigfootcom@ 130.133.1.4: >> Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring >> during weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Fighting in the gym. > Picking your nose whilst doing dumbell curls. www.google.com -> "detached retina" -> http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/retinaldetach/index.asp SignatureLordy > Lordy <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote in news:Xns95E2ECC96C684lordybigfootcom@ > 130.133.1.4: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > www.google.com -> "detached retina" -> > http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/retinaldetach/index.asp http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/retinadetach.htm See your doctor / optometrist SignatureLordy > http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/retinadetach.htm > > See your doctor / optometrist Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. Not an optometrist (OD). > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > Not an optometrist (OD). And you would know because? The majority of dilated examinations in the US are performed by optometrists. Do you visit an oral surgeon to get cavities filled? -MT, OD > > Only an (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > > Not an optometrist (OD). > And you would know because? > The majority of dilated examinations in the US are performed by > optometrists. Do you visit an oral surgeon to get cavities filled? > -MT, OD An ophthalmologist will have seen more detachments. My /optometrist/ mis-diagnosed my detached retina. I presented with a strange part-disc-shaped thing at the extremity of my vision in one eye and she reported a floater 'I can see it'. Also she completed an eye exam in both eyes and discussed lenses options with me. She seemed very confident in her floater diagnosis. Two days later I was in hospital with a retina pulling away from my macula. Interesting thing about the surgery: I have it on tape from the feed from the surgeon's scope. Interested anyone? Brian > > > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > > > Not an optometrist (OD). > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > -MT, OD An OD may be trained to recognize a detached retina, but an ophthalmologist is a lot more knowledgeable about the causes and prevention. I suppose you are going to tell me that an OD is better than a ophthalmologist to repair a detached retina? > I suppose you > are going to tell me that an OD is better than a > ophthalmologist to repair a detached retina? Are all ophthalmologists equally qualified? So I should get a break when the jury decides I missed a detachment. After all, I'm just an optometrist. -MT > Are all ophthalmologists equally qualified? > > So I should get a break when the jury decides I missed a detachment. After > all, I'm just an optometrist. My optometrist missed the detachment. He diagnosed it as something else. However he absolved himself in my eyes by referring me to a well qualified ophthalmologist who diagnosed the detachment. SignatureCharles >My /optometrist/ mis-diagnosed my detached retina. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Brian Brian, I'am truly sorry to hear this. I hope the loss of vision was not significant. I would like to see your surgery. E-mail me with your server address or maybe you could post it to one of the binary groups. Thanks For everyone else, I'am an independent optician who fills Rxs from ophthalmologists, and have done so for 32 years, so if I'am biased it's towards the OMDs. I have seen, on more than one occasion, pathology that was detected by an OD that was missed by an OMD. Because of this and many other factors I believe it would be accurate to say that an experienced OD that performs a thorough examination will detect pathology at essentially the same level as an OMD. In addition, ODs will usually write a better Rx for opthalmic lenses than OMDs, especially when prism or other complex lenses are prescribed. However, I would recommend OMDs over ODs when diagnosing age related pathology i.e. glaucoma and AMD, because of their experience working with that age group. If I had to generalize I would say that if you are under age sixty with a low risk family history and are in good health one should choose and OD for their eyecare, and an OMD otherwise. Robert Martellaro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Optician/Owner Roberts Optical robopt@execpc.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself." - Richard Feynman Yes I'm interested too, Thanks, I hope all goes well with you. Alll the best. Roland J. Izaac > >My /optometrist/ mis-diagnosed my detached retina. > > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > "Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself." > - Richard Feynman >> I'am truly sorry to hear this. I hope the loss of vision was not >> significant. I would like to see your surgery. E-mail me with your >> server address or maybe you could post it to one of the binary groups. > Yes I'm interested too, Thanks, I hope all goes well with you. Alll the > best. Thanks. I have some interesting gif animations I made from the video. That's all I think I can offer atm. I'll dig them out. Brian >> > Only an (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. >> > Not an optometrist (OD). [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >She seemed very confident in her floater diagnosis. Two days later I was >in hospital with a retina pulling away from my macula. Interesting.. I had just the same thing with what we here call an optician.. "I can see it".. "the floater that you're looking through".. turned out it was a tumour! Ann An Optician did an eye exam? Where are you residing? I hope everything turns out well for you. all the very best. Roland J. Izaac > >> > Only an (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > >> > Not an optometrist (OD). [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ann > > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > > Not an optometrist (OD). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The majority of dilated examinations in the US are performed by > optometrists. Do you visit an oral surgeon to get cavities filled? Umm. Detached retinas are *not* something that an optometrist is qualified to treat, and are *not* comparable to cavities in seriousness. Only an ophthalmologist (a form of medical doctor) is qualified or legally permitted to treat such things as detached retinas, which requires surgery. Optometrists are legally allowed to prescribe and fit eyeglasses, but not to perform surgery. > Only an ophthalmologist (a form of medical doctor) is qualified or > legally permitted to treat such things as detached retinas, which > requires surgery. The original comment was that optometrists are not qualified to give advice. I disagree. I don't know any optometrists who want to repair retinal detachments. -MT, OD > > http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/retinadetach.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that subject. > Not an optometrist (OD). Oh, for goodness sake, let's not start on that. I have diagnosed many retinal detachments, holes, and breaks during my career. It is not that difficult, especially if one dilates the eyes and uses the proper ophthalmoscope. Insofar as repairs go, of course optometrists don't do that, but neither do many ophthalmologists. In my area, the vast majority of repairs are done by the retinal subspecialist. I once had the good fortune of doing grand rounds with a local retinal specialist, as I had come to think that I was "over-referring" patients to the subspecialist. What I found was an entire day of patients who were referred mostly by the general ophthalmologists in the area for the very same conditions I had been referring, with an equal number of false positive referrals. BUT, better to be safe than sorry. With optometrists performing the majority of eye exams in the U.S. (by virtue of numbers and distribution) you can be darn sure that they are trained to diagnose retinal detachments. DrG > > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that > > subject. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > career. It is not that difficult, especially if one dilates the eyes > and uses the proper ophthalmoscope. Hrm. Tell that to my mom's quack, a board-certified ophthalmologist, who treated her for 5 years for nonexistent AMD and missed the macular hole in one eye and the macular bubble in the other. I know, I've done a lot of bitching about this jerk, but how on earth do you know when a doc is a quack if he seems to have all his ducks in a row? It's scary when you can't trust the experts... SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================== "The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide before executing them." -Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections > > I have diagnosed many retinal detachments, holes, and breaks during my > > career. It is not that difficult, especially if one dilates the eyes > > and uses the proper ophthalmoscope. Maybe you can diagnose a retinal detachment, but apparently you cannot read. The original poster is not looking for a diagnosis of an existing situation, he is looking for advice about the possibility of a detachment occurring during strenuous physical activity. > > > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that > > > subject. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you know when a doc is a quack if he seems to have all his ducks in a > row? It's scary when you can't trust the experts... Doctors are human, and not all are equally good. So, always get a second opinion, even if you don't call it that. > > > > Only an ophthalmologist (Dr) is qualified to give advice on that > > > > subject. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Doctors are human, and not all are equally good. So, always get a > second opinion, even if you don't call it that. From whom? The jerk's partner? Every time you go to one doctor, duplicate the visit with a different doctor and then do it again if there's a disagreement? Somebody on line will sell me information about the doctor of my choice -- complaints, disciplinary action, patient comments, etc. Why can't we just check with the licensing board ourselves for NO charge? Look, my mom being unable to drive or read the newspaper or even read the goddam basketball scores on her 36" TV set is not YOUR fault, but if your idea about second opinions has any value at all you have to do it every single time you visit any doctor. My mom trusted this bastard for over 10 years. He's board certified. He's respected by other doctors. She's had glare problems ever since he did her cataracts -- which he told her is normal. I want the bastard's head on a platter, but there's no way on earth I can get it. SignatureCheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Of course SoCal has four seasons: Earthquake, Mudslide, Brushfire, and Riot > > [snip] > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > comments, etc. Why can't we just check with the licensing board > ourselves for NO charge? Most of the time, the problem isn't that the doctor is a quack, it's that he's mistaken. So, while checking with the licence board can't hurt, it won't often help. Nor can civilians tell a good doctor from a bad doctor, until far too late. Even if the doctor is a jerk, his partners may succeed where he has failed. I always arrange things so I eventually see multiple doctors from a given practice. If they all agree, your chances are much improved. > Look, my mom being unable to drive or read the newspaper or even read > the goddam basketball scores on her 36" TV set is not YOUR fault, but if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > She's had glare problems ever since he did her cataracts -- which he > told her is normal. Ten years? One second opinion at year one or two probably would have done the job. It sounds like the doctor couldn't see through the cataracts. > I want the bastard's head on a platter, but there's no way on earth I > can get it. So, the court didn't agree with you? Second opinions may be a bad approach, but no better approach is available. If it takes a thief to catch a thief, it takes a doctor to catch a doctor. Joe Gwinn > > > [snip] > > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > from a given practice. If they all agree, your chances are much > improved. One ophthalmologist, one optometrist, a lot of assistants. Not practical. > > Look, my mom being unable to drive or read the newspaper or even read > > the goddam basketball scores on her 36" TV set is not YOUR fault, but if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > done the job. It sounds like the doctor couldn't see through the > cataracts. She didn't know any better. He's a nice man. She trusted him. > > I want the bastard's head on a platter, but there's no way on earth I > > can get it. > > So, the court didn't agree with you? Yeah, right! > Second opinions may be a bad approach, but no better approach is > available. If it takes a thief to catch a thief, it takes a doctor to > catch a doctor. In my dreams. I told the quack's receptionist that my family would NOT be coming back because of his "treatment" of my mom. I also discussed this with the new retinal specialist, who said that the quack was a respected member of the profession and that he had previously sent his own brother to him. Later on he phoned me and spent considerable time explaining that the quack was a respected member blablabla. He was unwilling to ask the quack (over 85) to retire, which would have satisfied me. I suppose I could walk up and down outside his office carrying a big sign saying 'Ask me how Dr. X let my mom go blind' but that probably IS actionable. SignatureCheers, Bev [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. --Revolution Books, New York, New York > She didn't know any better. He's a nice man. She trusted him. Moms are kind of like that. When I was a kid, we had a family doctor, Dr. Fred Judy. He did *everything*. My mom had a whole bunch of things wrong with her, and she had a standing appointment with him every Friday morning. She was very unhappy when he retired, even though she admitted that since he did *everything*, he wasn't very good at *anything*. He repaired my hernia, which was major surgery. The scar looked like hell for decades. I had to have the surgery redone (not his fault), and you can barely tell that I ever had surgery there. I had allergies, and he did the testing and prescribing. When I went off to college, I took my allergy stuff, which required injection, to the student health center. I had to see the doctor, to get it OKed. He wanted to know why the heck I hadn't gone to ABC & XYZ, very competent allergy specialists in my home town. I had no clue, of course. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net > > She didn't know any better. He's a nice man. She trusted him. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for decades. I had to have the surgery redone (not his fault), and you > can barely tell that I ever had surgery there. I suspect the days where The Family Doctor also does surgery are numbered. While I like my own personal GP, from his skill (NONE!) at removing a yucca spike from my leg I conclude that cutting is not his forte. > I had allergies, and he > did the testing and prescribing. When I went off to college, I took my > allergy stuff, which required injection, to the student health center. I > had to see the doctor, to get it OKed. He wanted to know why the heck I > hadn't gone to ABC & XYZ, very competent allergy specialists in my home > town. I had no clue, of course. I have to wonder if stuff like that is ego ("Hey, I don' need no steenkin' experts, I know what I'm doing") or pure incompetence/ignorance. It's truly amazing that we have no way at all to determine whether a given doctor is competent or not. If that website that offers to sell information about a given doctor (lost the URL, unfortunately) can find out about complaints to licensing agencies, reprimands, lawsuits, etc., why can't we? I figured my mom's quack was probably OK for diagnosis, but I certainly wouldn't let him operate on any of us. He wasn't even competent for diagnosis. SignatureCheers, Bev ==================================================================== "My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant lifeform had no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt." > > Moms are kind of like that. When I was a kid, we had a family doctor, Dr. > > Fred Judy. He did *everything*. My mom had a whole bunch of things wrong [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > for decades. I had to have the surgery redone (not his fault), and you > > can barely tell that I ever had surgery there. > I suspect the days where The Family Doctor also does surgery are > numbered. I suspect that those days are over already. My mother was unhappy when the guy retired, but since she's been dead over 30 years, he must have retired a long time ago. > > had to see the doctor, to get it OKed. He wanted to know why the heck I > > hadn't gone to ABC & XYZ, very competent allergy specialists in my home [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > steenkin' experts, I know what I'm doing") or pure > incompetence/ignorance. Or whether things were just different in the old days. To be honest, the guy was a certified surgeon. I don't know why he worked as a GP, but he definitely didn't do much surgery. SignatureDan Abel Sonoma State University AIS dabel@sonic.net >Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during >weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >TIA. If you strain too hard to make a lift, your eyes could literally pop right out of your head. ----------- Proton Soup "Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane > If you strain too hard to make a lift, your eyes could literally pop > right out of your head. This is why we come to MFW. All this great medical info!! Thanks man!! >>Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during >>weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >If you strain too hard to make a lift, your eyes could literally pop >right out of your head. Not to mention the rectal prolapse. SignatureJMW http://www.rustyiron.net >>>Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during >>>weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Not to mention the rectal prolapse. Ugh, don't remind me. ----------- Proton Soup "Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane > >>>Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during > >>>weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ugh, don't remind me. lol What's this? > What normally causes a detached retina? Usually physical impact, in the presence of a pre-existing condition like retinal break or lattice degeneration. If your doctor does a dilated exam and finds none of these conditions, then your risk is lower. If you don't get elbowed in the eye, your risk is lower. Weight training is not normally a "high-risk" sport, like boxing. -MT, OD > Is there a significantly increased risk of a detached retina occuring during > weight training? I ask this because I do some resistance training and I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Has anyone heard of a detached retina occuring during weight training? What > normally causes a detached retina? Nearsightedness. Family history. Age. Blows to the head. > TIA. http://www.kellogg.umich.edu/patientcare/conditions/detached.retina.html You already know about the danger of being nearsighted. As one myopic to another, not much we can do about that (that is, eye surgery might "cure" nearsightedness but would do nothing about its shape contributing to detached retina). Family history ditto. The other danger is trauma. Don't take up boxing. Weight training is about the safest decent exercise around. If you're concerned about detached retinas, look it up. <rolls eyes> New to the web? Go to http://www.google.com Enter these words: cause "detached retina" and hit the Google search button. Kermit what is treatment and prevention? please, useful things, not butcher's lies. The retina is a light-sensitive membrane lying on, and loosely attached to the back of the eye. A heavy blow to the head (especially the eye itself) might make some of it rip off from the back of the eye. The clear liquid in the eye fills in the gap. The retina still "sees" light, but the detached, floating part is no longer in the right place to have images focused on it. The eye lens focuses what you see on the back of the eye, and the detached part of the retina is no longer there. The person suffering from this might see a curtain-like blurring obscuring part of his vision in one eye, and it may shift slightly as he looks around. They have some success using lasers. They "weld" the retina back on to the eye in very small spots. If this is not done, more and more of the retina can become detached. This is fairly safe; it does not require opening the eye. If the problem is from trauma, this may fix the problem permanently - if there is no more serious trauma (injuries) to the eye. Kermit what is the rate of retinal detachment and imprfect sight (use of glasses) compared to perfect sight (non use of glasses)? Please go to a retinal specialist and get an indirect ophthalmoscopy done (full retinal exam) The ophhalmologist will examine the whole retina thoroughly and check if there are any weak spots. Please go to a retinal specialist and get an indirect ophthalmoscopy done (full retinal exam) The ophhalmologist will examine the whole retina thoroughly and check if there are any weak spots.
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