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Trying to help my Mum

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SummitWulf - 23 Aug 2006 05:36 GMT
Hi all,

My Mum has been having progressive problems with generalised 'all over'
aches, walking, joint pain and stiffness etc for over a year now. She
is 77 and otherwise in good physical and mental health, although she
has persistent hypertension and her ESR is very elevated at 580
(apparently ~10 is normal). An X-ray also showed deterioration of the
righthand hip joint, and she is on the list for replacement surgery.

Her GP is sympathetic and we have the money to go private if necessary.
Although she lives in the South of England and I am in the USA, we are
in close touch and fortunately she has family members nearby who can
help her until we have some sort of stabilising treatment regime
underway.

I want to do as much for her as I can, as she is currently in continual
pain and discomfort. I'm frustrated because the process of diagnosis is
taking a long time, there are weeks between appointments and blood test
results, and she is not improving. She has recently been prescribed
morphine patches for pain - but this is obviously only a remedial
measure.

I'd be very interested to hear your advice, experiences and any
suggestions you may have. It's tearing me up to see someone I love go
through this, but I don't know what to do. Please help me sift through
the options and make some good decisions.

Thanks.

SW
Splodge - 23 Aug 2006 08:02 GMT
> Hi all,
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> (apparently ~10 is normal). An X-ray also showed deterioration of the
> righthand hip joint, and she is on the list for replacement surgery.

Hello SW, welcome to the group. I'm in the south of England too. I've
had a load of joint replacements, all of which are now in a reasonable
state, considering I'm 61, so these are just a few general thoughts.

Presumably your Mum has seen an Orthopaedic surgeon as she's now on the
waiting list for a new hip. Has she also seen a Rheumatologist? What tablets
is she taking? NSAIDs (non-steroid anti-inflammatories) help me a lot,
although I only notice the difference if and when I stop taking them! Is she
sleeping OK? If not, she needs better pain relief, especially at night. Is
she taking any pain-killers apart from the morphine patches?

Did she see the surgeon as a private patient? If not, and she's in a lot of
pain, it would seem best to have her hip replacement privately, and soon.
The NHS waiting lists are meant to be getting better, but the combined wait
for an appointment, and then the operation, can be 9 - 18 months. Saga (for
the over 50s) publish a free booklet on the waiting list times for all
operations, scans, specialist treatments - all by area.

http://www.saga.co.uk/health_news/pages/index.asp

For instance, I've just been quoted up to a 36 week wait to get diagnostic
tests for a nerve problem in my left leg, and 6 - 12 weeks for an MRI scan.
All that before even going on the waiting list for any operation I might
need.

She should telephone the surgeon's secretary asap and tell him she wants to
go private - hopefully she'll get the operation within 4 - 6 weeks.

Keep us posted, and feel free to ask any other questions.

Splodge
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er@gmail.com - 23 Aug 2006 08:53 GMT
>> Hi all,
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>Splodge
>email addy is spam-trapped

Good advise from Splodge [Janet]. And here are some other things to
consider.
That ESR is VERY high. If 10 is the normal for her blood labs 580 is
44+ times that, so I'd say that needs looking at now!
Whilst you said you have the funds for a private op if needed, try
considering other ways to skin the same cat.
What I mean by that is, with the blood tests for example, you may wait
up to a week for blood results on the NHS, but having your blood taken
on the NHS is not compulsory so if you pay a private phleobotomist to
take the blood, the results will get back faster for a small fee, thus
you can present at the GP with blood results or better still the
rheumatologist with blood results [with an ESR of 580!]
In the same way, you'll probably find the ortho sergeon works for the
NHS 3 days a week and private 2 or whatever. The NHS waiting list for
getting "whatever op" might be quoted as "up to 6 months" and this on
some part is determined by the amount of referals you as a patient
have had with said consultant. Thus on the NHS if you saw the
consultant today, he may book you another consultation and the NHS
receptionist can't fit you in until six weeks time [because as Janet
points out they are very busy]. Try waving money under the consultants
private receptionists nose and you'll see the same guy again next
week. The point here being, that paying just for a consultation is
going to be "n" times cheaper than paying for the actual op [say
circa12K for the op] but if by paying for several of these
consultations you tick the boxes to advance you on the NHS waiting
list, then what have you achieved? Yes, almost the same end result for
a fraction of the cost in a shorter amount of time.

Good luck, and keep us informed of how your Mum is getting on.
no@emails.thx - 23 Aug 2006 10:41 GMT
>The point here being, that paying just for a consultation is
>going to be "n" times cheaper than paying for the actual op

I fully agree - the current 'scandal' in the NHS is the way they have
massaged the waiting lists so that you only get on a list when you
have been fully diagnosed. Of course that means that it now takes
months as you are passed from one consultant to another and have all
your tests - before getting onto the actual waiting list for an op!

Once she has had all her tests done your mum should get a relatively
quick date for the operation itself so it really pays to get the tests
and consultations done privately.

Also, I think it helps if you impress on the consultants and surgeons
that your mum is normally a very active person and this current
disability is something new and terribly debilitating. In my
experience the treatment of many elderly people can be very slow
because the perception (either conciously or not) is that "well
they're old, so what do you expect" and "they're bound to be infirm at
that age and probably won't benefit greatly from surgery". One of my
relatives has had to really bang heads together and force the pace and
get treatment for his problems.

Cheers,
Chris R.
Harvey R. Stone - 23 Aug 2006 14:25 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> SW

Hi SW,,,,  The biggest mistake people make is waiting too long before
getting actual help before too much damage is done.   In other words,
learning to live with it is the biggest problem.
Harv
SummitWulf - 16 Sep 2006 00:17 GMT
All,

Many thanks for all your helpful replies.

The latest news is that she has been started on corticosteroids and
methotrexate. Morphine patches are being used to keep the aches and
pains down, and a hip replacement is scheduled within the next five
months.

She is at least sounding a lot happier now that treatment has started.
She was told the methotrexate will take a month to six weeks to show
any significant effect.

Thanks again,

SummitWulf
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> learning to live with it is the biggest problem.
> Harv
SummitWulf - 14 Oct 2006 09:27 GMT
Latest news: the methotrexate seems to be working. The 'aches and
pains' have substantially diminished, now her hip is giving the most
problem. Seeing as X-rays have shown this to have deteriorated and a
replacement is scheduled, we're not that surprised!

All in all, good news.

Best,

SummitWulf
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> > learning to live with it is the biggest problem.
> > Harv
 
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