Dear Mike,
Yes, I have friends in optometry, and I deeply respect
the fact that they deal with a great mass of people
who walk in off the street -- and have no
motivation to use the plus for prevention.
And indeed, I only "deal" with people who have
concern for their long-term distant vision.
I present neutral facts to them, and acknowledge
how difficult prevention is. Indeed, the
minus lens is very easy, and I can undderstand
what it takse a person with very strong
"purpose", like Dr. Colgate, to use it correctly.
But is fairness to you, and to others who have
some interest in protecting their distant vision
for life -- I will post it to them.
Mostly they are college graduates, and
have seen these arguments and counter-arguments before.
They have learned to choose between two
mutually exclusive alternatives -- to their
own best advantage.
Best,
Otis
Engineer
cc: Dr. Colgate
Dr. Leung
Alfred
Keith B.
David DeAnglis
Alex E.
Don Rehm
******
> I found these descriptions recently, and I couldn't miss the similarity to
> arguments we've heard on s.m.v. about "the minus". These are emotional
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> 18. Reaction formation - Posturing the opposite of what we really believe and
> feel.
Mike Tyner - 18 Apr 2004 00:42 GMT
> I present neutral facts to them,
No, you claim that minus aggravates myopia and plus prevents it. That isn't a
neutral fact. It contradicts the textbooks written by people who generally know
more than you or Dr. Colgate about myopia.
Describing your misconceptions as "neutral facts" is evasive and borders on
deceit.
Making myopes responsible for their myopia is like blaming them for the size of
their feet. It's unfair and it's cruel and it's a waste of time.
If "prevention is difficult" means "it might work but not likely" then we agree.
The professions can't spend time on it. You're right.
> They have learned to choose between two
> mutually exclusive alternatives -- to their
> own best advantage.
Biology is all black and white, zeroes and ones? No SDs, no CIs, no t-tests?
-MT
Dear Mike,
Yes, I have seen statments that "prove" that
a minus lens has NO EFFECT on the refractive
status of the natural eye.
As a engineer -- I will accept your claim
until I actually make the measurement of
a population of normal eyed primates.
If you are right -- no problem.
If you are wrong -- then I expect
a whole series of arguments
(no scientific) from you
as detailed below.
Depends on the precise language
you use to describe the behavior of
a very sophisticated system -- which
is the way the natural eye is.
Best,
Otis
Engineer
******
Dear Friends,
In working on the concept of the eye's dynamic behavior I
have encountered a whole series of counter-arguments.
Some are reasonable and should be addressed (and have been)
on an engineering-scientific level. However many of them are
"protective" in nature of the traditional minus-lens method.
Mr. Stanley V. McDaniel's excellent book, "The McDaniel
Report, How to 'debunk' just about anything" as abridged by Daniel
Drasin (North Atlantic Books: 1993, ISBN 1-55643-088-4) is an
excellent antidote for these counter-arguments.
These argument (below) have proven to be effective in
preventing an effort to work towards true nearsightedness
prevention. I have encountered them in various forms. Add to
this the fact that most people put scant value on their distant
vision, and you have the case for hermetically sealed ignorance --
and a complete block to taking the first steps to achieve
effective nearsightedness prevention.
The facts that demonstrate the natural eye's behavior are
clear on a scientific level. However, the following arguments
have been proven to be effective in derailing this perception of
scientific (experimental) truth.
For the above reasons I have also made it my business to
collect particularly egregious examples of this art of
*de-bunkery* -- or the substitution of this pseudo-scientific
propaganda for fundamental scientific research concerning basic
factual truth about the dynamic behavior of the natural eye.
We should understand what makes this "de-bunkery" tick.
Stanley has catalogued literally dozens of manipulative tricks and
techniques with which generations of "debunkers" have successfully
achieved the arrest or suppression of a broad range of discovery
and innovation as they concern the PREVENTION of nearsightedness.
To provide additional assistance and inspiration to the
novice and others who argue for *new ideas* and scientific
concepts, Stanley has clearly articulated his extensive collection
as assembled below -- which I have edited slightly. This is a
modest primer on the how-to's of "de-bunkery" by "professions" who
dislike any change in orthodoxy or criticism of the "accepted"
traditional method.
Properly understood and applied, (against any fundamentally
new scientific concept) these principles may be instrumental in
delaying rational inquiry into the question of the natural eye's
dynamic behavior by decades, and perhaps by centuries.
General "De-bunkery"
Or how to "put down" *anyone* who questions existing
orthodoxy that insists that all eyes are fixed box-cameras that
can never change their refractive status as their visual environment
is changed. A great mass of experimental data collected over the
past fifty years clearly demonstrates that the eye does in fact
change its refractive status as the visual environment is changed.
There is scant direct scientific evidence to support the
excessively idealized notion that the eye is, and behaves as a
"fixed" box-camera, or optical bench.
Regardless, the traditional (400 year-old) method of the
minus lens "wins" this argument. This is for the reasons stated
below -- and the true scientific facts are totally ignored. Here
are some of the reasons for this failure of scientific perception.
COUNTER-ARGUMENTS
1. Put on the "right face". Cultivate a condescending air that
suggests that your personal opinions are backed by the full
faith and credit of "God". Employ vague, subjective,
dismissive terms such as "ridiculous" or "trivial" in a
manner that suggests they have the full force of "scientific
authority".
2. Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but
as a holy war against unruly hordes of "quackery-worshiping
infidels". Since in war the ends justify the means, you may
fudge, stretch or violate scientific method, or even omit it
entirely, in the name of defending "the scientific method".
3. Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible.
This will "send the message" that "accepted theory" over-rides
any actual evidence that might challenge it -- and that
therefore no such evidence is worth examining.
4. Reinforce the popular misconception that certain subjects are
inherently unscientific. In other words, deliberately
confuse the *process* of science with the *content* of
science.
(Someone may, of course, object that science must
be neutral to subject matter and that only the investigative
process can be scientifically responsible or irresponsible.
If that happens, dismiss such objections using a method
employed successfully by generations of politicians: simply
reassure everyone that "there is no contradiction here.")
5. Arrange to have your message echoed by persons of authority.
The degree to which you can stretch the truth is directly
proportional to the prestige of your mouthpiece.
6. Always refer to unorthodox statements as "claims," which are
"touted," and to your own assertions as "facts " which are
"stated."
7. Avoid examining the actual evidence. This allows you to say
with impunity, "I have seen absolutely no evidence to support
such ridiculous claims!"
(Note that this technique has withstood the test
of time, and dates back at least to the age of
Galileo. By simply refusing to look through his
telescope, the ecclesiastical authorities bought the Church
over three centuries' worth of denial free and clear.)
8. If examining the evidence becomes unavoidable, report back
that "there is nothing new here." If confronted by a
water-tight body of evidence that has survived the most
rigorous tests, simply dismiss it as being "too pat."
9. Equate the necessary skeptical component of science with *all*
of science. Emphasize the narrow, stringent, rigorous and
critical elements of science to the exclusion of intuition,
inspiration, exploration and integration. If anyone objects,
accuse them of viewing science in exclusively fuzzy,
subjective or metaphysical terms.
10. Insist that the progress of science depends on explaining the
unknown in terms of the known. In other words, science
equals *reductionism. You can apply the reductionism
approach in any situation by discarding more and more and
more evidence until what little is left can finally be
explained entirely in terms of established knowledge.
11. Downplay the fact that free inquiry, legitimate disagreement
and respectful debate are a normal part of science.
12. At every opportunity reinforce the notion that what is
*familiar* is necessarily *rational*. The unfamiliar is
therefore irrational -- and consequently in-admissible as
evidence.
13. State categorically that the "un-conventional" arises
exclusively from the will-to-believe and may be dismissed as,
at best, an honest "mis-interpretation" of the conventional.
14. Maintain that in investigations of "un-conventional"
phenomena, a single flaw or misstep invalidates the whole.
In a "conventional" context, however, you may sagely remind
the world that, " ... after all, situations are complex and
human beings are imperfect."
15. "Occam's Razor," or the "principle of parsimony," suggests
that the correct explanation of a mystery will usually
involve the simplest fundamental principles. Insist,
therefore, that the most *familiar* explanation is by
definition the *simplest*.
16. Discourage any study of history that may reveal today's dogma
as yesterday's heresy. Likewise, avoid discussing the many
historical and philosophical parallels between science and
democracy.
17. Since the public tends to be unclear about the distinction
between evidence and proof, do your best to help maintain
this murkiness. If absolute proof is lacking, state
categorically that there is no evidence.
18. If sufficient evidence has been presented to warrant further
investigation of an unusual phenomenon, argue that "evidence
alone proves nothing!" Ignore the fact that preliminary
evidence is not *supposed* to prove *anything*.
19. In any case, imply that proof *precedes* evidence. This will
eliminate the possibility of initiating any meaningful
process of investigation particularly if no criteria of proof
have yet been established for the phenomenon in question.
20. Insist that the criteria of proof cannot possibly be
established for phenomena that do not exist!
21. Although science is not supposed to tolerate vague or double
standards, always insist that "unconventional phenomena" must
be judged by a separate, yet ill-defined, set of scientific
rules. Do this by declaring that "extraordinary claims
demand extraordinary evidence" but take care never to define
where the "ordinary" ends and the "extraordinary" begins.
This will allow you to manufacture an infinitely receding
evidential-horizon, i.e., to define "extraordinary" evidence
as that which lies just out of reach at any point-in-time.
22. Practice debunkery-by-association. Lump together all
phenomena popularly deemed "paranormal" and suggest that
their proponents and researchers speak with a single voice.
In this way you can indiscriminately drag material across
disciplinary lines or from one case to another to support
your views as needed.
For example, if a claim having some superficial similarity to the
one at hand has been (or is popularly *assumed* to have been)
exposed as fraudulent, cite it as if it were an appropriate
example. Then put on a gloating smile, lean back in your
armchair and simply say, "I rest my case."
23. Use the word "imagination" as an epithet that applies only to
seeing what's *not* there, and not to denying what *is*
there.
24. Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. It is far and away the single
most chillingly effective weapon in the war against discovery
and innovation. Ridicule has the unique power to make people
of virtually any persuasion go completely unconscious in a
twinkling.
It fails to sway only those few who are of sufficiently
independent of mind not to buy into that kind of emotional
"consensus building" that ridicule provides.
25. By appropriate innuendo and example, imply that ridicule
constitutes an essential feature of scientific method -- that
can raise the level of objectivity, integrity and
dispassionateness with which any investigation is conducted.
26. Imply that investigators of the "unorthodox" are zealots.
Suggest that in order to investigate the existence of
something one must first believe in it absolutely. Then
demand that all such "true believers" know all the answers to
their most puzzling questions in complete detail ahead of
time.
Convince people of your own sincerity by reassuring them that you
yourself would "love to believe in these 'fantastic
phenomena'" -- carefully side-stepping the fact that science
is not about believing or disbelieving, but about finding
out.
27. Trivialize the case by trivializing the entire field in
question. Characterize the study of orthodox phenomena as
deep and time-consuming, while deeming that of "unusual
phenomena" is so insubstantial as to demand nothing more than
a scan of the tabloids.
If pressed on this, simply say "but there's nothing there to
study!" Characterize any serious investigator of the
unorthodox as a "buff' or "freak," or as "self-styled" -- the
media's favorite code-word for "bogus."
28. Remember that most people do not have sufficient time or
expertise for careful discrimination, and tend to accept or
reject the whole of an unfamiliar situation.
So discredit the whole story by attempting to discredit part of
the story.
Here's how:
a) Take one element of a case completely out of context;
b) Find something prosaic that hypothetically *could* explain it;
c) Declare that, therefore, this one element *has been explained*;
d) Call a press conference and announce to the world that *the
entire case* has been explained.
29. Find a prosaic phenomenon that superficially resembles the
claimed phenomenon. Then suggest that the existence of the
commonplace look-alike somehow *forbids* the existence of the
genuine article.
For example, imply that since people often see "faces" in rocks
and clouds, the enigmatic Face on Mars must be a similar
illusion and therefore cannot possibly be artificial.
30. Accuse honest investigators of "unusual phenomena" of
believing in "invisible forces and extrasensory realities."
If they should point out that the physical sciences have always
dealt with invisible forces and extra-sensory realities
(gravity, electromagnetism, etc.) respond with a
condescending chuckle that this is " ... a naive
interpretation of the facts."
31. Label any poorly-understood phenomenon as "occult,"
"paranormal," "metaphysical," "mystical" or "supernatural."
This will get most "mainstream scientists" off the case
immediately on purely emotional grounds.
32. Ask unanswerable questions based on arbitrary criteria of
proof.
For example, "if this claim were true, why haven't we seen it on
TV?" or why haven't we read it "in this or that scientific
journal?"
Never forget the "mother" of all such questions: "If
extra-terrestrials exist, why haven't they landed on the
White House lawn?"
33. Remember that you can easily appear to refute anyone's claims
by building "straw men" to demolish.
a) One way to do this is to misquote them while preserving that
convincing grain of truth; for example, by acting as if they
have intended the extreme of any position they've taken.
b) Another effective strategy with a long history of success is
simply to mis-replicate their experiments or to avoid
replicating them at all on grounds that to do so would be
"ridiculous" or "fruitless."
c) To make the whole process even easier, respond *not to their
actual claims* but to their claims as reported by the media,
or as propagated in popular myth.
34. Hold claimants responsible for the production of values and
editorial policies of *any* media or press that reports their
claim.
If an unusual or inexplicable event is reported in a
sensationalized manner, hold this as proof that the original
event itself must have been without substance or worth.
35. When a witness or claimant states something in a manner that
is *slightly* scientifically imperfect, treat this statement
as if it were not scientific at all. If the claimant is not
a credentialed scientist, argue that his or her behavior
cannot possibly be "scientifically correct".
36. If you are unable to attack the facts of the case, attack
*the participants* or the journalists who reported the case.
Ad-hominem arguments, or personality attacks, are among the most
powerful ways of swaying the public and/or of *completely
avoiding* the issue.
a) For example, if investigators or chroniclers of the unorthodox
have profited financially from activities connected with
their research, accuse them of "profiting financially from
activities connected with their research!"
b) If their research, publishing, speaking tours and so forth,
constitute their normal line of work or sole means of
support, hold that fact as "conclusive proof that income is
being realized from such activities!"
c) If they have labored to achieve some public recognition of
their work, you may safely characterize them as "publicity
seekers."
d) Take care not to *inadvertently apply such judgments* to those
pursuing, in similar fashion, "orthodox" activities.
37. Fabricate supportive expertise as needed by quoting the
opinions of those in fields popularly assumed to include the
necessary knowledge.
Astronomers, for example, may be trotted out as "experts" on the
evolution questions, although course credits in evolution
have never been a prerequisite for a degree in astronomy.
38. Fabricate entire research projects.
Declare that " ... these claims have been thoroughly discredited by the
top experts in the field!" Do this whether or not such
experts have ever actually studied the claims -- or, for that
matter, that such "experts" even exist.
I do not take lightly my advocacy that you be offered a
"second opinion" when you are on the threshold of nearsightedness.
I do think that these types of counter-arguments are of no
help to you if you wish to understand the science that supports
advocacy for effective prevention of nearsightedness.
Otis Brown
***********
> I found these descriptions recently, and I couldn't miss the similarity to
> arguments we've heard on s.m.v. about "the minus". These are emotional
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> 18. Reaction formation - Posturing the opposite of what we really believe and
> feel.
Dr Judy - 18 Apr 2004 18:23 GMT
> Dear Mike,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> until I actually make the measurement of
> a population of normal eyed primates.
Thanks for admitting finally that you have no evidence for harm caused by a
correctly prescribed minus lens for myopia and have not yet done any studies
to show that wearing a correctly prescribed minus lens causes an increase in
myopia.
snip
> The facts that demonstrate the natural eye's behavior are
> clear on a scientific level. However, the following arguments
> have been proven to be effective in derailing this perception of
> scientific (experimental) truth.
Yes, the facts and human studies do not show that wearing correctly
prescribed minus lenses causes myopia.
snip
> Or how to "put down" *anyone* who questions existing
> orthodoxy that insists that all eyes are fixed box-cameras that
> can never change their refractive status as their visual environment
> is changed. A great mass of experimental data collected over the
> past fifty years clearly demonstrates that the eye does in fact
> change its refractive status as the visual environment is changed.
Yes, the prepresbyopic eye is not fixed focus like a box camera, it can
accomodate and change focus like a moving lens, focusable camera, changing
to focus at near and changing back again for distance. And, like a
focusable camera, changing focus for a near object does not cause a
permanent change to the setting for distance.
> There is scant direct scientific evidence to support the
> excessively idealized notion that the eye is, and behaves as a
> "fixed" box-camera, or optical bench.
No scientist claims that the prepresbyopic eye has fixed focus.
What there is no scientific evidence for is your claims that 1) using a
correctly prescribed minus lens to treat myopia causes an increase in myopia
and 2) that using unnecessary plus for reading will reverse myopia.
Dr Judy
Robert Martellaro - 21 Apr 2004 19:10 GMT
> General "De-bunkery"
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>past fifty years clearly demonstrates that the eye does in fact
>change its refractive status as the visual environment is changed.
This describes faux-debunkery. Perhaps "De-bunkery" needs proper definition.
"In order to debunk, the subject being debunked must be bunk. Valid,
substantiated evidence cannot be debunked until new evidence supplants or alters
it."
-Mac Tonnies
Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
- Richard Feynman
Dan Abel - 21 Apr 2004 21:58 GMT
> "In order to debunk, the subject being debunked must be bunk. Valid,
> substantiated evidence cannot be debunked until new evidence supplants or alters
> it."
>
> -Mac Tonnies
I went to my dictionary, which I just love, to see what it had to say:
de?bunk v. tr. de?bunked de?bunk?ing de?bunks 1. To expose or ridicule
the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of: debunk a supposed miracle
drug.
de?bunk2er n.
Notes: One can readily see that debunk is constructed from the prefix de-,
meaning ?to remove,? and the word bunk. But what is the origin of the word
bunk, denoting the nonsense that is to be removed? Bunk came from a place
where much bunk has originated, the United States Congress. During the
16th Congress (1819-1821) Felix Walker, a representative from western
North Carolina whose district included Buncombe County, continued on with
a dull speech in the face of protests by his colleagues. Walker replied he
had felt obligated ?to make a speech for Buncombe.? Such a masterful
symbol for empty talk could not be ignored by the speakers of the
language, and Buncombe, actually spelled Bunkum in its first recorded
appearance in 1828 and later shortened to bunk, became synonymous with
claptrap. The response to all this bunk seems to have been delayed, for
debunk is not recorded until 1923.

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