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Needed,glass polarized SV lens for my frame

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lawmakr - 21 Apr 2004 07:05 GMT
Greetings all,I'm having a problem finding a local shop in this small
town that can replace my lens with a very mild single vision polarized
glass lens. I have a nice frame that fit's me properly so all I need
are the lens. Can anyone here suggest to me whom I need to contact to
order these. Also,what would be considered a fair price for a
0.25/0.75 perscription of this type of lens?
Mark A - 21 Apr 2004 07:33 GMT
> Greetings all,I'm having a problem finding a local shop in this small
> town that can replace my lens with a very mild single vision polarized
> glass lens. I have a nice frame that fit's me properly so all I need
> are the lens. Can anyone here suggest to me whom I need to contact to
> order these. Also,what would be considered a fair price for a
> 0.25/0.75 perscription of this type of lens?

Is there some reason you don't want plastic?
lawmakr - 21 Apr 2004 17:49 GMT
> Is there some reason you don't want plastic?

Yes,I'm leaving for Iraq and need the extra scratch resistance.
Robert Martellaro - 21 Apr 2004 19:23 GMT
>Greetings all,I'm having a problem finding a local shop in this small
>town that can replace my lens with a very mild single vision polarized
>glass lens. I have a nice frame that fit's me properly so all I need
>are the lens. Can anyone here suggest to me whom I need to contact to
>order these. Also,what would be considered a fair price for a
>0.25/0.75 perscription of this type of lens?

Any lab that processes glass lenses can supply polarized glass. The optician
just needs to call the lab that does their glass work.

Keep in mind that this type of glass lens cannot be tempered. If the glasses are
dropped onto a hard surface the lens can crack quite easily.

Hope this helps

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
 - Richard Feynman
lawmakr - 21 Apr 2004 23:39 GMT
> >Greetings all,I'm having a problem finding a local shop in this small
> >town that can replace my lens with a very mild single vision polarized
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>
> Hope this helps

I will take very good care of these,thanks for the advise. The very
best price I've been able to find via the interent today was $90 using
my frames,I'm hoping to find less expensive because of my limited
budget,is this possible?
Robert Martellaro - 22 Apr 2004 19:24 GMT
>> >Greetings all,I'm having a problem finding a local shop in this small
>> >town that can replace my lens with a very mild single vision polarized
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>my frames,I'm hoping to find less expensive because of my limited
>budget,is this possible?

Unlikely. The polarizing axis must be correct, Rx must be ground accurately,
accurate  optical center placement, good fit and finish, without excessive
minimum lens thickness (less than 2.6mm). I would strongly recommend that your
optician or doctor inspect the lenses. There aren't too many labs that output,
with any reasonable amount consistency, high quality lenses, let alone an
internet retail venturer.

Hope this helps

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
 - Richard Feynman
Repeating Rifle - 22 Apr 2004 21:41 GMT
>> I will take very good care of these,thanks for the advise. The very
>> best price I've been able to find via the interent today was $90 using
>> my frames,I'm hoping to find less expensive because of my limited
>> budget,is this possible?

Do what I do. Get clip on polarized glasses at the 99¢ store when they are
available.

Bill
Repeating Rifle - 21 Apr 2004 23:39 GMT
> Any lab that processes glass lenses can supply polarized glass. The optician
> just needs to call the lab that does their glass work.

Unless there is a new development in optics, I have never heard of polarized
glass. At best, you will have a "naked" polarizing film beteween two pieces
of glass. Polaroid itself will be such a film between two sheets of plastic.

Bill
Robert Martellaro - 22 Apr 2004 17:30 GMT
>> Any lab that processes glass lenses can supply polarized glass. The optician
>> just needs to call the lab that does their glass work.
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>
>Bill

Bill,

Here's one of the best explanations that I have seen concerning the theory and
practice of opthalmic polarizing films. From a discussion at optiboard written
by Darryl Meister.

"I'm sure that there are several good references on Polaroid films. Most
ophthalmic optics text, however, will only give you a general explanation. To
make a long story short... The film has molecules that are all aligned in the
same direction. This is often done by stretching a thin sheet of polyvinyl
alcohol, for instance (and then soaking it in iodine). These molecules have
electron bonds that are stronger in one orientation and weaker in another (and
all of them are now aligned). When light passes through the film, the electric
field component of the light is able to "do more work" on the electrons with the
weaker bonds. (Remember that light has energy.) As the light does work, its
energy is converted into heat. Consequently, the light is effectively absorbed.
This only occurs though, for light waves vibrating at the same orientation as
the aligned electrons."

"Waves of light reflected off diffuse surfaces or emitted from common light
sources, like the sun and light bulbs, vibrate at random orientations as they
travel away from their source. This light is non-polarized; some of the waves
will be vibrating through the horizontal plane, some through the vertical plane,
and some through oblique planes, in between the two. However, when light is
reflected off certain relatively smooth surfaces, such as pavement or water,
much of the reflected light is confined to the horizontal plane of vibration. At
a certain angle to these surfaces, known as Brewster's angle, the waves of light
are completely confined to the horizontal plane. This reflected light is
generally perceived as troublesome glare.

Now, since the glare reflected off of these surfaces is generally confined to
the horizontal plane, a filter that eliminates waves of light vibrating in the
horizontal plane will eliminate this glare. A sunglass lens, however, reduces
all light, including waves of light vibrating in the vertical plane. The only
way a sunglass lens can completely eliminate reflected glare, which is confined
to the horizontal plane, is for it to completely eliminate all light (not
terribly feasible). Fortunately, a Polaroid filter virtually eliminates waves of
light vibrating in one plane. (See the other post for a complete discussion of
how this is achieved.) Now, since polarized sunglasses are generally worn to
eliminate reflected glare, they are oriented to absorb waves of light vibrating
in the horizontal plane.

Because a basic Polaroid filter absorbs light vibrating in the horizontal plane,
some of the light is lost by necessity. After all, if it doesn't eliminate this
glare, it doesn't serve much use.  Since a filter that absorbs any light will
not appear perfectly clear, a basic Polaroid filter cannot appear clear, either.
The more light a filter absorbs, the more grey it will appear. Furthermore, all
waves of light, even those vibrating through oblique planes, can be resolved
into horizontal and vertical components (planes). (Like a prism at axis 45 can
be converted into horizontal and vertical prisms...) Consequently, half of all
light is vibrating through a horizontal plane, while the other half is vibrating
through a vertical plane. This means that a perfect Polaroid filter will
actually absorb 50% of the light passing through it (i.e., all of the horizontal
light). This also means that, while a Polaroid filter can be tinted to absorb
more than 50% of the incident light, it cannot absorb less than 50% and still
completely eliminate reflected glare."

http://www.visioncareproducts.com/05/lenses_polarized.html  briefly discusses
the manufacturing processes.

Regards,

Robert
Repeating Rifle - 22 Apr 2004 21:39 GMT
>>> Any lab that processes glass lenses can supply polarized glass. The optician
>>> just needs to call the lab that does their glass work.
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>
> Here's one of the best explanations that I have seen concerning the theory

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In your explanation that I snipped you go over how the "naked" film is made.
That is not polarized glass. It is what you do with that film to make a thin
lens that is difficult.

Bill
 
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