Medical Forum / General / Vision / May 2004
Development of Refractive Error
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Dr Judy - 15 May 2004 20:54 GMT Otis makes statements about what he calls the "behaviour of the natural eye" in response to "the average visual environment". He bases these statements on animal research using neo natal chickens and primates with simulated refractive error. They were designed to study how the eye corrects itself when presented with large congential (present at birth) refractive error. He concludes that using a plus lens for near work will reverse myopia in adult humans.
Lets look at what happens to the eyes in the research. A large amount of congenital hyperopia is rapidly corrected by modification of the growth of the eye and the adult animal ends up emmetropic or nearly so. A large amount of congenital myopia is more slowly and less thoroughly corrected, and (this is important) if the myopia simulating device is removed for a minimun of 2 hours a day, the myopia is not corrected. A congenital myope who sees clearly without accomodation for a few hours a day may well end up still myopic as an adult.
Now lets look at the "visual environments" of the experimental animals. For the hyperopes, retinal blur is present at all times and at all viewing distances. Blur can be only be relieved through accomodation by flexing the muscle controlling the lens inside the eye and the use of accomodation at any time or viewing distance will always reduce retinal blur.
For the myopes retinal blur is present only some of the time and at some viewing distances. Blur cannot be relieved ever for most distances (beyond far point). Accomodation will increase blur for most viewing distances (beyond far point), and will reduce blur for some viewing distances (closer than far point). A viewing distance exists for which there is no retinal blur when accomodation is not in use (far point).
For emmetropes, retinal blur is present only some of the time and at some viewing distances. Blur cannot be relieved ever for a few distances (closer than nearest point of most accomodation). Accomodation will increase blur for most viewing distances (anything further than about 6ft), and will reduce blur for some viewing distances (closer than about 6ft). Viewing distances exists for which there is no retinal blur when accomodation is not in use (farther than about 6 ft).
The tricky bit for the animal is to decide how to respond to the retinal blur. Increasing the rate of growth of the eyeball will fix the blur found in hyperopia, but will make the blur found in myopia and emmetropia worse. Decreasing the rate of growth of the eyeball will fix the blur found in myopia, but will make the blur found in hyperopia and emmetropia worse. Not changing the rate of growth will maintain the blur of emmetropia and will not make myopic or hyperopic blur worse; neither will it improve them.
As seen above, there is a major difference between the blur found in hyperopia and the other two conditions: it is present at all times and at all viewing distances and can only be relieved by accomodation. So, if the eye determines that blur is present all the time, it would be very safe to increase the rate of growth of the eye. This also explains why, when experimental conditions are designed to subject the eye to constant blur, as with fogging lenses or by the use of a confined environment, the eye responds by speeding up growth. If the eye was, in fact, not hyperopic, then the increased growth will result in myopia. The eye must be very careful to not increase growth in response to conditions of confined environment and the research bears this out: as long as there is at least 2 hours a day without retinal blur, the eye will not respond with increased growth.
There is a minor difference between the blur found in myopia and that of emmetropia; the emmetrope will have a larger range of conditions in which retinal blur is absent when accommodation is not in use. However, for some low amounts of myopia, say between -1.00 and -3.00, there will be little difference: the emmetrope has little retinal blur for viewing further than 6 ft away and the low myope will have little retinal blur for distances closer. It is much more difficult for the eye to determine whether the sometimes retinal blur condition is emmetropia or myopia and thus we are not surprised that the eye is more cautious in decreasing growth. This also explains why the eye does not self correct low amounts of myopia very well.
Now, how would using a plus lens at near affect things? For the hyperope, it would introduce a period of no retinal blur when accomodation is not in use and may stop the eye from correcting itself. For the emmetrope, it will provide more time with no retinal blur and may help the eye not change. For the myope, it will provide more time with no retinal blur, making myopia even harder to differentiate from emmetropia and thus may stop the eye from slowing growth and self correcting.
So what do you think? Leaving aside the question of neonates vs adults, does the animal research suggest that using a plus lens at near is likely to prevent or reverse myopia?
Dr Judy
Dr. Leukoma - 15 May 2004 23:25 GMT > Otis makes statements about what he calls the "behaviour of the > natural eye" in response to "the average visual environment". He [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > Dr Judy Perhaps some myopes and emmetropes perceive blur 100% of the time, i.e. in the form of spherical aberration and/or accommodative lag.... and perhaps this explains some of the effect of RGP lenses in slowing the progression of myopia.
DrG
Otis Brown - 25 May 2004 17:22 GMT Dear Judy,
Thanks for your commentary. I just caught up with it.
Since I advocated that my nephew "take control" of his distant vision (but use of the plus) I will pass it on to him.
I would clarify one basic issue.
If I talk about "pure" science and the behavior of the completely natural (or native) eye, and only about DIRECT MEASUREMENTS, then I am not talking about your profession.
So far, that is the way I have presented it.
If you honestly believe that the natural (or evolution designed eye) is NOT DYNAMIC, and a scientific (not medical issue) then that is fine also.
In any event, I use neutral words to describe an natural eye that can have a negative or positive refractive status (not "defect") depending on both its average-visual environment, and the applied lens.
Best,
Otis Engineer
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> Otis makes statements about what he calls the "behaviour of the natural eye" > in response to "the average visual environment". He bases these statements [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Dr Judy Mike Tyner - 25 May 2004 18:19 GMT > If I talk about "pure" science and the behavior > of the completely natural (or native) eye, > and only about DIRECT MEASUREMENTS, then > I am not talking about your profession. Our profession takes direct measurements fairly often. How often do you?
> If you honestly believe that the natural > (or evolution designed eye) is NOT DYNAMIC, Refraction changes over time. Why would we believe otherwise?
> and a scientific (not medical issue) then > that is fine also. So the cause of myopia is off-limits to "medical" science.
> In any event, I use neutral words to > describe an natural eye that can have > a negative or positive refractive status > (not "defect") depending on both > its average-visual environment, and > the applied lens. No, you use ambiguous words like "natural" and "defect" to suit your hypothesis.
1/3 of the US population does not vary in response to the average visual environment, and another 1/3 varies the wrong way. On the face of it, your hypothesis is wrong 67% of the time. Not that you care.
-MT
Dr Judy - 25 May 2004 18:22 GMT > Dear Judy, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and only about DIRECT MEASUREMENTS, then > I am not talking about your profession. I don't understand. Clinical optometrists do not do the animal studies, they were done by vision scientists taking direct measurements.
> So far, that is the way I have presented > it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and a scientific (not medical issue) then > that is fine also. What do you mean by dynamic? By dynamic I mean that the refractive error, as measured by cycloplegic refraction, of the eye changes over time and also that the uncyclopleged eye can adjust its focus (through accommodation) moment by moment as the distance to objects of regard change. This latter is a temporary focus change and when accomodation relaxes, the eye reverts to its cycloplegic refractive error.
In the post I described the dynamic things that happened to the experimental animal eyes and then applied that to speculate about what that would mean for the normal course of development of refractive error if human eyes acted the same way and how using a plus lens at near might affect the normal course of development.
You didn't comment on the conclusion I drew from the research:
"> > Now, how would using a plus lens at near affect things? For the hyperope,
> > it would introduce a period of no retinal blur when accomodation is not in > > use and may stop the eye from correcting itself. For the emmetrope, it will [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > does the animal research suggest that using a plus lens at near is likely to > > prevent or reverse myopia?" Dr Judy
> In any event, I use neutral words to > describe an natural eye that can have [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > > > Dr Judy Otis Brown - 26 May 2004 00:37 GMT Dear Judy,
Thanks for your commentary.
As I acknowledged, the person (or pilot) should take is personal time to review these issues (while he still passes the state Snellen-DMV test).
Prevention (i.e., maintining clear distant vision for life) is indeed difficult. A truth I have never denied.
I suggest it is possible for the highly motiveted person who understands that the meaining of -1/3 diopter per years in a four year college.
He has a choice.
1. Neglect -- and hope for the best.
2. Study the situation and determine on a course of action.
That is an honest, choice. A "fighting chance".
Since the effort must be personal sustained commitment, you obviously can not be involved.
Incidentally, I agree that, once you begin wearing a strong minus lens, you can not "reverse myopia". This only increases the need for understanding the necessity of using the plus BEFORE the minus lens is used.
Hope you understand that issue.
Best,
Otis Engineer
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> > Dear Judy, > > [quoted text clipped - 196 lines] > > > > > > Dr Judy Frostypaw - 26 May 2004 12:02 GMT > Incidentally, I agree that, once you begin > wearing a strong minus lens, you can not > "reverse myopia". This only increases the > need for understanding the necessity > of using the plus BEFORE the minus lens > is used. I love this concept that Otis has that the moment you place the wrong type of shape of piece of glass in front of your eyes you're doomed forever - but place the right type and magically you will be cured and win the lottery as long as you check it all yourself and never let anyone else check your eyes.
Insane!
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Otis Brown - 27 May 2004 04:20 GMT Dear Inane,
For people who are shallow in their thinking perhaps you have a point.
Other, more thoughtful, will have to form their own opinion about a quick-fix, with a minus lens, versus work to keep their distant vision clear with a plus.
Best,
Otis Engineer
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> > Incidentally, I agree that, once you begin > > wearing a strong minus lens, you can not [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Who?!? Dr. Leukoma - 27 May 2004 12:54 GMT Once again, Frostypaw has driven home a good point with humor. Otis appears not to get the point, which is that using plus to prevent axial myopia is not supported by science.
DrG
> Dear Inane, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Who?!? Otis Brown - 28 May 2004 18:54 GMT Congratulations to Frosty Paw.
If I were ladeling out minus lenses en-masse, I guess I would fall in love with the process.
Of course Frosty ignores the true effect the minus lens has on the refractive status of the natural eye.
His position would collapes if he told the real truth about that issue.
And that would be bad for business -- but of course.
Best,
Otis
Engineer
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> Once again, Frostypaw has driven home a good point with humor. Otis > appears not to get the point, which is that using plus to prevent axial [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >> > >> Who?!? Dr Judy - 29 May 2004 03:11 GMT > Dear Judy, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > person who understands that the meaining of > -1/3 diopter per years in a four year college. And he/she should understand that if we accept the idea that a plus lens at near works to reduce myopia, we must also accept the logical consequences: about 25% of those who use the plus lens will prevent myopia, the rest will cause increased hyperopia.
> He has a choice. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > need for understanding the necessity > of using the plus BEFORE the minus lens You have repeatedly stated that you believe your plus lens system will reverse myopia. So why now are you saying that you cannot reverse it? Have you changed your mind?
Dr Judy
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