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Vision clearing to 20/40 (DMV standard) from -2.75 diopters
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otisbrown@pa.net - 08 Dec 2004 04:40 GMT Dear Prevention minded friends.
Subject: The struggle for scientific ascendancy concerning the dynamic behavior of the natural eye continues.
Re: I declare that Otis' idea about preventing myopia in humans must be destroyed. Jan OD (normally Dutch spoken)
Re: The concept that the natural eye is dynamic -- controls its refractive status to its average visual environment -- is logical. The "dynamic eye" concept and prevention go together -- naturally! To suggest that the concept of prevention must be "destroyed" is to insist that the natural eye is not dynamic. OSB
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A person has the right to understand the second-opinion and work on vision clearing.
Dr. Stirling Colgate did this work successfully when he was 14 years old. There is no reason to stop of attempt to prevent other young men from following his scientific lead. (See www.myopiafree.com for Dr. Colgate's scientific report.)
There is a tendency to "over-prescribe" a minus lens.
Here is a statement of a young man (15 years old) who is very interested in clearing his distant vision to normal.
At this point he his reading 1.8 cm letters at 6 meters. This is the required standard requirement to pass the DMV test.
Getting the eye to "clear" from 20/40 to 20/20 is a matter of very hard work. (He retina has this capability as tested by an optometrist.) It is "Mike's" decision and choice to continue his work on this project.
I have changed Mike's name to protect his privacy.
I am certain we all wish him great success with his effort.
Best,
Otis
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Dear Mike,
Subject: The eye "plateaus" at 20/40 from previous -2.75 diopters (approximately 20/200)
Re: Vision clearing is very frustrating.
Anyone who works on vision-clearing expects reasonable and rapid results.
The sad truth is that it is a very slow process.
It takes two or three years to get into the level of nearsightedness that you report. You can figure that it will take a considerable amount of time to "undo" the effect of both the confined environment AND that minus lens.
>From the pilots who have reported to me on their work, it is clear that the eye "plateaus" at a certain level -- and just stays there for weeks, and perhaps a month or two. I can not "explain" this truth -- only report it so you understand that you are not alone in this frustration.
It is of value to review the success you have achieved to date.
1. Your original prescription was for a -2.75 diopter lens. Multiply the diopters by 70 to get the eye-chart (approximate) reading. That comes to 20/200. In many states, 20/200 naked eye vision is considered LEGAL BLINDNESS!
2. You said that you had a -2.75 diopter contact, and wore it.
RESULTS THUS FAR
You read the 20/40 line on the eye chart. I believe that you would pass the legal requirement for driving a car -- with no requirement for glasses. Thus you recovered from legal-blindness to normal vision!
With 20/40 your vision is good enough for school and almost all other requirements.
That is a major success!
NOW THE FRUSTRATION PART
Jon began "working" on vision-clearing from -1.5 diopters and 20/60. He was in much better shape than you were initially.
His vision "cleared" to 20/30, 20/25. Then it "hung" there for a number of months. He was VERY frustrated with this situation. But he also was passing all legal requirements for vision.
Since you started from a much "deeper" level, you can expect that it will take a longer time. Jon took nine months to finally get to 20/20.
Now to respond to your questions:
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To: "Otis Brown" <otisbrown@pa.net>
Date: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Dear Mike,
Mike> I am still at 20/40 and wearing a +2.75 all day
Otis> That is a very strong approach. I appreciate the dedication it takes to do this work.
Mike> I have noticed some depth perception changes.
Mike> I can read for a while and I do not have the muscle spasm which leads to myopia.
Otis> Your accommodation system should be at "infinity" or set for maximum distance. The +2.75 diopter lens will make certain of that.
Mike> You mentioned that it can give you a head-ache when you first start the plus because you depth perception tells the eye one thing and light rays tell another thing.
Otis> The accommodation and "convergence" are linked, i.e., when you look from infinity to 20 inches (-2 diopters) the "convergence" system (eye rotation) and accommodation system "agree". ANY lens will change that relationship. When you use a +2 diopter lens to read at 20 inches, your accommodation system is set at "infinity" where "eye rotation" tell you that the object is at 20 inches. In some people this causes a "headache". In others, it does not.
Mike> This is what happened to me except opposite. Let me explain
Mike> My lens looks at infinity when looking at near object. My lens wants to look at infinity even when light rays tell it different.
Mike> I have read that +1.5 diopter is considered normal. That is my long long long term goal.
Otis> When a person reads 20/20 his refractive status is defined as zero to some positive value. People who live "outdoors" typically have 20/20, and a refractive status of values between zero to +2.0 diopters.
Otis> To determine the value, a plus lens is used to "just blur" the 20/20 line. Thus if you read 20/20, and find that a +1/2 diopter lens "just blurs" the 20/20 line, then your refractive status is +1/2 diopters. (Typically an eye with this "buffer" will read the chart at slightly better than 20/20.)
Mike> I am starting to wonder why I am hanging around at 20/40. I think I should have changed to at least some 20/30 by now.
Otis> I certainly agree that this is frustrating. But this has been the experience of Jon and other people who have SLOWLY cleared their distant vision.
Otis> Since you "cleared" from legal blindness, I would be patient with this slow process.
Otis> The positive part of this is that you know EXACTLY where you stand -- therefore you are in control. Very few people gain that type of "control".
Otis> It is easy for me to type this up, and make the recommendation. But you are the man doing the work -- and judgment.
Otis> I can support you and encourage you -- but the control and the work is in you! You have come a long way -- count your "blessings". Otis> Keep up the excellent work!
Best,
Otis
Mike Tyner - 08 Dec 2004 05:53 GMT > Subject: The struggle for scientific ascendancy concerning the > dynamic behavior of the natural eye continues. I think I already said that... "whoever gets the last word must be right."
> The "dynamic eye" concept and > prevention go together -- naturally! Accommodative myopia and being 14 years old go together -- naturally!
-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 08 Dec 2004 15:23 GMT Dear Mike, I am glad you agree that anyone who "wakes up" to the need to wear a plus lens, and clears their distant vision has eyes that "adjust" to the "delta" in the visual environment produced by the positive lens. The work (for this man) is indeed difficult and requires intense motivation. The only way a person determines if he has "preventable" nearisghtedness -- is when he does this work himself, under his own control. But thanks for your acknowledgement that nearsighedness -- in its early stage -- can be prevented. I think each individual should be given this opportunity, since I doubt that any measurement made can sort out whether any individual has "preventable myopia" versus "non-preventable myopia". You keep on making this judgment after-the-fact. So the individual has to do the work of using the plus himself to make that determination. And as RM said, that is HIS PROBLEM. Equally, for Mike, I know that he is not yet "out of the woods", and the true-clearing rate is about +3/4 diopter per year. It all depend now on whether Mike wants to "stick" with his prevetive work. Best, Otis
RM - 09 Dec 2004 00:27 GMT > I am glad you agree that anyone who "wakes up" to the need to wear a > plus lens, and clears their distant vision has eyes that "adjust" to > the "delta" in the visual environment produced by the positive lens. No one agreed to this. You keep trying to state that plus lenses work for "anyone". They can work for accommodative myopes who tend to be young.
otisbrown@pa.net - 09 Dec 2004 16:30 GMT Dear Friend, First, I stated that a decision MUST be made about using the plus -- BEFORE a minus lens is used. In that sense, the person must be informed of this alternative in clear simple language. It is an "either-or" decision. The person should be informed by reading the various "sites" that advocate prevention with a plus. Now, assuming a pilot, entering a four year college, is "correctly" informed when his refractive status is -3/4 diopters (va 20/50), then I think THAT type of educated person could make an intelligent choice, given that the eye (in that environment) goes "down" by 1.3 diopters in four years. I believe that a high percentage of pilots could clear their vision back to standard if they would "work" very hard with the plus. That is the issue. Best, Otis Engineer
RM - 10 Dec 2004 02:08 GMT >Now, assuming a > pilot, entering a four year college, is "correctly" informed when his > refractive status is -3/4 diopters (va 20/50), then I think THAT type > of educated person could make an intelligent choice, given that the eye So the segment of people that your plus lens therapy works on is pilots entering a four-year college, right? Intelligence is important also, right?
What if they enter a four year college and they are 50 years old (and intelligent)? What if they are 20 years old and they aren't pilots, will it work on them? What does being a pilot, and being in a four year college, and being "intelligent", have to do with the dynamic nature of the eye anyway?
Keep digging Otis!
RM - 09 Dec 2004 00:24 GMT This posting is an automatic reply to any sci.med.vision newsgroup thread that is receiving comments from a person named "Otis", "Otis Brown", "otisbrown@pa.net" or "Otis, Engineer".
Otis is not an expert in any field of vision. His medical and eyecare training is nil. He is a proponent of a myopia (i.e. nearsightedness) prevention technique that is unproven at best, and has in some aspects even been disproven by controlled scientific studies. He has posted and reposted his ideas approximately 1000 times over the last two years despite being repeatedly debunked by numerous doctor practitioners and vision scientists.
No one means to suppress the opinions of others. This message is only meant to forewarn anyone who might misconstrue Otis as a trained eyecare expert.
DO NOT REPLY TO HIS POSTINGS. Do not feed the troll!
Please see the weekly posting "welcome to sci.med.vision" which usually appears on Mondays for information on how to filter out his posts so that you may be able to participate in worthwhile discussions in this forum. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
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> Dear Prevention minded friends. > [quoted text clipped - 189 lines] > > Otis A Lieberman - 09 Dec 2004 02:05 GMT > Dear Prevention minded friends. Dear Prevention minded friends.
Ignore Otis. He makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come to the newsgroups and share their experiences.
Allen
Mike Tyner - 09 Dec 2004 05:46 GMT >Otis.. makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come > to the newsgroups and share their experiences. I dunno if it would do any good. Otis's subjects will be fully indoctrinated with his understanding of physiology and the "second opinion".
I'd encourage his subjects to ask their own doctors how young people can surrender some degree of myopia, and to verify their improvement in diopters. They are already primed to disbelieve more conventional explanations, so hearing it from an independent source is better.
-MT
LarryDoc - 09 Dec 2004 14:50 GMT > >Otis.. makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come > > to the newsgroups and share their experiences. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -MT You forget that Otis's "subjects" don't really exist. They are only present is his imagination.
As will all things Otis, there's no proof there, either. Smoke and mirrors. And
Blah, blah, blah.
--LB
otisbrown@pa.net - 09 Dec 2004 16:35 GMT Dear Larry, When the person is younger that 17, I will not post his name. Where the person is older, and working to clear from say -1.25 diopters to normal -- I will post his name, with his permission. I have already posted Fred Deakins name (USAF) who cleared his vision in college -- by use of the plus. The issue is "control". If the person himself has the resolve to do it -- and starts at 20/50 to 20/60, then I believe he can clear to pass the legal requirements for vision that apply to him. Best, Otis
A Lieberman - 10 Dec 2004 01:45 GMT > Dear Larry, > When the person is younger that 17, I will not post his name. Dear Prevention minded friends.
Ignore Otis. He makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come to the newsgroups and share their experiences.
Allen
A Lieberman - 10 Dec 2004 02:57 GMT > I have already posted Fred Deakins name (USAF) who cleared > his vision in college -- by use of the plus. Dear Prevention minded friends.
Ignore Otis. He makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come to the newsgroups and share their experiences. The above name does not show any pilot certificates maintained by the FAA.
Allen
otisbrown@pa.net - 10 Dec 2004 03:37 GMT Dear Allen, He is a military pilot flying for the USAF. He may not be listed with the FAA. Could you check that also. Best, Otis
A Lieberman - 10 Dec 2004 03:51 GMT > Dear Allen, > He is a military pilot flying for the USAF. > He may not be listed with the FAA. > Could you check that also. Dear Prevention minded friends.
Ignore Otis. He makes up stories, and won't have his subjects come to the newsgroups and share their experiences.
You changed names to protect the innocent. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS.
Go to http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/pt2020.txt if you don't believe me.
Allen
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