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sudden onset myopia and horners syndome at 57 years old

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Complex592 - 05 Dec 2004 19:08 GMT
Anybody out there here of a situation where a person only needed glasses for
reading and suddenly developed new onset myopia and the same time as horners
syndrom.  Neuro optimologist denied a relationship. Said the vision shift was
unusual. I had the horners workup and nothing no cause... No 6 months later my
vision has grossly changed to 20/450 both eyes. No explanation. Being worked up
at another clinic. Still nobody knows why.
Mike Tyner - 05 Dec 2004 19:15 GMT
> Anybody out there here of a situation where a person only needed glasses
> for
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> worked up
> at another clinic. Still nobody knows why.

I agree that the relationship with myopia is likely a coincidence.

Blood sugar variations can cause significant myopia but it is transient,
usually resolving after the blood sugar is controlled. Surely they've tested
for that.

The most common reason for permanent myopic shift at age 57 is a change in
the crystalline lens that occurs preceding cataract. It might not be visible
in the examination, or may only appear as a mild yellowing in the lens. It
can still take years for a significant cataract to form.

-MT, OD
Rishi Giovanni Gatti - 05 Dec 2004 22:31 GMT
> > Anybody out there here of a situation where a person only needed glasses
> > for
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>
> I agree that the relationship with myopia is likely a coincidence.

No scientific answer, then.

> Blood sugar variations can cause significant myopia but it is transient,
> usually resolving after the blood sugar is controlled. Surely they've tested
> for that.

What happens, the eye elongates and then resumes its former shape?

> The most common reason for permanent myopic shift at age 57 is a change in
> the crystalline lens that occurs preceding cataract. It might not be visible
> in the examination, or may only appear as a mild yellowing in the lens. It
> can still take years for a significant cataract to form.

20/450 is indeed an high myopia, though.

It should be interesting to treat this person with rest methods and
see what would happen since your science has no answer.

Perhaps is just a mental defiance.
LarryDoc - 05 Dec 2004 21:36 GMT
> Anybody out there here of a situation where a person only needed glasses for
> reading and suddenly developed new onset myopia and the same time as horners
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> up
> at another clinic. Still nobody knows why.  

I'd agree with Dr. MT's assessment, although it is theoretically
possible for Horner's to cause a random and significant increase in
accommodation, which might appear as increased myopia. I don't see a
model where the myopia would be constant in power over a long period of
time. Never seen such a thing, but it's possible.  And easy to
differentially diagnose by doing a cycloplegic refraction.

Assuming no acute blood sugar issues, the place we look first is the
crystalline lens.  I had a patient with a 6 month progression of myopia
to - 2.00 with 3D of astigmatism, not fully correctable with specs. The
diagnosis was anterior lenticonus, a somewhat rare condition where the
anterior of the lens becomes steeper and irregular. It was followed by
the same condition occurring on the posterior lens cortex and finally by
cataract about two years later, and fixed by IOL surgery. Diffucult, but
not impossible to see with the slit lamp biomicroscope.

--LB, O.D.
Complex592 - 19 Dec 2004 03:47 GMT
Thanks to you all for your comebacks.  I have seen a retina specialist ruling
out cellophane on the macular( my optomotrist though she saw some.)  The check
was neg. The retina Dr. sent me to a neuro person feeling I needed to check
that out again. Now the new neuro Dr. said it nothing to do with the horners
just like the first neuro Dr said. In fact each and everybody has agreed that I
have small cataracts.  Each has said that they are probably too small to cause
such a shift.  The neuro doctor referred me to the cataract doctor.  I am glad
that youall have answered because now I feel I can have a little peace of mind.
My sugar is fine by the way.  Again thanks to you for your response.
g.gatti@agora.it - 19 Dec 2004 21:34 GMT
Again the scientific and medical profession are at a loss when such
disfunction of vision are detected by the client.

When we will wake up to the real side of vision problems?
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