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Coats - 20 Jan 2006 18:58 GMT
I've started getting really bad pain just below my breastbone and in my
side, its actually been going on for a quite a while but its got a lot worse
in the last month or so. Mainly when I eat or drink. It lasts for an hour or
so.
Could this be the start of problems with my stomach? My friend says yes. I'm
due back at the docs for test results next Friday and am going to mention
this but in the meantime is there anything I can do to lessen the pain?
Apart from take more pills.
Thanks in advance.
Cathy.
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Jayne - 20 Jan 2006 22:24 GMT
> I've started getting really bad pain just below my breastbone and in my
> side, its actually been going on for a quite a while but its got a lot
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> Thanks in advance.
> Cathy.

I can't think of what to suggest to alleviate tummy problems, as I don't get
them very often.  I tend to take something like ranitidine (over he counter
tablets) when I get a bit of indigestion, or if its mild drink a mint tea.
I have been known to drink a spoonful of bicarb in a bit of water for
heartburn, but its horrible!

Please mention it to the doctor though.  It couldn't be an anti-inflammatory
that you are taking causing it could it?

Jayne
Coats - 20 Jan 2006 22:32 GMT
> Please mention it to the doctor though.  It couldn't be an
> anti-inflammatory that you are taking causing it could it?
>
> Jayne

Thats what I've been thinking. I take quite large doses of Ibuprofen so its
a possibility.
I'll make sure I tell her whne I go on Friday.
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Jayne - 20 Jan 2006 22:40 GMT
>> Please mention it to the doctor though.  It couldn't be an
>> anti-inflammatory that you are taking causing it could it?
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> its a possibility.
> I'll make sure I tell her whne I go on Friday.

They do have a bit of a reputation for tummy troubles.  I know when I was
given diclofenac as an anti-inflammatory it made me feel really ill, yet it
is brilliant for some people.  I think I tried 4 different ones before
finding one which suits me.

Jayne
Jim - 21 Jan 2006 08:20 GMT
>>> Please mention it to the doctor though.  It couldn't be an
>>> anti-inflammatory that you are taking causing it could it?
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>
>Jayne

Based on my medical history I would go a little further than
Jayne and suggest you consider stopping or reducing the
ibuprofen until you see the doctor. I was on large doses of
prescribed ibuprofen in 2001 for OA in both hips, but -
without meaning to worry you - I was one of those who
reacted badly to it and in 2002 had major surgery as a
result. I was in hospital for a month with a condition that
was aggravated by the NSAID. My doctor KNEW of my condition
but still prescribed a maximum dose! Now I don't go near any
NSAIDs at ALL. You're nowhere near the stage I reached
before someone asked about the ibuprofen, so don't worry. I
hope you just have indigestion, but better safe than
sorry!!!

Jim
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Coats - 21 Jan 2006 08:41 GMT
> Based on my medical history I would go a little further than
> Jayne and suggest you consider stopping or reducing the
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> hope you just have indigestion, but better safe than
> sorry!!!

Yup, you're right about being safe.
I don't think its just indigestion as the usual remedies seem to make it
worse. A Rennie makes my whole mid section burn and Andrwes (which I love
the taste of) seems to make me feel like I'm going to explode.
I'm only going to take my Cocodamol today and see if it makes a difference
as last night I had to take a full dose of CC just to get to sleep, which is
very unusual for me as I can usually sleep through anything.
I have been taking Ibuprofen for a while now and before that I was on
Diclofenac. All in all I've been taking them for around 4 years now, your
comments and the things I've read on the net after a bit of research seems
to suggest that I shouls try without them til I cna get to the doctors. S
that is what I shall do.
Thanks for the advice.
Cathy.
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Jim - 21 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT
>Yup, you're right about being safe.
>I don't think its just indigestion as the usual remedies seem to make it
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>Thanks for the advice.
>Cathy.

Hi Cathy,

This sounds like a good idea. Have you considered calling
NHS Direct to ask advice? One thing that I would say from my
own experience is not to let abdominal conditions go on too
long - the chances are it's minor, but if there's even the
smallest chance of it being something that needs attention,
it's definitely best to get it seen to right away. I'm fine
now, but regret not dealing with a stomach pain for several
weeks in 2002. Just another case of me making life hard for
myself ... ! Good luck!

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Coats - 25 Jan 2006 11:24 GMT
> Hi Cathy,
>
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> weeks in 2002. Just another case of me making life hard for
> myself ... ! Good luck!

Well I cut right down on the Ibuprofen and it seems to have settled, but
then if it was indegestion it may have done that anyway. The only other
effects from the lack of AI is the fact that my shoulder swelled so much
last night I ended up taking two full doses of co-codamol at 9pm and 1pm so
I could even move. So I'm now trying the slow release Ibuprofen in the hopes
that my system won't get battered by a full dose in my tummy.
Swings and roundabouts with drugs isnt it.
Back to the GP for blood results and advice on Friday though so not long to
wait.
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Jim - 25 Jan 2006 23:52 GMT
>Well I cut right down on the Ibuprofen and it seems to have settled, but
>then if it was indegestion it may have done that anyway. The only other
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>Back to the GP for blood results and advice on Friday though so not long to
>wait.

Good luck with the doc. It so easily could be nothing at
all, and yes, drugs almost always have their problems for
some. You might try some of the ibuprofen gels that you rub
on. I believe there can still be problems through absorption
but far fewer than with tablets.

Best of luck,
Jim
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Coats - 29 Jan 2006 14:49 GMT
>> Well I cut right down on the Ibuprofen and it seems to have settled,
>> but then if it was indegestion it may have done that anyway. The
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> Best of luck,
> Jim

I've been using the gel with my slow release Ibuprofen. Is it just me, does
it actually do anything? I had painful feet and wrists last night, I tried
the gel and an hour later still had painful feet and wrists. :-( I'll keep
trying.
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Peter James - 29 Jan 2006 16:58 GMT
>>> Well I cut right down on the Ibuprofen and it seems to have settled,
>>> but then if it was indegestion it may have done that anyway. The
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> the gel and an hour later still had painful feet and wrists. :-( I'll keep
> trying.

Have a word with your GP and ask if he will try you on Ibuprofen or voltarol
suppositories.  They can be very effective, and the absorption into the
stomach is very slight.  They might be ideal for you.  Just try them and see.
I fell down the stairs last September and broke two ribs.  The GP prescribed
them for me, and they were most effective.
Coats - 29 Jan 2006 21:53 GMT
> Have a word with your GP and ask if he will try you on Ibuprofen or
> voltarol suppositories.  They can be very effective, and the
> absorption into the stomach is very slight.  They might be ideal for
> you.  Just try them and see. I fell down the stairs last September
> and broke two ribs.  The GP prescribed them for me, and they were
> most effective.

I'm sorry but Ewww is the only response that comes to mind there. Maybe I'm
not in enough pain for it to be an option yet. But thanks for the advice,
I'll keep it in mind when I'm in a lot of pain. Thanks.
Cathy.
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Peter James - 30 Jan 2006 18:48 GMT
>> Have a word with your GP and ask if he will try you on Ibuprofen or
>> voltarol suppositories.  They can be very effective, and the
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> I'll keep it in mind when I'm in a lot of pain. Thanks.
> Cathy.

When I broke my two ribs, it stirred my OA up as well, and I experienced
terrible pain.  Bad enough to keep me awake most of the night.  The
suppositories solved that.  As you say the concept is stomach churning, but
they do work.  When the pain gets bad enough, then try them.
sprocket@perverse.engineering.com - 30 Jan 2006 19:45 GMT
>> Have a word with your GP and ask if he will try you on Ibuprofen or
>> voltarol suppositories.  They can be very effective, and the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I'll keep it in mind when I'm in a lot of pain. Thanks.
>Cathy.

Don't knock it! I haven't had anti-imflammatories by that route, but many
years ago, when I used to suffer horrific migraines that nothing else could
touch, my GP prescribed morphine suppositories which worked like a dream.
It's the high volume of blood vessels in the ...area... which absorb the
medication quickly, so the effect is usually faster and more efficient than
ingestion. And without the possibility of stomach problems.

As to the AF gels, I can only say that they didn't work for me at all, but
your mileage may vary. Good luck, at any rate.

Anne
Piglet - 30 Jan 2006 23:15 GMT
>>>Have a word with your GP and ask if he will try you on Ibuprofen or
>>>voltarol suppositories.  They can be very effective, and the
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>
> Anne

Alas anti-inflammatory suppositories, while very effective, are only a
short-term problem; they can and often do cause local irritation.
Unfortunately, they also fail to solve the stomach problem, as it is not
just a direct irritation of the stomach, but a systemic problem; they
can cause indigestion and stomach ulcers whether they are swallowed,
injected or *ahem* inserted.
The squeamishness we have about suppositories appears to be an English
thing. In France, for example, they are routinely used for many medications.
Good luck finding something for the pain.
Cheers,
Pete
Piglet - 31 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT
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> Alas anti-inflammatory suppositories, while very effective, are only a
> short-term problem; they can and often do cause local irritation.

Whoops! that should of course read short-term *solution* !

> Cheers,
> Pete
Robin Fairbairns - 01 Feb 2006 23:34 GMT
>I've been using the gel with my slow release Ibuprofen. Is it just me, does
>it actually do anything? I had painful feet and wrists last night, I tried
>the gel and an hour later still had painful feet and wrists. :-( I'll keep
>trying.

sometimes.  sometimes not.

of course, i can't take ibuprofen now, since i'm on a different nsaid
(as well as a steroidal one), so i'm speaking from rather long memory
(15 years+).

incidentally, looking at this thread in my newsreader:

 25657  Re: Stomachs
 25658   Re: Stomachs
 25662    Re: Stomachs
 25663    Re: Stomachs
 25665     Re: Stomachs
 25666      Re: Stomachs

i was moved to wonder how many stomachs we're supposed to have?

mooo.
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Jayne - 25 Jan 2006 11:09 GMT
> Yup, you're right about being safe.
> I don't think its just indigestion as the usual remedies seem to make it
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for the advice.
> Cathy.

I found that Codeine, even at the full dose, wasn't enough to make me sleep
through the night.  My doctor gave me dihydrocodeine 60mg (cont) which is a
controlled release dose, and the fact that its effects lasted longer enabled
me to sleep better.  I only take it at night, but it seems to work quite
well for me.

jayne
 
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