To: Dr. Scott Steadman,
From: Otis Brown
Subject: Some questions for you concerning mathematical
modeling of the eye's long-term behavior
as a physiological control system.
Scott> Your challenges to this community to answer questions
regarding a simple exponential decay suggests that you do
not quite understand the difference between data and a
model, as does your offering of the Flitcroft modeling
effort when challenged for data.
Otis > A resistor-capacitor will have a "decay" as you state. However
an active control system will also display a "time-constant",
depending on "damping". An over-damped control system
exhibits the type of time-constant we are talking about.
Your statement suggests you do not understand this distinction.
Otis > Most of the group does not have the mathematical modeling
background to answer the questions I posed. Since you
state that you are an expert on the subject matter, I
challenge YOU to answer the questions posted below.
Scott> I hope that 100% of my students walk away from my
physiology class understanding what a model is, but I know
they don't, as the concept is not the easiest to grasp in
one semester.
Otis > I hope you grasp the concept of answering direct an honest
question concerning the behavior of the eye as a control
system. I look forward to reviewing your answers so we can
build a better mathematical model -- to more accurately
represent the dynamic behavior of the natural or native
eye.
Scott> Of all the criticism I'm offering here, this is one I can
let you slide on -- many people have the same problem.
Otis > I am not certain what "problem" you are talking about here.
I never asked you to let me "slide" on mathematical
modeling. What I am asking you to do is to stop making
criticisms, if you have nothing better to offer. But
equally, am asking you to help me improve the mathematical
model representing the behavior of the eye as a control
system. I hope you do not "slide" by this issue, and avoid
answering the questions posted to you.
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Dear Scott,
Re: I've made no statement. I just chuckle at the way you
compare yourself to a Kuhnian revolutionary. I chuckle for
a number of reasons. Scott
I appreciate the fact that you like to "chuckle" about
various issues.
But the issue I asked you concerned physiological modeling of
a control system, and specifically the fact that the natural eye
changes its refractive state as the visual environment is changed.
(Incidentally, this is not just with neo-natal primate eyes -- you
seem to believe that statement. Unless you clarify pregnant
primates as "neo-natal".)
You proceeded to tell me about your extensive academic
background, and did not answer the questions concerning the proven
behavior of the natural eye -- as a control-system.
I always believe in looking a person in the eye and asking
him questions which he should be able to answer if he has the
professional background to do so.
Rather than "attacking me", could you please answer the
following questions concerning the behavior of that natural eye as
a control system.
After you provide the correct answers we can then discuss
your belief (it seems) that the natural eye does not behave as a
control system.
I have provided some "text" to explain the nature of the
questions, and a mathematical model of the system.
I look forward to reading your honest effort, and look for
your support to further develop a mathematical model to represent
the behavior of the eye.
Four representative "case studies" with their associated
questions are posted below.
Best,
Otis
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Dear Scott,
"Part of the art and skill of the engineer and of the
experimental physicist is to create conditions in which certain
events are sure to occur."
Eugene Wigner
Subject: Four questions to clarify the behavior of the natural
eye under explicit scientific testing conditions.
THE ENGINEERING EXPONETIONAL REPRESENTATION AND EQUATION
There are two forms of the ( e ^ -t/Tau ) function:
In Problem One, the minus lens is applied (as a step-input to
the system) but the lens is removed for each measurement. It is
necessary that we account for this fact in this analysis.
In Problem Two, I apply the "perturbation" to the system.
(For conceptual purposes this is a contact-lens can not be
detected.) Since you are measuring the eye with the "perturbation"
always in it, the equation takes the form as described in the
problem.
SOLVED PROBLEMS
I would expect that my book, "How to Avoid Nearsightedness",
will be read by the engineer-pilot before this test is taken. If
the man has difficulties solving these problems, then he should
refer back to this analytic reference book. I have not done
things perfectly, but this interactive process should help clear
the air.
CONSTANTS FOR THE NATRUAL OR NATIVE EYE
The eye must be considered to be a sophisticated auto-focused
camera -- for both the accommodation system and long-term
focal-status control.
The accommodation system is presented (simplified for
clarity) on my site as, "A Cybernetic Model of Accommodation."
This means that the accommodation reproduces the instantaneous
visual environment. The accommodation system must be understood
to be the "input", or average-value of accommodation in the
equations presented below.
The value of the two "constants", OFFSET = +1.5 diopters and
TIME-CONSTANT = 100 days, is taken from the fundamental primate
eye where BOTH the visual environment is controlled and the
refractive status of all eyes are measured.
All the problems below MUST use these two constants of the
eye's behavior.
Comment> You first have to get this analysis in a form that is
crystal clear. There are problems with many individuals
since they do not understand the concept of "e", the
natural base of the number system.
It is intended that these students will have a tutorial on
these types of problems. Crystal clarity should develop later.
We will do our best.
Comment > Where is an example problem by which they can follow the
analysis? You have to engage the audience. They do not
necessarily see where you are going with this. There
has to be a link and a concoction to your thesis, and
their goal of effective prevention.
Otis> That is the purpose of a tutorial. But I have not yet
provided that type of symposium. It might be true that the
pilot-engineer has no interest -- in which case we are wasting his
time. Below, I have included solved-problems as part of
this presentation.
THE AVERAGE VALUE OF ACCOMMODATION
Comment > Is the value for accommodation -1.0 D? Then state this.
You have introduced other information such as 16 hours a
day and 7 days a week which muddies the problem. The
order in which you state information is critical for a
person's understanding of the problem as they work to
provide the solution.
The INSTANTENOUS value of accommodation is determined by the
accommodation model presented in "A Cybernetic Model of
Accommodation". Initially, this value must be estimated from
observational measurements.
What can be done is to apply a "test" -1.0 diopter lens. In which
case you will know the exact changed in the average value of
accommodation. You can them measure the consequence change in the
eye's refractive status. If this does not happen than that would
prove that the natural eye is an "open-loop" system.
CLARIFICATION OF TIME-CONSTANT AND OFFSET
In Problem 1, the initial values are provided. The average
value of accommodation (-.8 diopters) was assumed for both groups.
The operative factor is that the average value of accommodation is
changed by -1.0 diopter. The average refractive status for the
entire groups was measured at +0.7 diopters.
After t-zero the control group has an average value of -0.8
diopters during this test, whereas the test group has a value of
-1.8 diopters -- after the application of the -1.0 diopter lens.
This issue is to demonstrate that accommodation (as a signal)
controls its refractive status.
We can verify this by applying a "delta" in the average-value
of accommodation. The purpose is to establish a predictive model
for the behavior of the natural eye.
For day-zero the equation then looks as follows:
Long-
Term = Offset + Accommodation + Delta * [ 1 - Exp( -Time/Tau ) ]
Focus
Focus = +1.5 D + (- 0.8 D) + ( -1.0 D) * [ 1 - Exp ( - 0 / 100 ) ]
Focus = +0.7 diopters (before the test starts -- just
to verify the basic concept for the initial
conditions.)
After one day:
Focus = 1.5 + (-.8 ) + (-1.0) * [ 1 - 0.99]
Focus = +0.7 + (-1) * [ 0.01]
Focus = +0.7 - 0.01
Focus = +0.69 Diopters after one day of wearing a -1.0 diopter lens.
Otis> I hope the above clarifies your questions for a
solved-problem.
Comment > I have your book and I know where your to a certain
extent, but there are times that you are not clear.
Otis> I understand. That is why I suggest a tutorial on these
subjects. Many issues in fundamental physics are not clear
until after you have taken the course.
Comment > You have these problems so what is the instructional
objective to the student and what do you want them to
know?
Otis> That by analysis they have a predictive mathematical model
for the behavior of all natural eyes.
Otis> Then can form a judgment of the effect the lens will have in
their goal to clear their distant vision from -1/2 diopter
(20/40) to 20/20.
Comment > Do you know their mathematical background?
Otis> On entry, I would expect good knowledge of basic math, and
the ability to solve an equation of this type. After four
years, I would expect the engineers to understand WHY this
equations represents the behavior of the natural eye as a
sophisticated system. This work does indeed does take time
which is the reason I judge that this study should be
restricted to only pilot-engineers who understand scientific
analysis of the eye's behavior.
Comment > If they do not have the background then you have to fill
in the blanks to give momentum to the concept.
Otis> My intention is to present the problems below as a method of
getting their minds focused on what they are going to be
doing one year after they evaluate themselves and their own
personal goals in life. Thinking is always easier that
acting. Success favors the prepared mind.
Comment > If the above are not clear then the your recommended
approach for effective prevention will not work either.
Otis> Correct! It is going to take a highly educated pilot or
engineer to even begin to understand the issues raised by
these questions.
Otis> I must rely on the intellectual ability of a capable
engineer. Without that skill, it would be virtually
impossible to conduct a preventive study of this nature.
Otis> A large number of optometrists believe that accommodation
has no effect on the natural eye's refractive status. However a
significant number believe that environment plays a profound
role in producing a change in the refractive status of the
nature eye. Here is the commentary by "Dr L". for your
thoughtful evaluation.
DrL > I do insist that a minus lens has no effect on the
refractive status of an individual when properly prescribed
and properly used.
Otis> This is not true. There are many scientists, and a great
deal of experimental data that contradicts DrL's opinion.
The "second-opinion" by many scientists and optometrist is
that the refractive status of the eye will go "down" when
you place a strong minus lens on it.
Otis> Why don't you take the following test, and resolve this
issue by your own examination of scientific-objective facts,
themselves -- rather that relying on the opinion of others?
Initially we object to these questions. But the better idea
is to read them, put in the numbers, and crank out the correct
answers.
After that is done, we can back-track and discuss the reasons
for the questions, and the implications.
This is part of the fundamental approach used in the "hard"
sciences.
In all cases "focal status" means the following:
Using a trial-lens kit, read the Snellen eye chart at 6
meters.
If the person can read the character, then use plus in 1/8
diopter increments is added, until the .9 cm characters are "just
blurred", i.e., read only 3 out of 5 characters. This value is
recorded as the refractive status of the eye.
Similarly, if 1.8 characters are read, then increments of
-1/4 diopter will be used until the .9 cm characters are read (4
out of 5 characters). The value of the negative lens is recorded
as the negative refractive status of the eye.
In all cases, the pilot shall operate the trial-lens case to
make these measurements. Monitoring of his work will be provided
but the accuracy will be certified by the pilots making these
measurements.
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THE FOUR PROBLEM GROUPS
A test, or "questions" can often serve to clear-the-air, and
achieve a "clear mind" on a specific issue. The following
questions are designed to clarify the issues we have been
discussing.
I would expect that engineers and scientists will take the
following test and provide the correct questions.
Please answer the following multiple-choice questions.
PROBLEM 1
One hundred children (14 years of age) have been maintained
in a distant visual environment of -0.8 diopters for one year.
We find their initial refractive status (for the entire
group) is +0.7 diopters
At this point, half the children begin wearing a -1.0 diopter
lens. The other half wear no lens. Both groups continue to live
in the same visual environment, but obviously "environment" is
-1.0 diopters "closer". Thus, the accommodation system will be
"adjusted" for this change.
Use the following equation to answer the following questions.
Long-
Term = Offset + Accommodation + Delta * [ 1 - Exp( -Time/Tau ) ]
Focus
The "Delta" in this case equals the applied lens; which is
-1.0 diopters. The accommodation system will be -1 diopter
"closer" for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.
1. What is the status of the test group after 1 day?
(a) .69 Diopters
(b) -1.50 Diopters
(c) .70 Diopters
(d) Since heredity controls the focal setting of the eye, both
groups will continue to have the same focal status. In all
cases, the refractive status of the control group will be
identical to the test group.
2. What is the focal status of the test group after 30 days?
(a) -0.781 Diopters
(b) 0.441 Diopters
(c) 1.700 Diopters
(d) 0.700 Diopters
3. What is the focal status of the test group after 200 days?
(a) -.200 Diopters
(b) .172 Diopters
(c) -.165 Diopters
(d) .700 Diopters
4. What is the focal status of the test group after 360 days?
(a) +3.250 Diopters
(b) -3.000 Diopters
(c) -0.273 Diopters
(d) 0.700 Diopters
PROBLEM 2
The adolescent human eye is in the process of growing. As it
grows the optical components of the eye continually change in
value. Let us assume that there is a sudden optical shift of +1.0
diopters. (This would constitute noise in the system.) This
change in total power of the eye produces a new refractive status
of =0.2 Diopters. For purposes of this these, the average value
of accommodation remains constant at -0.7 Diopters for both eyes.
The original focal status was +.8 diopters. Immediately
after the one-diopter focal perturbation the focal status is -.2
diopters.
This situation could be induced by the application of a +1.0
diopter contact lens. Please use the equation:
Focus = Offset + Accommodation - Perturbation * Exp(-t/Tau)
Focus = 1.5 D - 0.7 D - ( +1.0 D ) * Exp ( -Time / 100 )
1. What is the focal status of this eye after 1 day?
(a) -.190 Diopters
(b) 4.20 Diopters
(c) -.200 Diopters
(d) Since genetic information controls the optical components,
the eye will not recover from focal perturbations. The
focal status will remain at -.200 diopters. In all cases,
the refractive status of the control group will be
identical to the test group.
2. What is the focal status of this eye 30 days after the
optical change has occurred?
(a) .270 Diopters
(b) -.0592 Diopters
(c) 1.400 Diopters
(d) -.200 Diopters
3. What is the focal status after 100 days?
(a) +.200 Diopters
(b) +.397 Diopters
(c) +0.432 Diopters
(d) -0.200 Diopters
4. What is the focal status after 360 days?
(a) +.617 Diopters
(b) +.200 Diopters
(c) +0.772 Diopters
(d) -0.200 Diopters
PROBLEM 3
Eighteen monkeys are living in a caged environment. they
have an average visual environment of -1.8 diopters. at the start
of the test half of the monkeys are placed in a hooded (-2.6
diopter) visual environment. As a result, the environment "delta"
is -0.8 diopters. The refractive status of both groups (average)
at the start of the test is -0.300 diopters.
Using the following equation, calculate the refractive status
of the test group for the following days after the start of the
test.
Focus = Offset + Accommodation + Delta * [ 1 - Exp(-t/Tau) ]
1. What is the focal status of the test monkeys after 1 day?
(a) -.308 Diopters
(b) +1.300 Diopters
(c) -0.300 Diopters
(d) Since the eye's focal status is genetically determined,
the focal status of the test group will be identical to the
focal status of the control group.
2. What is the focal status of the test monkeys after 30 days?
(a) -.445 Diopters
(b) -.507 Diopters
(c) +.200 Diopters
(d) -.300 Diopters
3. What is their focal status after 60 days.
(a) -1.433 Diopters
(b) -6.661 Diopters
(c) -0.661 Diopters
(d) -0.300 Diopters
4. What is their focal status after 360 days.
(a) +1.078 Diopters
(b) -0.782 Diopters
(c) -1.080 Diopters
(d) -0.300 Diopters
PROBLEM 4
CHANGE IN REFRACTIVE STATE BETWEEN THE LEFT AND RIGHT EYES
The natural eye of primates have refractive states that are
very close to each other in terms of diopters. It is believed
that the eyes can maintain this accuracy because each eye controls
its refractive status to its accommodation system.
Since the environment of each eye is almost identical, it
should be possible to prove this thesis. The method is very
simple. Change the "environment" with an applied contact lens of
a reasonable negative value of say -2.0 diopters.
In this test the refractive state of both eyes is +0.8
diopters. The average visual environment has been maintained at
-0.7 diopters.
A contact lens of -2.0 diopters applied to the left eye will
change the refractive status of that eye to +2.8 diopters. The
"input" accommodation signal will change by -2.0 diopters.
Thus the "input" to the right eye is -0.7 diopters, and the
left eye is -2.8 diopters.
The right eye, with no "perturbation-lens" act as the
"control" eye.
The Challenge
Calculate the refractive status (with the contact lens in
place) for the following days after the "t = 0" perturbation is
applied.
The equation is:
Focus = Offset + Accommodation - Perturbation * Exp(-t/Tau)
Focus = +1.5 D - 0.7 D - ( -2.0 D ) * Exp ( -Time / 100 )
1. What is the focal status of the left eye after 1 day?
(a) +2.78 Diopters
(b) +2.80 Diopters
(c) +0.80 Diopters
(d) Since genetic information controls the optical
components of the eye -- the differential refractive
status of the eyes will remain at +2.0 diopters.
2. What is the focal status of the left eye 30 days
after the optical change has occurred?
(a) -3.50 Diopters
(b) +2.28 Diopters
(c) +1.40 Diopters
(d) +2.80 Diopters
3. What is the focal status of the left eye after 100 days?
(a) +0.80 Diopters
(b) -1.50 Diopters
(c) +1.53 Diopters
(d) +2.80 Diopters
4. What is the focal status of the left eye after 360 days?
(a) +0.80 Diopters
(b) -3.20 Diopters
(c) +0.85 Diopters
(d) +2.80 Diopters
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DETAILED TERMINOLOGY AND DEFINITIONS
The word "time-constant" refers to the dynamic response of a
control system. The time-constant of the primate eye (when
tested) is approximately 100 days.
The Heredity-offset, or "offset" is a design value. The
value, from the best experimental data is approximately 1.5
diopters. Better designed experiments could determine a more
precise value. I would agree that this value is a function of the
individual's heredity, and would explain why some individuals
develop a negative refractive state sooner than others.
For the problems below use 1.5 diopters for the offset, and
100 days for the time-constant, "Tau".
The concept of "perturbation", is that the natural eye must
have a self-correcting mechanism -- if is a sophisticated control
system. This "perturbation" could be a change in corneal
curvature, change in atmospheric pressure, and other random event.
In order to artificially simulate this perturbation, when can
place a +1.0 diopter contact lens on the natural eye.
For instance, if the eye has a measured refractive status of
+0.8 diopters, and we place a +1.0 diopter contact lens on the
eye, the measured refractive status will be -0.20 Diopters. If we
could not "see" this contact lens in the eye, we would measure the
refractive status to be -0.20 diopters. This is to "trick" the
eye into changing its refractive status -- as a control system.
It constitutes critical proof that this process must exist for all
natural eyes.
A CONTROL SYSTEM ANALYSIS
The short-term (accommodation) control of the eye is accurate
and effective. It is likely that this (averaged) signal is made
available to the long-term growth control of the eye for correct
positioning of the retina relative to the accommodation system.
This is the thesis of this presentation. A feedback control
circuit will insure that the retina is adjusted to the average
visual environment of the eye.
The Laplace transform of the eye's growth control system is:
1 / (TAU s + 1)
TAU = Eye's Time-Constant, Approximately 100 days
Applying a step input to this transfer function results in:
OUTPUT = INPUT * TRANSFER FUNCTION
V(s) = [ V(s) / s ] * [ 1 / (Tau s + 1) ]
Translating this function into the time domain gives:
V ( out ) = V ( in ) * [ 1 - EXP ( - t / Tau ) ]
Establishing initial conditions, we find that the equation
for the normal eye's behavior has a physiological offset of about
1.5 diopters.
Focus = Offset + Accommodation + Step Input * [ 1 - EXP ( - t / Tau ) ]
Where:
Focus = The measured refractive status of the eye.
Offset = The difference between the average value of accommodation
and the focal state of the normal eye -- considered over a
period of months. (For a population of normal eyes
the average value is +1.5 diopters.)
Accommo-
dation = Normal accommodation. By design, the accommodation
system's focal state is almost an exact replica of the visual
environment. The system is blur-driven and has a time-
constant of about 1/4 of a second.
Step-
Input = The step-input represents a sharp quantitative change in
the average value of accommodation.
Exp = Exponential function.
- t / Tau
e = Exp ( - t / Tau )
e = 2.718
t = Time, in days after the step change is induced in the
average visual environment.
Tau = The time-constant of a normal eye. All normal eyes have
a time-constant. (The typical value for the normal eye
is 100 days)
Scott Seidman - 21 Jul 2004 16:41 GMT
otisbrown@pa.net (Otis Brown) wrote in news:6dbddb9.0407210636.7d364359
@posting.google.com:
> After you provide the correct answers we can then discuss
> your belief (it seems) that the natural eye does not behave as a
> control system.
Read back on every one of my posts. When did I ever say that the natural
eye does not behave as a control system.
I see no reason to crunch through your single decaying exponential model
when you provide no human data to assert its validity. While I have defend
myself against the assumption that I don't understand control systems
analysis, a medline search should prove otherwise.
Scott
Otis Brown - 22 Jul 2004 04:52 GMT
> otisbrown@pa.net (Otis Brown) wrote in news:6dbddb9.0407210636.7d364359
> @posting.google.com:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Read back on every one of my posts. When did I ever say that the natural
> eye does not behave as a control system.
You critizied my characterization of the natural eye
as a control system.
Can I take it then that you agree with me
about the fact that the natural eye
is a sophisticated control system?
> I see no reason to crunch through your single decaying exponential model
> when you provide no human data to assert its validity.
I suggested that you learn from answering the questions!
I have seen many stuffed-shirts proclaim their
"expertise" and when you ask them
a direct-and-honest question, the
"fade".
Do not critize my mathematical modeling efforts
on the behavior of the natural eye -- if you
have nothing to offer to this process.
While I have defend
> myself against the assumption that I don't understand control systems
> analysis, a medline search should prove otherwise.
Please, do not tell me about your presumed "expertise" -- I have
seen enough of it.
We can have a pleasant conversation about the details
of applying concept and methods of physilogical
modeling -- if you will take that first step.
Just do it!!
> Scott
Jan - 22 Jul 2004 10:20 GMT
> I suggested that you learn from answering the questions!
>
> I have seen many stuffed-shirts proclaim their
> "expertise" and when you ask them
> a direct-and-honest question, the
> "fade".
Otis, did this realy came out of your mouth?
> Just do it!!
I agree Otis, showtime for Otis!
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
Scott Seidman - 22 Jul 2004 13:09 GMT
otisbrown@pa.net (Otis Brown) wrote in news:6dbddb9.0407211952.224f8235
@posting.google.com:
> Can I take it then that you agree with me
> about the fact that the natural eye
> is a sophisticated control system?
Every homeostatic mechanism in a living organism is a control system at
some level of sophistication. The near triad is such a control system.
That doesn't mean that there is anything that the plus lens can do in the
post-development level of the human eye to prevent myopia.
Scott
Dr. Leukoma - 22 Jul 2004 13:34 GMT
> otisbrown@pa.net (Otis Brown) wrote in
> news:6dbddb9.0407211952.224f8235 @posting.google.com:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Scott
I notice that Otis constantly bludgeons us with the terms "natural eye,"
"dynamic eye," and "sophisticated control system." Perhaps he should
trademark those terms, as Donald Trump has attempted to trademark the
phrase "you're fired."
DrG