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Lit research for "See Clearly Method"?

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KKramsch - 20 Jul 2004 12:55 GMT
 I know that exercise-based techniques for correcting vision,
whether they are effective and scientifically sound or not, have
been around for *at least* 55-60 years (http://tinyurl.com/4myv6
), and therefore I am hoping to find some scientific evaluation/review
of these methods.  My immediate interest is to weigh the claims of
the "See Clearly Method", which currently is being aggressively
advertised in the US.  I haven't found the right keywords for my
search.  What keywords can I use to do a PubMed search on this
topic?  Do these exercise-based techniques go by some generic
technical name?

 Thanks!

    -Karl
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Otis Brown - 20 Jul 2004 19:50 GMT
> I know that exercise-based techniques for correcting vision,
> whether they are effective and scientifically sound or not, have
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>
>     -Karl

Dear Karl,

Actually, preventive methods have been "around" for
the last 100 years.

The methods of "fixing" the eye with a lens go
back 400 years.  They all work, and are impressive
in their own way.

But a number of ODs and MDs (notably Dr. Bates), realized
that the "quick-fix" minus lens has a secondary consequence.
He advocated "exersize" or "relazation", but was totally
ignored since these methods profuced no "quick fix".

The only other method that could work -- would be
PREVENTION with a plus lens.  But that process is
not based on "exercise" but rather an understanding
that the eye is a "dynamic device" and is controlling
its REFRACTIVE STATUS to its average visual enviroment
(as a sophisticated system -- not as a broken camera).

You can find Dr. Bates on www.i-see.org.
Alex Eulenberg has his complete book for your review -- for
free.

Let us know what you think of these alternative
PREVENTIVE methods.

Best,

Otis

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Francine - 20 Jul 2004 21:11 GMT
Otis, Bates is not "exercise-based." Any Bates aficionado can tell Karl
that.

Fran

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>> I know that exercise-based techniques for correcting vision,
>> whether they are effective and scientifically sound or not, have
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Rishi Giovanni Gatti - 20 Jul 2004 20:20 GMT
> I know that exercise-based techniques for correcting vision,
> whether they are effective and scientifically sound or not, have
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> topic?  Do these exercise-based techniques go by some generic
> technical name?

The research is not done properly otherwise the whole industry of
refraction business will fall down, at least before science.

They do a crippled research, using blind groups, so they have the same
wrong statistics for ever.

A "blind" group, used to shed light?

A simple contradiction.

Unless medical men will learn that each individual is built unique,
they won't help anybody really. They will go on selling their false
science and propose "quick un-fixes" to the gullibles.

Inbtelligent people will discard very soon these kind of researches
because they are false.

The succes of marketing of this S.C.N. is just a marketing success:
since it thrives on effort, it won't help to heal the eyesight: it
will help to improve, just as th eyesight improves when you stay
without glasses for a while.

But if the addiction to glasses is recent, I believe the
effort-methods have some utility in prevention, for a time.

I bet that all the positive results claimed from the S.C.M. people or
other system advertised on the Internet, as far as I know, will fall
down in time, because with effort, you tire, before or after.

Only rest rests.

Please visit my webpage http://thecentralfixation.com
Francine - 20 Jul 2004 21:09 GMT
Karl, the "See Clearly Method" is just about useless. Exercise-based vision
improvement methods DO work, under the supervision of a Vision-Training
Optometrist. They must be set up for the individual case; it does not work
otherwise.

You can find out more about Vision Therapy or Vision Training at
http://www.covd.org or http://www.oep.org and at my newsgroup about the
system, "Focus On Vision Training." There is lots of literature and
scientific papers, in my group files, at the OEP and COVD web sites, and
online elsewhere. It is not difficult to find.

Cheers,
Francine
"Focus On Vision Training" Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/focus_on_vision_training/

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> I know that exercise-based techniques for correcting vision,
> whether they are effective and scientifically sound or not, have
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>
> -Karl
KKramsch - 21 Jul 2004 00:19 GMT
>Karl, the "See Clearly Method" is just about useless. Exercise-based vision
>improvement methods DO work, under the supervision of a Vision-Training
>Optometrist. They must be set up for the individual case; it does not work
>otherwise.

>You can find out more about Vision Therapy or Vision Training at
>http://www.covd.org or http://www.oep.org and at my newsgroup about the
>system, "Focus On Vision Training." There is lots of literature and
>scientific papers, in my group files, at the OEP and COVD web sites, and
>online elsewhere. It is not difficult to find.

 Thanks!

    -Karl

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