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doe - 25 Dec 2004 16:00 GMT <<snip>> demonstrating a significant role for iron in regulation of glutamate production <<snip>>
Am J Physiol Cell Physiol. 2004 Dec 21; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Iron alters glutamate secretion by regulating cytosolic aconitase activity.
McGahan MC, Harned J, Mukunnemkeril M, Goralska M, Fleisher LN, Ferrell J.
Department of Molecular Biomedical Sciences, North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC, USA.
Glutamate has many important physiological functions including its role as a neurotransmitter in the retina and CNS. We have made the novel observations that retinal pigment epithelial cells underlying and intimately interacting with the retina secrete glutamate and this secretion is significantly affected by iron. In addition, iron increased secretion of glutamate in cultured lens and neuronal cells indicating that this may be a common mechanism for regulation of glutamate production in many cell types. The activity of the iron dependent enzyme, cytosolic aconitase (c-aconitase), is increased by iron. The conversion of citrate to isocitrate by c-aconitase is the first step in a three step process leading to glutamate formation. In the present study, iron increased aconitase activity and this increase was associated with an increase in glutamate secretion. Inhibition of c-aconitase by oxalomalate decreased glutamate secretion and completely inhibited the iron induced increase in glutamate secretion. Derangements in both glutamate secretion and iron metabolism have been noted in neurological diseases and in retinal degeneration. The results of the present investigation are the first to provide a functional link between these two physiologically important substances by demonstrating a significant role for iron in regulation of glutamate production and secretion in mammalian cells resulting from iron regulation of aconitase activity. Glutamatergic systems are found in many non-neuronal tissues. In the present study we provide the first evidence that in addition to secreting glutamate, retinal pigment epithelial cells express the vesicular glutamate transporter, VGLUT1, and that regulated vesicular release of glutamate from these cells can be inhibited by riluzole.
PMID: 15613494 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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Repeating Rifle - 25 Dec 2004 21:55 GMT > Iron alters glutamate secretion by regulating cytosolic aconitase activity. Do you have an axe to sell? What is with all your posts on pseudonutrition?
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doe - 26 Dec 2004 04:05 GMT >Subject: Re: Glutamate / iron >From: Repeating Rifle salmonegg@sbcglobal.net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Bill Actually when one shows MORE iron in the eye of a diabetic patient than in those with trauma / blood or even a retained foreign object .. AND .. those who we / world .. trust .. eye professionals .. DO NOT .. even .. attempt .. to address this diabetic iron .. irks .. me .. man ..
Is that .. selling .. ?
Or is that like .. getting .. in .. your .. face .. .. .. man ..
Don't like the studies .. ?
Don't .. snip .. them ..
Cause it just ... proves .. my .. point ..
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<<snip>> demonstrating a significant role for iron in regulation of glutamate production <<snip>>
Am J Physiol Cell Physiol. 2004 Dec 21; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Iron alters glutamate secretion by regulating cytosolic aconitase activity.
McGahan MC, Harned J, Mukunnemkeril M, Goralska M, Fleisher LN, Ferrell J.
Department of Molecular Biomedical Sciences, North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC, USA.
Glutamate has many important physiological functions including its role as a neurotransmitter in the retina and CNS. We have made the novel observations that retinal pigment epithelial cells underlying and intimately interacting with the retina secrete glutamate and this secretion is significantly affected by iron. In addition, iron increased secretion of glutamate in cultured lens and neuronal cells indicating that this may be a common mechanism for regulation of glutamate production in many cell types. The activity of the iron dependent enzyme, cytosolic aconitase (c-aconitase), is increased by iron. The conversion of citrate to isocitrate by c-aconitase is the first step in a three step process leading to glutamate formation. In the present study, iron increased aconitase activity and this increase was associated with an increase in glutamate secretion. Inhibition of c-aconitase by oxalomalate decreased glutamate secretion and completely inhibited the iron induced increase in glutamate secretion. Derangements in both glutamate secretion and iron metabolism have been noted in neurological diseases and in retinal degeneration. The results of the present investigation are the first to provide a functional link between these two physiologically important substances by demonstrating a significant role for iron in regulation of glutamate production and secretion in mammalian cells resulting from iron regulation of aconitase activity. Glutamatergic systems are found in many non-neuronal tissues. In the present study we provide the first evidence that in addition to secreting glutamate, retinal pigment epithelial cells express the vesicular glutamate transporter, VGLUT1, and that regulated vesicular release of glutamate from these cells can be inhibited by riluzole.
PMID: 15613494 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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Repeating Rifle - 26 Dec 2004 08:21 GMT >> Do you have an axe to sell? What is with all your posts on pseudonutrition? >> >> Bill > > Actually when one shows MORE iron in the eye of a diabetic patient than in > those with trauma / blood or even a retained foreign object .. AND .. those I do not understand your post.
To simplify things, please answer the following question with a yes or no.
Are you deriving income from the sale of medication or nutritional supplements?
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doe - 26 Dec 2004 14:29 GMT >Subject: Re: Glutamate / iron >From: Repeating Rifle salmonegg@sbcglobal.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I do not understand your post. Diabetic eye contains four times more iron than normal ..
Studies show when iron rises to three times more iron than normal in the eye .. the iron MUST be .. addressed .. or .. it will destroy the eye ..
BUT .. when the diabetic eye is SHOWN to have even MORE .. FOUR .. times more iron .. noone seems to be addressing this iron ..
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>To simplify things, please answer the following question with a yes or no. > >Are you deriving income from the sale of medication or nutritional >supplements? No ..
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Mike Tyner - 26 Dec 2004 15:10 GMT > BUT .. when the diabetic eye is SHOWN to have even MORE .. > FOUR .. times more iron .. noone seems to be addressing this iron .. Of course there's more iron. The vessels are leaking.
When your boat is leaking, is it more important to patch the holes, or sponge up the water?
-MT
doe - 26 Dec 2004 17:21 GMT >Subject: Re: Glutamate / iron >From: "Mike Tyner" mtyner@mindspring.com [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >-MT I suppose it would depend on .. which .. you .. can .. control ..
Which one .. or .. both .. ?
As TO the .. source .. OF .. the iron ..
Since elevated iron has been closely related to diabetes .. the 'source' .. as you seem to think .. may not be so .. 'cut and dried' .. ?
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Mike Tyner - 26 Dec 2004 18:27 GMT > Since elevated iron has been closely related to diabetes .. the 'source' > .. as > you seem to think .. may not be so .. 'cut and dried' .. ? To understand your point, it's crucial to know where the excess iron was measured and what form it takes.
I think you're talking about toxic levels of free elemental iron in some cavity or tissue of the eye. I'm guessing it was measured from aqueous fluid or the vitreous gel, not from the cornea, surely not the choriocapillaris.
Second, I'd have to know how elevated? Four times nearly zero is still nearly zero, and aqueous and vitreous don't normally contain much free iron.
In DR, new vessels are growing and they leak all sorts of serum proteins, even red cells and lysed hemoglobin, into the vitreous. It causes a storm of inflammation, mediated by prostaglandins and histamine and VEGF. Next to that, a few free metal ions don't seem very important. Perhaps that's too cut-and-dried, but we're still open to being impressed.
Not to be "cut-and-dried," but it really boils down to "what can we do differently?" What are you suggesting? Rheopheresis? Aqueous exchange? Injecting EDTA into the vitreous? Proprietary nutriceuticals?
What are you selling?
-MT
doe - 28 Dec 2004 03:34 GMT >Subject: Re: Glutamate / iron >From: "Mike Tyner" mtyner@mindspring.com [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >What are you selling? As I said .. nothing ..
It seems iron chelation is ALREADY being used .. by .. youseguys ..
Vestn Oftalmol. 1999 Mar-Apr;115(2):34-5. Related Articles, Links
[Histochrome, a new antioxidant, in the treatment of ocular diseases]
[Article in Russian]
Egorov EA, Alekhina VA, Volobueva TM, Fedoreev SA, Mishchenko NP, Kol'tsova EA.
The efficacy of a new bioantioxidant histochrome is studied in 92 patients (98 eyes). The drug was injected subconjunctivally or parabulbarly in a dose of 0.5 ml 0.02% solution daily, 7-10 injections per course. The clinical effect of histochrome is determined by the localization, duration, and extent of the process. The drug was the most effective in the treatment of intraocular hemorrhages which occurred no more than 7 days before. Electroretinography demonstrated pronounced retinoprotective properties of the drug which improved the electrophysiological parameters in degenerative processes in the retina and optic nerve. Hence, histochrome is characterized by hemoresorption, retinoprotective, and antioxidant properties and is recommended for the treatment of ocular diseases involving metabolic disorders in the retina, vascular membrane, and cornea.
PMID: 10377874 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Mike Tyner - 28 Dec 2004 04:46 GMT >>What are you selling? > > As I said .. nothing .. The first author, Elyakov, is also the primary patent holder for this use of histochrome as an antioxidant.
-MT
John Hasenkam - 30 Dec 2004 11:29 GMT No, excess free iron is very common in damaged neurons and drives oxidative stress(Fenton reaction), it is occurring in the retina of diabetes because of poor oxidation status.
Reducing iron levels can be beneficial in limiting damage when inflammation occurs.
You have the cart before the horse: excess iron is indicative of neural pathology, usually not the cause of it.
> >Subject: Re: Glutamate / iron > >From: "Mike Tyner" mtyner@mindspring.com [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Jan 2005 17:05 GMT Hmmmmmm ......
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Antibiotics Protect Nerves in Mice by Turning on Genes Libraries Medical News Keywords LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE PENICILLIN ALS GLUTAMATE CEFTRIAXONE ANTIBIOTICS Contact Information
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A family of antibiotics that includes penicillin may help prevent nerve damage and death in a wide variety of neurological diseases, including Lou Gehrig's disease, dementia, stroke, and epilepsy, Johns Hopkins researchers have found.
Newswise A family of antibiotics that includes penicillin may help prevent nerve damage and death in a wide variety of neurological diseases, including Lou Gehrig's disease, dementia, stroke, and epilepsy, Johns Hopkins researchers have found.
The antibiotics' beneficial effects, discovered in experiments in the lab and with mice, are unrelated to their ability to kill bacteria, the researchers report in the Jan. 6 issue of Nature. Instead, the drugs squelch the dangerous side of a brain chemical called glutamate by turning on at least one gene, thereby increasing the number of "highways," or transporters, that remove glutamate from nerves.
"It would be extremely premature for patients to ask for or take antibiotics on their own," says the study's leader, Jeffrey Rothstein, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Robert Packard Center for ALS Research at Johns Hopkins and a professor of neurology and of neuroscience. "Only a clinical trial can prove whether one of these antibiotics can help and is safe if taken for a long time."
In mice engineered to develop the equivalent of Lou Gehrig's disease, daily injections of an antibiotic called ceftriaxone, started just as symptoms tend to surface, delayed both nerve damage and symptoms and extended survival by 10 days compared to untreated animals. Lou Gehrig's disease, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), in people causes progressive weakness and paralysis and ends in death, usually within three to five years of diagnosis.
"We're very excited by these drugs' abilities," says Rothstein. "They show for the first time that drugs, not just genetic engineering, can increase numbers of specific transporters in brain cells. Because we study ALS, we tested the drugs in a mouse model of that disease, but this is much bigger than ALS. This approach has potential applications in numerous neurologic and psychiatric conditions that arise from abnormal control of glutamate."
A large, multi-center clinical trial planned for the spring will help determine the best dose of and schedule for ceftriaxone in people with ALS, and will measure whether the known risks of long-term antibiotic treatment are worth it, he says. The drug is currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and used to treat bacterial infections in the brain.
More than a dozen of penicillin's relatives, known as beta-lactam antibiotics, were among protective agents identified by a National Institutes of Health-funded project to screen 1,040 Food and Drug Administration-approved drugs for new uses. The newfound ability of these antibiotics to activate glutamate transporters and to protect nerves, and the drugs' potential therapeutic use in neurological conditions, are covered by patent applications held by Rothstein and Johns Hopkins and licensed to Ruxton Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Of the antibiotics, penicillin protected nerve cells best in laboratory dishes, but ceftriaxone had the best results in mice, probably because it more easily crosses into the brain from the blood, the researchers report.
Rothstein and his colleagues determined that the antibiotics' benefit stems from their newly recognized effect on glutamate's Jekyll-and-Hyde effects. In the brain, glutamate normally excites nerves so that electrical signals can travel from one to the next. But too much of the chemical can overstimulate and kill nerves, a factor in ALS and some other diseases.
In a series of experiments, the researchers discovered that the antibiotics activate the gene encoding glutamate's main transporter in brain cells. Rats and mice that received daily ceftriaxone for up to a week had triple the usual amount of the transporter, known as GLT1, in their brain cells, an effect that lasted for up to three months after treatment.
"Glutamate is just one of many messengers brain cells use to communicate with one another, and this is just one of the transporters that move glutamate," says Rothstein. "So if you can find the right drug, you might be able to specifically affect other transporters, too."
Because ceftriaxone only protects against glutamate damage, just one problem in ALS, it's not surprising that the mice eventually succumbed to weakness and paralysis despite treatment, he says.
"If we can find drugs that protect against other causes of nerve death in ALS, the combination might offer a real therapy, much like using drug combinations to treat cancer," says Rothstein. "The more we know about ALS and other neurological diseases, the better our chances of finding ways to prevent nerve death by all causes."
The research was funded by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, the Muscular Dystrophy Association and the Robert Packard Center for ALS Research at Johns Hopkins. The ALS mice were provided by Project ALS.
Authors of the paper are Rothstein, Sarubhai Patel, Melissa Regan, Christine Haenggeli, Yanhua Huang, Dwight Bergles, Lin Jin, Margaret Dykes Hoberg, Svetlana Vidensky, Dorothy Chung and Shuy Vang Toan, all of Johns Hopkins; Lucie Bruijn of The ALS Association; and Zao-zhong Su, Pankaj Gupta and Paul Fisher of Columbia University Medical Center.
--- Under a licensing agreement between Ruxton Pharmaceuticals Inc. and The Johns Hopkins University, Rothstein is entitled to a share of royalty received by the University on sales of products described in this study. Rothstein and the University own Ruxton Pharmaceuticals Inc. stock, which is subject to certain restrictions under University policy. Rothstein is a paid consultant to Ruxton Pharmaceuticals Inc. The terms of these arrangements are being managed by The Johns Hopkins University in accordance with its conflict of interest policies.
On the Web: http://www.nature.com/nature
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