Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / July 2004
The annoying T cycle
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francispoon - 06 Jul 2004 04:29 GMT I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are 'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of the kind of medication I put on, I could have the bad days improved in degree but not in kind. That is to say, it is still the solid 3 days in which things are annoying.
On a good day, I could drink, smoke, eat chocolate, dance..etc. and the day is still good. On a bad day, I could become a vegetarian living on nature, the day still remains bad.
Questions: (1)Does it mean that whatever consumed into our bodies is totally unrelated to our T? OR... (2)Whatever consumed into our body system, including our emotion, has a way to express itself in T sound only after going through a certain time lag.
Appreciate views...
FP
Patty Walker - 06 Jul 2004 14:54 GMT I do believe that emotions play a big role in tinnitus. Being overly stressed can increase the loudness of my tinnitus, as does being overly fatigued (from not sleeping well). As far as the 'lag time' ... I don't think so. As witnessed by me, after watching and listening to 20 minutes of a fireworks display on July 4th without my earplugs (I forgot and left them in my car). The resulting increased loudness was instantly perceived...no lag time! ~Patty~
> I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are > 'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the day is still good. On a bad day, I could become a vegetarian > living on nature, the day still remains bad.
> Questions: > (1)Does it mean that whatever consumed into our bodies is totally [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > FP Elly Byrne - 06 Jul 2004 20:57 GMT What are you DOING on the bad and good days? What could your body be reacting to?
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/
For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
>I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are >'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >FP francispoon - 08 Jul 2004 04:44 GMT > What are you DOING on the bad and good days? > What could your body be reacting to? I usually know whether or not it is going to be a good or bad day before having breakfast. It the somatic discomfort persists on the 'left' side of the head after taking the high blood pressure pills, it is a bad day. If it goes over to the right side, it is a good day. My doctor told me it is a nerve problem and my T is very nerve-related.
FP ===================================
> Tinnitus is a pain in the neck > Elly's Tinnitus Resources [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > >FP Mick Sterbs - 07 Jul 2004 14:03 GMT > I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are > 'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > FP A lurker responds: I've had tinnitus for 7 months now. I've studied what I do, what I eat or drink, examine my every move, and yet I can find no rule for my tinnitus days. Nothing seems to cause it. At times I thought I had recognised a pattern, only to have it blown out of the water. So, here I am, seven months later, and there is only one single true fact about my tinnitus, and actually it's a good fact: I NEVER have it two days running; if I have it today, then I definitely will NOT have it tomorrow.
Patty - 07 Jul 2004 14:42 GMT How can that be? Mine is constant with only occasional, brief moments of not noticing it. As posted earlier, I am trying B12 injections to see if there is any change. If not, nothing lost. I have accepted the fact that: 1. I have chronic tinnitus. 2. It isn't going to go away. 3. It can't harm me. But, I will never understand how it's possible to *not hear* a sound that is always present. I eat healthy, exercise daily...100 sit-ups and leg lifts, run 8-10 miles every other day, rock climbing, I could go on and on, but no need. I am in good health and about as relaxed as a person can get. I've made some lifestyle changes, eliminated stress from my life, don't sweat the small stuff like I used to...and yet my t remains the same. Thanks to all that have given me advise. I wish all of you the best of luck with your tinnitus and I will *learn to live with it* as best I can. Ciao, ~Patty~
> A lurker responds: > I've had tinnitus for 7 months now. I've studied what I do, what I eat or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > actually it's a good fact: I NEVER have it two days running; if I have it > today, then I definitely will NOT have it tomorrow. Susan - 07 Jul 2004 15:05 GMT >But, I will never understand how it's possible to *not hear* a sound that is >always present. Two points: It's not always present. Mine was intermittent and only occasional for the first years I had it. Onset began with a disabling illness caused by tick borne infections. Years later, it became LOUD and constant with antibiotic treatment, then diminished the longer I treated it. Low carbing softened it more, and it's often absent or a negligible soft hiss. Even when it's present, it never becomes the loud turbine whine and roar I had a the inception of antibiotic treatment that nearly did me in.
Once you habituate your tinnitus, and almost everyone does over time, you just don't notice it. You're not consciously hearing it.
Susan
Daniel - 13 Jul 2004 18:41 GMT Hi Susan, I think you hit the problem on the head, so to speak. The tick problem could have been a Lyme infection which is hard to diagnose and treat. Over the years my Tinnitus has gotten worse and worse along with all the other classic symptoms of Lyme. A few years ago I would have it for a day or two out of the week. Now it is with me almost all the time with a once in a while getting relief it seems from doing lots of strenuous exercise. My next step - a new doctor.
Good Luck
Dan
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Susan Susan - 13 Jul 2004 19:49 GMT >I think you hit the problem on the head, so to speak. The tick problem could >have been a Lyme infection which is hard to diagnose and treat. Actually, it turned out to be, so far, borreliosis (Lyme) and two strains of ehrlichiosis, along with a possible case of babesiosis.
There are no clinically reliable diagnostic tests for any of these diseases, and one tick bite can transmit numerous pathogens at once. :-/
Over the
>years my Tinnitus has gotten worse and worse along with all the other >classic symptoms of Lyme. A few years ago I would have it for a day or two >out of the week. Now it is with me almost all the time with a once in a >while getting relief it seems from doing lots of strenuous exercise. My next >step - a new doctor. Be very careful about who you choose, especially if you're looking into tick borne diseases. There is both under and overdiagnosing/treating going on with TBDs.
If you're unable to find a good doc to rely on, I'm in favor of getting one's hands on doxycycline (if you're not allergic) either online or at a vet supply house, and doing an empiric trial.
Good luck to you.
Susan
francispoon - 08 Jul 2004 04:48 GMT > > I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are > > 'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > actually it's a good fact: I NEVER have it two days running; if I have it > today, then I definitely will NOT have it tomorrow. I used to have _exactly_ the same pattern after a seris of treatment. Now i have two or three good days followed by a bad day. You might want to talk to a neurologist about this phenomenon. They have a special term for this kind of phenomenon. My doctor prescribed me gingko biloba to help circulate the blood flow in the head. You may want to talk to your doctor and try that. By the way, my doc is adamant about using gingko dried leaf but NOT extract.
FP
Smarty pants - 08 Jul 2004 05:01 GMT <snip>
> I used to have _exactly_ the same pattern after a seris of treatment. > Now i have two or three good days followed by a bad day. You might [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > FP -and- I usually know whether or not it is going to be a good or bad day before having breakfast. It the somatic discomfort persists on the 'left' side of the head after taking the high blood pressure pills, it is a bad day. If it goes over to the right side, it is a good day. My doctor told me it is a nerve problem and my T is very nerve-related.
FP
So then, Francis, which is it? A nerve problem or a vascular problem? Which helps, the blood pressure pills or the gingko? You see, Francis, there is no way you can correlate the variation in your tinnitus with either the ginkgo or the blood pressure medication. Moreover, extensive studies have demonstrated that there is no correlation with either.
francispoon - 14 Jul 2004 04:14 GMT > <snip> > > I used to have _exactly_ the same pattern after a seris of treatment. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the ginkgo or the blood pressure medication. Moreover, extensive studies > have demonstrated that there is no correlation with either. What 'extensive studies'? You could always find extensive studies on both side of the fence.
FP =============
Ernst Raedecker - 08 Jul 2004 15:17 GMT >I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are >'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of >the kind of medication I put on, I could have the bad days improved in >degree but not in kind. That is to say, it is still the solid 3 days >in which things are annoying. Of course I cannot judge your specific circumstances, so I cannot simple tell you "The cause of YOUR T. is such and so."
However, in my opinion, allergic reactions causing the symptoms of tinnitus are far more common than many people expect.
In my case it took me some 3 years to figure out that my steadily increasing tinnitus (sizzles, distortions, beeps) was caused, beyond any doubt, by a very late reaction to fruits of all kinds, especially oranges, lemons, mandarines etc, but also apples, kiwis, bananas, strawberries, raspberries etc etc etc, and also hazelnuts, traces of hazelnut etc.
So for me fruits are off limits, as is orange juice, fanta, most chocolate bars (contain traces of hazelnut), healthy bread rolls that contain nice healthy little seeds, some vegetables, the packs of yoghurt that contain raspberries, strawberries, cherries, etc, slices of apricot cake, you name it.
It took me so long to find out because today I would eat an orange and only TOMORROW would the sizzles start, lasting for 2 or even 3 days. Reaction to apple & hazelnut, however, would be within 20 minutes.
To some foodstuff I have a fast reaction, starting within the hour, lasting 2 or 3 hours, finally giving way to quietness, and STARTING AGAIN the next day or even the day after, lasting for 3 days. All caused by 1 1/2 raspberry mixed in one half cup of nice healthy yoghurt-with-raspberries.
The allergic reaction to fruits is a well known and statistically well established side effect of tree pollen allergy, esp. birch pollen allergy, a condition that I have suffered from for 20 years and more. It happens in about 30% of the cases. Unfortunately this so-called cross reaction is ONLY well known once you know it. Many doctors, even specialists, do NOT know it, so they send you in the wrong direction.
So IF you have a two-sided subjective tinnitus NOT clearly related to hearing damage or physical damage, THEN an allergic reaction COULD BE, in some cases, the cause. Worth to look in to.
Other aspects like muscle tension, fatigue, blood pressure, general feeling of well-being, environmental noises are well mentioned on this newsgroup.
Ernesto.
"You don't have to learn science if you don't feel like it. So you can forget the whole business if it is too much mental strain, which it usually is."
Richard Feynman
Susan - 08 Jul 2004 16:39 GMT >The allergic reaction to fruits is a well known and statistically well >established side effect of tree pollen allergy, esp. birch pollen >allergy, a condition that I have suffered from for 20 years and more. >It happens in about 30% of the cases. Unfortunately this so-called >cross reaction is ONLY well known once you know it. Many doctors, even >specialists, do NOT know it, so they send you in the wrong direction. This may not be a fruit allergy, it may be, instead, a salicylate sensitivity, known to exacerbate tinnitus (it's what's in aspirin). Those foods are typically high in salycilates. A meal high in salicylates cranks my T way up in volume.
See here: http://www.allergyclinic.co.nz/guides/30.html
Susan
francispoon - 14 Jul 2004 04:09 GMT I seldom eat fruits. ============
> >I have discovered that out of the 7 days in a week, 4 are > >'consistently' good while 3 'consistently' bad days. Regardless of [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Richard Feynman John Reinders - 15 Jul 2004 05:47 GMT Most of the foods you mention contain much Potassium. The Dutch and German say Kalium. In Holland there is a study on Potassium and Meniere and it is known that bananas, spinach and nuts contain much Potassium. For the content of Potassium and food: see www.spitalkoeche.ch Ern?hrungsschema A-Z > Kaliumliste. Perhaps you will need a German (Swiss) - English dictionairy.
Dr. Grossnan, what is your opinion?
Regards, John.
> I seldom eat fruits. > ============ [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > > > Richard Feynman
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