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Briton - 22 May 2006 21:05 GMT
I was looking at this on the government site regarding this and it said you
could be entitled to the mobility component if you have difficulty walking.
Does anyone know how severe your disability needs to be? I am able to walk a
couple of hundred yards, although it varies, before the pain gets too bad
and I have to rest. I have RA btw.
Coats - 22 May 2006 21:21 GMT
> I was looking at this on the government site regarding this and it
> said you could be entitled to the mobility component if you have
> difficulty walking. Does anyone know how severe your disability needs
> to be? I am able to walk a couple of hundred yards, although it
> varies, before the pain gets too bad and I have to rest. I have RA
> btw.

They will most likely send a doctor out to assess you. You may be lucky to
get one who will bend the rules slightly.
I think the form asks how far you can walk unaided or without assistance,
not the same thing. My mother got knocked back on this when she *only* had
RA but managed to get it after she had a brain haemorrage. Daft rules some
of them.
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Splodge - 22 May 2006 23:25 GMT
>I was looking at this on the government site regarding this and it said you
> could be entitled to the mobility component if you have difficulty
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> couple of hundred yards, although it varies, before the pain gets too bad
> and I have to rest. I have RA btw.

I think it's about 50 - 100 yards, Briton. After all, you need to do the
walk back as well, plus what you're doing in between. I always complete the
DLA forms as though it's one of my bad days and not one of the good ones. If
you do the latter, you'll never get DLA.

In the past few years I've been turned down, taken them to a Tribunal and
won, had it reduced, then reinstated etc., but I've never been able to get a
doctor out to see me, despite asking to see one.

You would be wise to see your GP before you apply for DLA and tell him how
difficult it is getting for you to walk. It's likely your doctor will be
contacted by the DLA to complete a medical form about you. I made the great
mistake of soldiering on in great pain and not bothering my doctor - great
mistake!

Good luck, and come back if you have any questions.

Splodge
M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk - 23 May 2006 00:03 GMT
>You would be wise to see your GP before you apply for DLA and tell him how
>difficult it is getting for you to walk. It's likely your doctor will be
>contacted by the DLA to complete a medical form about you. I made the great
>mistake of soldiering on in great pain and not bothering my doctor - great
>mistake!
Keeping the GP well up to speed is a must and also making "sure"it is
a bad day whenever you see the GP these tactics have never failed me
yet .
Baino - 23 May 2006 00:57 GMT
Hi, I'd just like to add that you will have to fight tooth and nail to get
DLA like I did. I've severe RA and walk with great difficulty on crutches
and its just short distances in the house, outside is a complete no no.
However I tried for mobility and was at first was told didn't qualify, I
tried again this time with an OT's report and they decided to give me low
mobility all the whilst I was on crutches waiting for either a full ankle
replacement or fusion. I didn't settle for that and gota benefits officer to
fill out my forms and hey presto they finally acknowledged my difficulty,
they also requested information from my hospital consultant and another Ot's
report. I was at all times upfront and honest in my assessments but you have
to know fully know how to fill in the forms. My advice to you would be to
seek professional help from citizens advice etc with the form filling as its
quite tedious and repetitive. If its your first time of applying then you
may receive a visit from a benefits doctor but my guess is that probably
wont happen and they'll automatically say your not entitled but hang in
there and fight it can take some time to get it and if you do qualify your
money will be back dated.

You say you can walk a couple of hundred yards well my guess is that you
wont get it with that it has to be really less than 50 yards, thats what I
was told by the benefits officer, but try anyway.

robert

>I was looking at this on the government site regarding this and it said you
> could be entitled to the mobility component if you have difficulty
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> couple of hundred yards, although it varies, before the pain gets too bad
> and I have to rest. I have RA btw.
M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk - 23 May 2006 01:30 GMT
>Hi, I'd just like to add that you will have to fight tooth and nail to get
>DLA like I did.
Not really fight tooth and nail is rather stretching it a great deal
to go it alone is rather stupid and in most cases doomed to failure
unless you are on your death bed. But with a lot of help from an
organization that know how to mince words just as the goons at the DWP
do and it's breeze barring accidents . A friend had his DLA forms
completed by a lady at our local DIAL center and got high mobility and
low care for four years  no arguments and no doctors visit, last year
he got his renewal forms done by the same lady and got the care
componant raised to middle for another four years . The same lady did
my forms three years ago and I got high mobility with no end date .
Getting help from people in the know IS a must .  
Baino - 23 May 2006 14:24 GMT
No its not I did have to fight hard, have you never read not only on this
newsgroup but other forums of people having to go to appeals etc in order to
get their rights you know diddly squat about my condition and yes its very
severe.You will see from previous posts that I've posted on here about my
condition on how the conventional and newer anti-tnf's have all failed to
work and am now on newer research drugs which aren't just prescribed to
anybody willy nilly.  I am awaiting several operations to replace joints,my
kidneys are wonky as is my liver. I think that you should be entitled to DLA
on its merits not by bending the truth and telling lies and furthermore in
my opinion everyone on DLA should have to undergo a medical at least once a
year in order to seperate the wheat (genuine cases) from the chaff
(spongers). For information purposes no claimants are now afforded the
luxury of indefinite claims its now become a 3 yearly thing. I applied on my
merits I didn't bend the truth or tell lies I just told it like it is in
real life and had the backup of consultants i.e renal and rheumatology as
well as occupational therapists and physiotherapists and it was granted.As
for going it alone we never did this and used professional people and it
still made not one hoot of a difference. I've also known people who've done
it themselves and have had no problems so its a case of whoever is the
decision maker, you may get one thats more lenient than others and grants
more awards, then the next one studies the finer detailsand disagrees. Now
thats me off my high horse as you probably have read today is'nt a good day
for me.

robert

>>Hi, I'd just like to add that you will have to fight tooth and nail to get
>>DLA like I did.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> my forms three years ago and I got high mobility with no end date .
> Getting help from people in the know IS a must .
M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk - 23 May 2006 16:22 GMT
>I think that you should be entitled to DLA
>on its merits not by bending the truth and telling lies
Who said anything about bending the truth and telling lies
unless you happen to be a very good actor it is fatal to bend the
truth and tell lies but what you have to do is make sure you tell the
whole truth and explain your situation in full has if you are writing
to a five year old kid that knows nothing even if it takes a dozen
extra A4 additional sheets to get through to them .
> and furthermore in
>my opinion everyone on DLA should have to undergo a medical at least once a
>year in order to seperate the wheat (genuine cases) from the chaff
>(spongers).
So you would impose additional stress on someone suffering from
unstable Angina would you Robert ? are  you sure you aren't the
minister for works and pensions Robert ??? . My friend suffers from
unstable angina amongst many other things and had a severe attack of
Angina while waiting to see the blasted dotter at a DWP medical center
regarding an IB50 and finished up in hospital for two weeks, If you
ask me your own GP's word should be good enough .
It is the people who are entering this country by the plane,boat, and
truck full that are the spongers not the sick and disabled who have
been born in the UK and given a lifetime of service and work for this
God damned country.
> For information purposes no claimants are now afforded the
>luxury of indefinite claims its now become a 3 yearly thing.
So when did this change come about ? because my friend got four years
from last September .
> As
>for going it alone we never did this and used professional people
Big mistake using professional people the DIAL center we use is
staffed by people like ourselves who are volunteers who have been
through the mill and in many cases still suffering but they do know
the damned forms inside out. Believe me or believe me not our DIAL
center will only do TWO dla applications pr day has they allow no less
than four hours pr application minimum , I went in to get mine done at
9 am and came out at 13.30 but it was well worh the time spent .
Shirley Shone - 23 May 2006 16:56 GMT
I was refused it 3 times for unstable angina. The last time I could not
walk 2 yards before the pain kicked in.
I had a heart bypass and then 4 years ago 6 stents in my heart, but
still I am on an open appointment with the cardio because the pains
started back. Yet more blocks!!!!!.
The last time I was refused it they said I did not need enough help with
my bodily needs. I could managed to wipe my own bottom.
My doctor said to appeal but my husband said no because it was causing
me too much stress, and stress is no good for heart full of ironmongery.
So I never got it and I have nothing to thank them for.
Now I have a painful back and hips and it takes time to get going in the
mornings.

Shirley

>>I think that you should be entitled to DLA
>>on its merits not by bending the truth and telling lies
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>than four hours pr application minimum , I went in to get mine done at
>9 am and came out at 13.30 but it was well worh the time spent .

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Baino - 24 May 2006 00:00 GMT
> So you would impose additional stress on someone suffering from
> unstable Angina would you Robert ?

No!!!!!! cant see why people get stressed out if they've nothing to hide
from the doctor. They may be a wee bit apprehensive but I've always felt
that the doctors are well qualified to make decisions and have always found
them friendly and put people at ease not sure how it is with you but I can
only speak from my own personal experience and I've had quite a few
examinations. My first examination I qualified at 60% disabled I'd hate to
think what it is now, another one was scored on points and you needed 15
points per section which I fully satisfied again.

> It is the people who are entering this country by the plane,boat, and
> truck full that are the spongers not the sick and disabled who have
> been born in the UK and given a lifetime of service and work for this
> God damned country.

Yes thats true and its a Labour government but theres a lot of UK people
claiming it and bending the rules to get it and have no intention of working
again, thats how it is where I stay.
Remember I'm chronically sick as well as disabled and used to work bloody
hard in the hardest job going as a deep sea fisherman and I've probably paid
more tax to the government than a lot of people do in there working life. I
fully intend at some point in my life to go back to some form of work, maybe
even voluntarily with the disabled we'll see when my condition gets better,
if it gets better.I'm not a sponger but hate the stigma attached to being on
DLA and to be honest if after 3 years they take it away I wont cry foul I'll
just get back on with life as best as I can..

>> For information purposes no claimants are now afforded the
>>luxury of indefinite claims its now become a 3 yearly thing.
> So when did this change come about ? because my friend got four years
> from last September .

Well all I know is that my claim came back in January and it was for 3
years, queried this as it was a supersession from indefinately as my
condition is very bad and had changed along with my medication and was told
all claims are now for 3 years from the DWP.

If you ask me your own GP's word should be good enough

Probably so but the DWP will never accept that and will always request
secondary advice from another qualified source.

> Big mistake using professional people

Well can't see why that is I used them and they came through where as a
citizens advice lady spent upwards of 3 hours filling it out for me and
still got no where.

Like I say its on the day which Decision maker looks at your claim and
decides your fate.

Finally I'm all for the sick and disabled claiming there entitlements to
benefit I just hate those that screw the system completely and believe you
me there are plenty of those around. I just think that a yearly examination
for all, myself included would help filter them out of the system, maybe
then the genuine cases could perhaps have a wee bit more money to share
around, does that not make sense.

I feel desperately sorry for Shirley as from her post I feel that shes a
deserving case and can't for the life of me understand why she dosen't get
it. In Shirleys case shes having to fight tooth and nail to get something
which shes probably more entitled to than some. Some people who are really
genuine cases have the most hassle to achieve there goal its not as straight
forward as some people have you think.

Robert
M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk - 24 May 2006 01:54 GMT
>No!!!!!! cant see why people get stressed out if they've nothing to hide
>from the doctor.
I get stressed out when I see my own GP who I have known for at ten
years and between us we have proved this every time she puts the cuff
on and checks my BP it is well up last time 170/100. Now a few months
ago she asked me to do a 24hr check placing another cuff on my arm and
strapping a small machine too my chest which squeezed the cuff every
two hours, the print out the next day was normal yet when she cuffed
me the same afternoon her reading was sky high once more. I didn't
feel the leased stressed but I was all the same .
> They may be a wee bit apprehensive but I've always felt
>that the doctors are well qualified to make decisions and have always found
>them friendly and put people at ease not sure how it is with you but I can
>only speak from my own personal experience and I've had quite a few
>examinations.
I would sooner we followed the Dutch way where the authorities have to
prove that you are NOT sick not has here where we have to prove that
we are and they won't even take our own GP's word for it who knows us
and sees us far more often than some other GP making a bit on the side
by doing work for the DWP .This is quite true the first medical I
attended the head doc from my own medical center was sat behind the
desk of course he didn't do the exam has he knew me and I know of
another GP's in this area who also do work for the DWP .
>I feel desperately sorry for Shirley as from her post I feel that shes a
>deserving case and can't for the life of me understand why she dosen't get
>it.
I cannot understand it either she should have at least got the high
mobility component there is something drastically wrong there.
Shirley Shone - 24 May 2006 07:40 GMT
>>No!!!!!! cant see why people get stressed out if they've nothing to hide
>>from the doctor.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>I cannot understand it either she should have at least got the high
>mobility component there is something drastically wrong there.

The last time I applied My form was filled in by a lady who used to work
in that dept of DLA. She took ages to fill it in for me, even the
questions exhausted me.
Re your blood pressure they call it White Coat Syndrome it affects me
also. I bought my own doodad for checking my own and took the results
with me to hospital. When they used to check it and it was up they
wanted to give me extra tablets and made me feel worse. I had the 24
hour thing and they said it was so low at times it was a wonder I did
not pass out.
I have a good rapport with my cardio. He does not wear his white coat
nor does he take my BP. Before I had my stents life was awful, my GP
rang the hospital and told them in my husband's and my hearing that if
they did not get me in soon she would not have a patient for them to get
in.
That came as a bit of a shock to me.
The professor had some 6 months prior during an angiogram refused to put
stents in as it being to dangerous. However my cardio decided it was
kill or cure and he went ahead. A brilliant cardio. I felt everyone of
the stents go in being awake during the process. I lost count after the
4th. I developed a blood clot during the op. next thing I was wired up
with drips.
It took me some time to get over it but at least I can get about better.
I cannot vacuum up it exhausts me. I can do the cooking again after
having ready meals cooked by DH.
I get by and will never ask for DLA again. I do have a disabled sticker
and since I look younger than my 70 years I get some odd looks. However
they do not see me stop and look in the same shop window for 5 mins to
get my heart steady again or use my spray 50 yards up the slight slope.
I know everything in that camera shop. Since where I go shopping his on
a slope I developed a way of getting from one gradient to another, by
going in the big shops front doors and using the escalators to get to
the next level and out the back doors.
I do not dwell on my disability, I have hobbies making greeting cards
and bead work. I even went to  free computer  classes and passed 8 out10
modules in CLAIT and last year I built my own website. Not bad for a 70
year old.
Please do not be sorry for me there are people who cannot walk at all or
on sticks and crutches who need more help..
I hope you do not mind the long post.
Shirley
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Martin McGowan - 25 May 2006 19:51 GMT
> I was looking at this on the government site regarding this and it said you
> could be entitled to the mobility component if you have difficulty walking.
> Does anyone know how severe your disability needs to be? I am able to walk a
> couple of hundred yards, although it varies, before the pain gets too bad
> and I have to rest. I have RA btw.

this is a cut and paste from the DWP rules chapter 61 if you want the
whole thing i can send you the PDF file, just e mail me remove the
obvious in my reply to address. Martin McGowan

Mobility component - definitions
Unable or virtually unable to walk
61276 One of the conditions for entitlement to the higher rate mobility
component is that the
disabled person is unable or virtually unable to walk (61255 1.). People are
considered to be unable or virtually unable to walk if their physical
condition is such
that
1. they are unable to walk1 or
2. their ability to walk out of doors is so limited when considering
2.1 the distance over which or
2.2 the speed at which or
2.3 the length of time for which or
2.4 the manner in which
they can make progress on foot without severe discomfort, they are virtually
unable to walk2 or
3. the effort needed to walk would put their life at risk or be likely
to lead to a
serious deterioration in their health3.
The DM should not take account of where people live or the nature of
their work.
1 SS (DLA) Regs, reg 12(1)(a)(i); 2 reg 12(1)(a)(ii); 3 reg 12(1)(a)(iii)
Virtually unable to walk
61277 Virtually unable to walk means unable to walk to any appreciable
extent or practically
unable to walk1. The base point is a total inability to walk. It is
extended to take in
people who can technically walk but only to an insignificant extent2.
1 R(M) 1/78; 2 R(M) 1/91
61278 Whether a person is unable or virtually unable to walk depends on
the person’s
ability to negotiate the type of surface normally encountered out of
doors. No
account should be taken of exceptional hazards such as steep hills or
rough terrain.
The question of whether the person is able to lead a normal life is
inappropriate1.
1 R(M) 1/91
61279 Whether a person is virtually unable to walk should be decided on
the basis of how
their disability actually affects them, and not on how their disability
might be
improved with surgical intervention. The person’s condition must be
viewed as it
actually is, not as it might be1. But see 61308-61309 for artificial
limbs and
appliances.
1 R(M) 1/95
Mobility component - definitions 61276 61279
Vol 10 First Issue
61280-61290
Severe discomfort
61291 Severe discomfort must be brought on by walking. A person who can
walk only with
severe discomfort is likely to suffer from effects such as pain and
breathlessness1.
The test is one of severe discomfort rather than of severe pain or
distress2. The
term “severe discomfort” does not apply to the refusal to walk where
this is by
conscious choice3. But see 61304 et seq.
1 R(M) 1/83; 2 Cassinelli v S of S for Social Services; 3 R(M) 1/83
61292 The test in 61276 2. is of the person’s ability to walk out of
doors without severe
discomfort, not the capacity to walk with severe discomfort1. Any
walking with
severe discomfort is ignored.
1 R(M) 1/81
 
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