My eyes are changing! argh! I now have OD +0.25 -0.50 04 O5(or is that OS? 0.50 - 0.75 175 I currently wear bi-focals but I'm looking into progressive lens as I work on a computer and I hate changing from my regular glasses to a reading glass. Someone told me that progressives are better while another person said that my reading vision will be limited. I bought a pair of the progressives but I feel like I'm in a time warp..everything is like 3D. I was even walking sideways! I don't like not being able to read a whole sentence (one line) in a book; the very middle of a sentence is clear while the edges are blurred! I'm not sure if I need to have my eyes re-examined or go back to bi-focals. On my older bi-focals I didn't have anything in the top part as my vision was clear..just hated to wear the glasses on a chain..so I went to the bi-focals! lol What do you think??
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> My eyes are changing! argh! I now have OD +0.25 -0.50 04 O5(or is that OS? 0.50 - 0.75 175 I currently wear bi-focals but I'm looking into
progressive lens as I work on a computer and I hate changing from my regular
glasses to a reading glass. Someone told me that progressives are better
while another person said that my reading vision will be limited. I bought
a pair of the progressives but I feel like I'm in a time warp..everything is
like 3D. I was even walking sideways! I don't like not being able to read
a whole sentence (one line) in a book; the very middle of a sentence is
clear while the edges are blurred! I'm not sure if I need to have my eyes
re-examined or go back to bi-focals. On my older bi-focals I didn't have
anything in the top part as my vision was clear..just hated to wear the
glasses on a chain..so I went to the bi-focals! lol What do you think??
It takes time to adapt to the "swim" effect (you will adapt). It also takes
time to adapt to moving your head to read the whole sentence. In time you
will adapt and will probably be much happier with the ability to see clearly
at any distance (not just 2 distances). This will be more important as you
age and your reading add power gets larger. The older you get the harder it
is to adapt.
But bifocals do have advantages for single function purposes such as reading
at a fixed distance.
I have been reading on here and I'm finding out that alot of people are unhappy with their progressive lens..because they are made of polycarbonate! I purchased mine at EyeMaster's and I'm thinking that this probably what they gave me! So my next question is...how does polycarbonate differ than other materials? And does the better material give you a broader reading area? I saw where one poster said they felt like they were in a funnel! And this is exactly how I felt when I wore them. They told me to keep them on for a few days...but HOW do you walk around when your vision is blurry and you are squinting to read anything??? They told me that my computer vision would improve with progressive...but I'm actually tilting my head more with these then with the bi-focals!! I'm totally confused! Should I make them make me bi-focals and forget the progressive or insist that they redo them with a better material? Desperately needing help!!
Mark A - 17 Jan 2005 21:14 GMT
> I have been reading on here and I'm finding out that alot of people are unhappy with their progressive lens..because they are made of polycarbonate!
I purchased mine at EyeMaster's and I'm thinking that this probably what
they gave me! So my next question is...how does polycarbonate differ than
other materials? And does the better material give you a broader reading
area? I saw where one poster said they felt like they were in a funnel!
And this is exactly how I felt when I wore them. They told me to keep them
on for a few days...but HOW do you walk around when your vision is blurry
and you are squinting to read anything??? They told me that my computer
vision would improve with progressive...but I'm actually tilting my head
more with these then with the bi-focals!! I'm totally confused! Should I
make them make me bi-focals and forget the progressive or insist that they
redo them with a better material? Desperately needing help!!
I am probably the main crusader against polycarbonate on this forum. Many of
the professionals like it because it offers high profit margins (it is no
longer a proprietary formula) and protects them from liability lawsuits in
the unlikely case that lens breaks and injures someone. Professionals are
required to recommend them for children. They probably are a good idea for
use while playing contact sports or in a hazardous work area. Polycarb is
also better for rimless frames that need to drilled because they tend to not
crack as easily compared to other materials. However, if a slightly lower
index is acceptable, Trivex offers virtually the same protection against
impact resistance and tensile strength.
But the optical quality of polycarbonate is worst of any commonly used lens
material. One measure of this is abbe value which measure chromatic
aberration, but there are other problems that cannot be easily
measured.Admittedly, the problems with polycarb are less obvious in low
power Rx's, but if you have low power Rx you don't a 1.59 index lens. If you
need safety glasses, Trivex has far superior optics.
Regarding the adaptation, find out what the money back warranty period on
the lenses are, and give it try for that period. Be sure to allow time to
get to the store for a refund or exchange if you are unhappy.
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Littlest M - 17 Jan 2005 23:47 GMT
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Mark A - 18 Jan 2005 00:16 GMT
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Mike Tyner - 17 Jan 2005 23:10 GMT
I believe the problems with polycarbonate are vastly overstated, even
nonexistent for low prescriptions. I've worn poly in several different
designs and never noticed a problem.
Poly spreads colors out a little more than other materials. If you see
rainbow fringes, the problem is poly. If you don't see rainbow fringes, look
for another cause.
-MT, OD
>I have been reading on here and I'm finding out that alot of people are
>unhappy with their progressive lens..because they are made of
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Robert Martellaro - 17 Jan 2005 23:47 GMT
>I have been reading on here and I'm finding out that alot of people are unhappy with their progressive lens..because they are made of polycarbonate! I purchased mine at EyeMaster's and I'm thinking that this probably what they gave me! So my next question is...how does polycarbonate differ than other materials? And does the better material give you a broader reading area? I saw where one poster said they felt like they were in a funnel! And this is exactly how I felt when I wore them. They told me to keep them on for a few days...but HOW do you walk around when your vision is blurry and you are squinting to read anything???
>They told me that my computer vision would improve with progressive...but I'm actually tilting my head more with these then with the bi-focals!! I'm totally confused! Should I make them make me bi-focals and forget the progressive or insist that they redo them with a better material? Desperately needing help!!
Your distance vision must be sharp and clear when standing and looking at a
distance object. If it's not then they are made improperly. Field of vision at
near will be much less than with standard bifocals, and can be nearly unusable
if improperly positioned. The lens material is inconsequential with this Rx and
the problems stated.
Progressives are not the answer for the visual and physical problems that occur
when looking at a desktop monitor. A separate pair of glasses may be needed
depending on frequency of use, work distance and type of Rx. In general, I would
probably recommend replacing the progressive with standard bifocals and making a
separate pair for computer.
Hope this helps
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
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"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
- Richard Feynman
Dana - 18 Jan 2005 01:28 GMT
From what I've read (and experienced) the brand of progressives makes more
difference than the material.
There's a lot of info in this group about various brands, but if you don't
know what you have, you probably don't have the best brand.
I personally found progressives a lot easier to wear when I got a premium
brand instead of what the opticians first tried to give me.
>I have been reading on here and I'm finding out that alot of people are
>unhappy with their progressive lens..because they are made of
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>0.50 - 0.75 175 I currently wear bi-focals but I'm looking into progressive
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>progressives but I feel like I'm in a time warp..everything is like 3D. I
>was even walking sideways!
Walking sideways???
Could you explain that one a little? :)
>I don't like not being able to read a whole sentence
>(one line) in a book; the very middle of a sentence is clear while the edges
>are blurred!
I went from bifocals to progressives and yes, there is a reduction
in reading area. I am putting up with that because I like everything
else about the progressives.
Lots of people talk about "swimming" effects, but I don't notice
anything like this with mine. Maybe my low 1.5 add power has
something to do with it. You didn't say what your add power is
so I don't know if that can explain why you seem to see so much
more peripherial distortion than I do.
>I'm not sure if I need to have my eyes re-examined or go back
>to bi-focals. On my older bi-focals I didn't have anything in the top part
>as my vision was clear..just hated to wear the glasses on a chain..so I went
>to the bi-focals! lol What do you think??
Littlest M - 18 Jan 2005 00:50 GMT
"walking sideways":
Evidently the most clear place on the lenses was on the right side...so my head and eyes were diverted to that area..thus I was walking sideways!
Jkumar167 - 18 Jan 2005 04:07 GMT
>Lots of people talk about "swimming" effects, but I don't notice
>anything like this with mine. Maybe my low 1.5 add power has
>something to do with it. You didn't say what your add power is
>so I don't know if that can e
It is true that peripheral distortion on PALs increases with add power...so
those with a higher add will tend to notice it more.
It is also true that some people notice the distortions ("swimming") and are
bothered by them much more than others. This isn't meant to be a "dig"; its
simply the truth. I have tried many different types of progressives, and can't
tell a difference. They all work just fine for me, and have since the day I
got my first one. But I'm also a person who could have my over two diopters of
cylinder off by over 20 degrees and barely notice.
Obviously, some folks aren't as lucky as I am. There are some folks who will
be bothered by the peripheral distortion of PALs no matter what the brand, add,
or whatever.
How can you tell in advance whether you're one of those people? Well,
unfortunately you probably can't. But think about how fussy you are about
glasses (or sunglasses if not wearing any currently) and that will give you an
idea. Are you the type who is running to the optical for an adjustment the
minute they are slightly crooked? Do you HATE having even a tiny speck of dust
on your glasses? Or do you wait to clean them (or have them adjusted) until
someone says "what's wrong with your glasses?"? These kinds of things might
give you an idea of how you're going to adjust.
Give it time, no matter what. And make sure they come with a guarantee if
you're worried about it.
Joe Stella - 19 Jan 2005 01:34 GMT
>It is also true that some people notice the distortions ("swimming") and are
>bothered by them much more than others.
Distortion is not the same as swimming. When I look to either side
of the intermediate corridor, I see that the image is out of focus.
This could be called distortion. However there is no swimming effect.
I know well what swimming is, because my Lenscrafters PAL's showed
this effect big time. I sometimes got dizzy walking down a corridor
with them. Not with my Varilux Comforts though; there's no swimming,
and there is even a lot less blur than the other PAL's had.
Sibir - 24 Jan 2005 09:28 GMT
>>It is also true that some people notice the distortions ("swimming") and are
>>bothered by them much more than others.
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> with them. Not with my Varilux Comforts though; there's no swimming,
> and there is even a lot less blur than the other PAL's had.
the "swimming" is the change in apparent magnification due to the
channel and reading area. The magnification is greatest in the channel
and falls off rapidly to either side. This sets up a see saw effect
where things rise and fall as we turn our heads. When one is walking and
looking through the start of the channel, they feel like they are
swimming. This is often a sign of a very harsh design (not common
nowadays,) or poor alignment (whether height, width, vertex, or face
form; also included in this category are people who are taller than
average, people who walk with their chins up, people who recline their
car seats, people who have computer monitors that are not ergonomically
correct, heavy equipment operators, etc.)
The issue is always present. It's a simple matter of two or more
different powers in the same lens. There are ways to reduce the effect
to make it affect the individual less. Use modern designs (no, there is
not an end all be all design.) Make sure the placement is correct
horizontally and vertically. I'm not just talking about textbook
correct. The above mentioned groups need the lenses situated lower than
normal to prevent the "swimming" effect of constantly looking through
the intermediate. You just might have to give up those narrow little
trendy frames, but you will "feel" better walking around and driving.
Slide your glasses down your nose a bit and try that for a day or two.
See if it makes a difference.
Carl