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Jan Brown - 02 Apr 2004 23:37 GMT
I never knew that 5 days could be soooooo exhausting. I've walked for
miles, and every night I staggered into my hotel bedroom promising
myself I would take it easy next day - but I never did. There's always
one more building I had to see, or one more bus or boat trip to take,
and one more Metro train to go on. What a beautiful city it is,
breathtaking, exciting, and absolutely knackering - it's going to take
me at least a week to get my knees and hips back into some sort of
"normality" again.

I feel really sad that my joints are now so bad I couldn't do the things
I did when I went there 12 months ago. Each lot of steps at the Metro
Stations seemed like Everest, and I know it will be next to impossible
to go there again. Last night we had an evening dinner cuise along the
Seine, and I got all weepy at the sheer beauty of it all. Still, the
bottle of red and the bottle of white did help - oh yes, and the
champagne too...........!

Janet
Gwen Love - 03 Apr 2004 00:59 GMT
Janet, glad you had some extra special moments even though you couldn't do
all you wanted to do.  Welcome back.
Gwen

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| I never knew that 5 days could be soooooo exhausting. I've walked for
| miles, and every night I staggered into my hotel bedroom promising
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| Janet
Jim - 03 Apr 2004 02:51 GMT
>I never knew that 5 days could be soooooo exhausting. I've walked for
>miles, and every night I staggered into my hotel bedroom promising
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>me at least a week to get my knees and hips back into some sort of
>"normality" again.

I don't know whether to envy you or to sympathise. Oh, hang
on, yes I do - I ENVY you. Pain? HAH! This is PARIS! I was
motionless with pain outside our hotel last time I visited
Paris, but we took a taxi most of the way and I just
suffered the rest of it. Hell, of course it hurt, but as you
know, it was worth it. And then some.

>I feel really sad that my joints are now so bad I couldn't do the things
>I did when I went there 12 months ago.

Okay, sorry, but was that the falling down drunk in the
middle of the road time (In PARIS? Good God...) or am I
being libelous? :-)

>Each lot of steps at the Metro
>Stations seemed like Everest, and I know it will be next to impossible
>to go there again. Last night we had an evening dinner cuise along the
>Seine, and I got all weepy at the sheer beauty of it all. Still, the
>bottle of red and the bottle of white did help - oh yes, and the
>champagne too...........!

Rats, rats, rats, rats, and ... well, quintuple rats! Oh
well, in praise of you, you did it right and you DID IT! But
here is a suggestion. Pay more to get a hotel near the
centre, and avoid the Metro. It does cost more, but it can
be done and the costs balance out. Some time ago I got a
great deal at a hotel on the Rue de Rivoli, which would
normally be outside my price range, just by checking on the
web (email me for details). Imagine! We were LITERALLY
across the road from the Louvre, some excellent cafes, and 5
minutes hobble from the Seine.

Anyway, it sounds like you and I love Paris in equal
measure, so I'm furious that you've been there this week and
I've been struggling with work and with thinking about
trimming a conifer.. Well, not furious, just plain envious.

.... But not really that either. It's great to hear from
someone who appreciates just how wonderful it is to be in
Paris. There's a lot of anti-French NONSENSE in the UK and
elsewhere (Hi there warmongers...), so I really like it when
I hear from someone who appreciates the finer things in
life...

Damn, I swear I'll be on Easyjet's website any minute...

Glad you had a great time, see you at the shops on the Rue
de Rivoli some day...

Jim
Jan Brown - 03 Apr 2004 21:47 GMT
What a memory you have Jim. Yes, you're not being libelous, and I hold
my hands up - it were definitely me.

That's a good idea about getting a hotel nearer the centre of Paris, and
it would be worth splashing out on taxis to and from the Eurostar and
the hotel. So maybe there is hope for another visit at some time, and
that meeting on the Rue de Rivoli. Thank you for your suggestion Jim. It
will have to keep me going during the waiting for my next three
operations.

I think we will have to promise to tell each other verrrrry gently and
subtly if we make any further visits to Paris. And as for you even
thinking of trimming a conifer, I'm not at all jealous, and you're more
than welcome to show off your expertise by doing some gardening here if
you like!

Ta heaps
Janet

> Okay, sorry, but was that the falling down drunk in the
> middle of the road time (In PARIS? Good God...) or am I
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>
> Jim
JayneB - 03 Apr 2004 09:16 GMT
Nice to see you back Janet, and so glad you've had such a good time.  It is
bloody miserable when a condition stops you from doing the stuff that you
want to do though.

Rest up a bit now - no more jaunts for a while?

Jayne
Jan Brown - 03 Apr 2004 21:32 GMT
Me? Go off on other jaunts?
Well, no more until I go to Canada in about 12 weeks, but who's
counting???
Janet

> Nice to see you back Janet, and so glad you've had such a good time.  It is
> bloody miserable when a condition stops you from doing the stuff that you
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>
> Jayne
Sandy Morton - 03 Apr 2004 22:29 GMT
> Me? Go off on other jaunts? Well, no more until I go to Canada in
> about 12 weeks, but who's counting???

At this point I can actively dislike you :-(  Whereabouts in Canada?

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Jan Brown - 03 Apr 2004 23:47 GMT
You might dislike me Sandy?? You're going to positively hate me when I
tell you this - I fly to Vancouver at the end of June, then go on a 10
night Rocky Mountaineer trip, followed by a week of sight-seeing in
Vancouver, then I fly to Edmonton to spend 16 days with my two nieces
and one nephew. After that a few more days in Vancouver then back home
in the first week of August.

I'm travelling on my own so I'm already getting a bit apprehensive.
Anyway, this holiday is my last fling before I collect my bus pass next
year - my DH will be cat-sitting during those arduous weeks of
gallivanting!

If anyone out there has any tips re the RM or Vancouver, I'd love to
hear them.

Janet

> > Me? Go off on other jaunts? Well, no more until I go to Canada in
> > about 12 weeks, but who's counting???
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> In the Global Village
> http://www.millport.net
Sandy Morton - 04 Apr 2004 00:06 GMT
> You might dislike me Sandy??

Very much:-)

> You're going to positively hate me when I tell you this - I fly to
> Vancouver at the end of June, then go on a 10 night Rocky
> Mountaineer trip, followed by a week of sight-seeing in Vancouver,
> then I fly to Edmonton to spend 16 days with my two nieces and one
> nephew. After that a few more days in Vancouver then back home in
> the first week of August.

Vancouver is absolflinglutely my most favourite city in the world -
but if you have spare time go to Victoria on the island by the ferry
through the Gulf Islands and come back via Nanaimo. Whilst in
Victoria visit the Natural History Museum.  Edmonton is pretty nice
but make sure that they take you go to the Chateau on Lake Louise and
that you have Rattlesnake or Buffalo Burgers in Banff.

> I'm travelling on my own so I'm already getting a bit apprehensive.

It would take little encouragement if you asked me to come and carry
your bag - SWAMBO may not be as enthusiastic:-(

> Anyway, this holiday is my last fling before I collect my bus pass
> next year - my DH will be cat-sitting during those arduous weeks of
> gallivanting!

You are but a child - I've already got the bus pass - which also
allows me free travel on the ferry! - I was terribly embarrassed the
first time I used it but the pain soon wore off;-)

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Jim - 04 Apr 2004 00:38 GMT
>> Me? Go off on other jaunts? Well, no more until I go to Canada in
>> about 12 weeks, but who's counting???
>
>At this point I can actively dislike you :-(  Whereabouts in Canada?

Good grief!

Canada!

Quickly tries to make up ground on travel stakes:

I'm going to Glasgow in a couple of weeks!

Twice!

(Nope, didn't work. Didn't think it would.)

Jim
Sandy Morton - 04 Apr 2004 01:23 GMT
> >> Me? Go off on other jaunts? Well, no more until I go to Canada
> >> in about 12 weeks, but who's counting???
> >
> >At this point I can actively dislike you :-(  Whereabouts in
> >Canada?

> Good grief!

> Canada!

> Quickly tries to make up ground on travel stakes:

> I'm going to Glasgow in a couple of weeks!

The car will be in Glasgow on Monday - Anne is going to help a friend
with 2 very sick kids.  Edinburgher on Tuesday - for a Curling
meeting.  Paisley on Wednesday for another Curling meeting.
Somewhere in Central Scotland on Thursday since Anne feels the need
to indulge in some retail therapy and has to collet gorgeous - our
only grandson - on the way back.

I am also a gruncle again and my wee sister is just back from Greece
where the newest was born - don't start me on how wonderful our NHS
is - the Greek one is ever so slightly worse!!

But - I would love to be going to Canada!!!!!

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Jan Brown - 04 Apr 2004 13:42 GMT
Never been there, but always wanted to Jim. Would this be w**k perhaps?

Janet

> I'm going to Glasgow in a couple of weeks!
>
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>
> Jim
JayneB - 04 Apr 2004 09:50 GMT
> Me? Go off on other jaunts?
> Well, no more until I go to Canada in about 12 weeks, but who's
> counting???
> Janet

Only 12 weeks?  That is coming up rapidly!

Jayne
Jan Brown - 04 Apr 2004 13:39 GMT
I'm beginning to find that life is passing too rapidly, let alone just
for holidays.

I bet you're counting the weeks until your trip to Menorca. About seven
weeks now isn't it?

Janet

> > Well, no more until I go to Canada in about 12 weeks, but who's
> > counting???
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>
> Jayne
JayneB - 04 Apr 2004 21:33 GMT
> I'm beginning to find that life is passing too rapidly, let alone just
> for holidays.
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>
> Janet

About that Janet - 22nd May it is.

I've spent the day spring cleaning one boy's bedroom today, and I am fit for
absolutely nothing.  I'm going to have to go force myself into the shower.

4 days and counting till mum arrives!

Jayne
ConnieD - 04 Apr 2004 21:26 GMT
> I never knew that 5 days could be soooooo exhausting. I've walked for
> miles, and every night I staggered into my hotel bedroom promising
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>
> Janet

Welcome home Janet........ sounds like your pains were well worth all the
touristy bits though <g>.......... as for the trip along the Seine........
lucky you because the only time I visited Paris was when I was about 12 and
was so knackered from staying awake all night on the train from Hannover
that I fell asleep on the Bateau and missed the lot LOL...... Mind you even
at age 12 we had wine with our dinner each evening ( albeit diluted with
water) but the food was wonderful and the trip amazing.
Nice to see you back again. Regards ConnieD.
Jan Brown - 04 Apr 2004 22:04 GMT
Thanks Connie
Let everyone know how the plans are going - it seems ages since you
reported on how knackered you were!!
Have you sold your house yet? And how is your son now?
Janet

> Welcome home Janet........ sounds like your pains were well worth all the
> touristy bits though <g>.......... as for the trip along the Seine........
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> water) but the food was wonderful and the trip amazing.
> Nice to see you back again. Regards ConnieD.
ConnieD - 04 Apr 2004 23:08 GMT
Thanks for asking Janet, Kevin is off his painkillers now and although he
has trouble getting comfy with his leg in a full plastercast, he is doing
really well..... there has been a hiccough with the physio though but that
should be sorted out this week....... he can't drive himself the 15 miles
each way to the hospital and with DIL at work it is a bit of a problem
especially with us being this far away from him too.

He's managing  on his crutches and can walk about the house without them
quite happily.all in all he says he feels very well!

The house was sold just 8 days from us putting on the market.....( subject
to contract etc. etc.) ....house viewers #4 put in an opening offer which we
refused but then accepted when they upped their offer by another £2.000. 00.
Their surveyor came around 9 days ago and we haven't heard anything as yet
so we are thinking of *no news, good news* so far.......We have buyers for
the remaining furniture and electrical items which is good news for us
...wev'e arranged the self storage unit so what bits we are taking should be
safe........and we have arranged about buying a caravan for the time we are
fitting out the narrowboat.

Got the mail sorted out with a box number from a private company who will
forward the mail onto us.
Online connection sorted out too with Freeserve, they offer the best price
for what we want with using our mobiles for connection.
Sorted out the flooring which will be bamboo ( apparently it's one of the
woods which doesn't absorb water)  chosen the tiles for the wc/shower
room....... frogs on lily pads lol........ royal blue, bright yellow, dark
green and claret tiles for the galley. ... 2 fully reclining chairs decided
on.. .. drawn up all the plans for the electrical tails and radiators which
will be built in for us and now choosing kitchen units and a multi fuel
stove along with searching out 12v electrical items such as the
fridge/freezer, oven and washer/tumbler drier.

As we got more for our house than we thought we would,  we are going to get
a kitchen fitter and plumber in to do those jobs so hopefully we will be
ready for the off around early August which will please us no end!

Once we move from this house we are going on holiday for a couple of weeks,
on a narrowboat of course! We want to try our hand at sailing along a river
in a hired boat before we try it in ours LOL. We are also going over to
Holland for a few days to see our youngest son and his girlfriend so that
will be a nice change too. To top it all, Robert retires from work this
Thursday and I know he is really looking forward at not having to wear a
shirt and tie again LOL....( No more sammidges each morning thank goodness).

Packing has been started and clothes sorted for the rag bin and charity
shops so all in all we are on target for our new life on the water....
Apologies if this is too long for some but I was aked <g>
Regards ConnieD

> Thanks Connie
> Let everyone know how the plans are going - it seems ages since you
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> > water) but the food was wonderful and the trip amazing.
> > Nice to see you back again. Regards ConnieD.
Sandy Morton - 04 Apr 2004 23:37 GMT
lots snipped but -

> there has been a hiccough with the physio though but that should be
> sorted out this week....... he can't drive himself the 15 miles
> each way to the hospital and with DIL at work it is a bit of a
> problem especially with us being this far away from him too.

The NHS should send an ambulance - they do on Millport and the
furthest away patient can only be 3 miles.  They also transport
people regularly to Inverclyde which entails a ferry crossing each
way.

> The house was sold just 8 days from us putting on the market.....(
> subject to contract etc. etc.) ....house viewers #4 put in an
> opening offer which we refused but then accepted when they upped
> their offer by another £2.000. 00.

Fingers crossed!

>drawn up all the plans for the electrical tails and
> radiators which will be built in for us and now choosing kitchen
> units and a multi fuel stove along with searching out 12v
> electrical items such as the fridge/freezer, oven and
> washer/tumbler drier.

You will have a mega major problem getting these to work on 12 volts.

> Once we move from this house we are going on holiday for a couple
> of weeks, on a narrowboat of course! We want to try our hand at
> sailing along a river in a hired boat before we try it in ours LOL.

You really really want to hit something with somebody elses boat:-))

> To top it all, Robert retires from work this Thursday and I know he
> is really looking forward at not having to wear a shirt and tie
> again LOL....( No more sammidges each morning thank goodness).

Presumably he is taking early retirement so that he can pander to
your every need?

> Packing has been started and clothes sorted for the rag bin and
> charity shops so all in all we are on target for our new life on
> the water.... Apologies if this is too long for some but I was aked
> <g> Regards ConnieD

Is "aked" short for asked or naked?  I think we should be told:-))

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ConnieD - 05 Apr 2004 00:35 GMT
> lots snipped but -
>
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>
> Fingers crossed!

.and eyes, feet and legs.......

> >drawn up all the plans for the electrical tails and
> > radiators which will be built in for us and now choosing kitchen
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>
> You will have a mega major problem getting these to work on 12 volts.

We really checked this out before deciding what electrical appliances we'd
want and we have got a Shire 1950 LB, 4 cylinder,40hp with twin alternators
and a 3.5 kw Power Pack as an extra as the engine and supply system so we
should be OK as long as we don't have everything going at once LOL...
Prices are much more expenive for the 12v versions but are certainly
available as we have seen what we want.

> > Once we move from this house we are going on holiday for a couple
> > of weeks, on a narrowboat of course! We want to try our hand at
> > sailing along a river in a hired boat before we try it in ours LOL.
>
> You really really want to hit something with somebody elses boat:-))

I might look like a cabbage but I ain't that green........

>>Robert retires from work this Thursday and I know he
> > is really looking forward at not having to wear a shirt and tie
> > again LOL....( No more sammidges each morning thank goodness).
>
> Presumably he is taking early retirement so that he can pander to
> your every need?

Bloody hell. don't give him heart failure before he's started the engine
please <g>.......

> > Packing has been started and clothes sorted for the rag bin and
> > charity shops so all in all we are on target for our new life on
> > the water.... Apologies if this is too long for some but I was aked
> > <g> Regards ConnieD
>
> Is "aked" short for asked or naked?  I think we should be told:-))

No that would be telling wouldn't it....... Regards ConnieD who swishes
locks over shoulder on way up the apples and pears....
Gwen Love - 04 Apr 2004 23:38 GMT
Connie, congratulations on getting a contract on the house so quickly.  All
that hard work paid off, didn't it!  And the plans for the narrow boat
sound wonderful (just like home!).  Hope it all turns out even better than
you think it will.  I am almost envious.
Glad Kevin is doing well.  Can see that getting to physio is a problem.
Hope it is worked out very soon.
Keep us posted on how things are going, with the house, the boat, and you
and Robert.
Bet he can't wait until Thursday.  How is he doing heart-wise?
Gwen

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| Thanks for asking Janet, Kevin is off his painkillers now and although he
| has trouble getting comfy with his leg in a full plastercast, he is doing
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| > > water) but the food was wonderful and the trip amazing.
| > > Nice to see you back again. Regards ConnieD.
Jan Brown - 05 Apr 2004 11:30 GMT
That's a lot of good news Connie, and I'm glad it's all going well. So
much done, so many plans, so much still to do - I bet you don't know
whether you're coming or going sometimes. Are you making lists of your
lists yet lol
I'm a little envious, although that might only last until a Force 9 gale
starts and I'm safely tucked into my pile of bricks and mortar!
Congrats to Robert on his retirement too. I'm so pleased things are
going well.
Keep posting and telling us the latest won't you?
Janet

> Thanks for asking Janet, Kevin is off his painkillers now and although he
> has trouble getting comfy with his leg in a full plastercast, he is doing
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> > > water) but the food was wonderful and the trip amazing.
> > > Nice to see you back again. Regards ConnieD.
herbwormwood - 29 Apr 2004 12:02 GMT
> I never knew that 5 days could be soooooo exhausting. I've walked for
> miles, and every night I staggered into my hotel bedroom promising
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> I did when I went there 12 months ago. Each lot of steps at the Metro
> Stations seemed like Everest, and I know it will be next to impossible

We went on a trip to London last year, I knew I couldnt manage the stairs
on  the tube at all so we did a lot of research about buses before we
went, we obtained timetables and routes and planned where we would be
going each day.
We went everywhere on the buses, which were easy for me to get on and off,
except for a taxi to and from Kings Cross,  some walks and a river trip.
It was wonderful, except it turned out the place we were staying had loads
of stairs and difficult ones too!
I expect some advance planning and research  for accessible transport
would enable you to go back to Paris if you wanted to. Being on a bus is
much nicer than the underground anyway, you see so much more.

> to go there again. Last night we had an evening dinner cuise along the
> Seine, and I got all weepy at the sheer beauty of it all. Still, the
> bottle of red and the bottle of white did help - oh yes, and the
> champagne too...........!
>
> Janet

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