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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / July 2004Low sugar diet
I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus, high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an aggravated T. Comments, please? FP > I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect > tinnitus, high sugar diet could do that also. It has also been said that coffee, tea, nicotine can affect tinnitus. It is _known_ that quinine and the active ingredient in aspirine and some antibiotics can. > Both high salt and sugar diet affect the inner ear fluid > concentration which could result in an > aggravated T. Does the source explain the mechanism. > Comments, please? My personal experience sides with the knowledge. What is most important is a change of attitude towards tinnitus, it is "just a noise, fairly steady state" and it is a symptom of the body attempting to recover from hearing loss, i.e. generally to be seen as a positive indication. Stress it seems aggravates tinnitus perception, and is a possible cause of muscle tension and indeed eventually hypertension, either directly or indirectly because of a "stress modified" lifestyle. Because of this is possible for tinnitus and a negative attitude to cause a vicious circle, and such can usually be addressed on any point on their perimeter. Treating hypertension should however be done on the medical indication hypertension, and not just on the indication tinnitus, treating hypertension on only the indication tinnitus would be quackery by any definition thereof. Unskilled opinion. > FP Kind regards Peter Larsen  Signature******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* Peter Larsen <SPAMSHIELD_plarsen@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message snipped... > My personal experience sides with the knowledge. What is most important > is a change of attitude towards tinnitus, it is "just a noise, fairly > steady state" If it were a matter of *only* noise, the solution could have been simple, for myself at least. But when the tinnitus is accompanied by somatic discomfort and tension, it is no longer that simple. Later in my T development, i discovered that the somatic discomfort is caused by excess ear fluid and possible seizure in my brain. For this kind of symptoms, the solution should be medical instead of being psychological in nature. FP ======================= and it is a symptom of the body attempting to recover from > hearing loss, i.e. generally to be seen as a positive indication. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Peter Larsen >I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus, >high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet >affect the inner ear fluid concentration which could result in an >aggravated T. > >Comments, please? Yes, both research and anecdote support the role of low carbohydrate (not just simply sugars) diet in reducing tinnitus in some people. It sure shuts mine down that last little bit. Here're studies, though the diet one is both low carb *and* extremely low calorie. I'd skip the low calorie, and just stop eating starches and sugar to see how that goes. Hyperinsulinemia is the result of high carb consumption. 1: Otolaryngol Pol. 2002;56(1):57-62. Related Articles, Links [Hyperinsulinemia in vertigo, tinnitus and hearing loss] [Article in Polish] Doroszewska G, Kazmierczak H. Katedra i Klinika Otolaryngologii Akademii Medycznej w Bydgoszczy. 48 patients (25 woman, mean age 42 +/- 9.9 years and 23 men, mean age 46.6 +/- 8.3 years) suffering from vertigo, tinnitus and hearing loss of unknown origin were included into this study. The occurrence and coexistence of symptoms was measured. Insulin levels were measured fasting and at the second hour of OGTT. Results were compared with the control group of 31 healthy persons (16 women, mean age 41.3 +/- 5.6 years and 15 men, mean age 47.6 +/- 9.4 years). The character of vertigo, localization of hearing loss and electronystagmographic findings showed the pathology of the inner ear. The occurrence of hyperinsulinemia was significantly more common in the patients group--43.8%, comparing to the control group--22.6%. Also the insulin levels in the second hour of OGTT, were statistically significantly higher in patients that in the control group. PMID: 12053670 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE Ear Nose Throat J 1997 Oct;76(10):716-20, 725-6, 728 passim Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Published erratum appears in Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145 Progressive sensorineural hearing loss, subjective tinnitus and vertigo caused by elevated blood lipids. Pulec JL, Pulec MB, Mendoza I Pulec Ear Clinic and Ear International, Los Angeles, California, USA. The otologist frequently sees patients with progressive sensorineural hearing loss, subjective aural tinnitus and vertigo with no apparent cause. Elevated blood lipids may be a cause of inner ear malfunction on a biochemical basis. To establish the true incidence of this condition, all new patients (4,251) seen during an eight-year period were evaluated; of these, 2,332 patients had complaints of inner ear disease. All had a complete neurotologic examination, appropriate audiometric and vestibular studies and imaging, and blood tests including lipid phenotype studies. Hyperlipoproteinemia was found in 120 patients (5.1%). Most patients were found to be overweight and had additional coexisting conditions such as diabetes mellitus. Treatment with vasodilators and a 500-calorie, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet yielded improvement of symptoms in 83% of patients within five months of initiation of treatment. Comments: Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145 Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Mar;77(3):224 PMID: 9345815, UI: 98005748 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Ear Nose Throat J 1997 Oct;76(10):716-20, 725-6, 728 passim Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Published erratum appears in Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145 Progressive sensorineural hearing loss, subjective tinnitus and vertigo caused by elevated blood lipids. Pulec JL, Pulec MB, Mendoza I Pulec Ear Clinic and Ear International, Los Angeles, California, USA. The otologist frequently sees patients with progressive sensorineural hearing loss, subjective aural tinnitus and vertigo with no apparent cause. Elevated blood lipids may be a cause of inner ear malfunction on a biochemical basis. To establish the true incidence of this condition, all new patients (4,251) seen during an eight-year period were evaluated; of these, 2,332 patients had complaints of inner ear disease. All had a complete neurotologic examination, appropriate audiometric and vestibular studies and imaging, and blood tests including lipid phenotype studies. Hyperlipoproteinemia was found in 120 patients (5.1%). Most patients were found to be overweight and had additional coexisting conditions such as diabetes mellitus. Treatment with vasodilators and a 500-calorie, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet yielded improvement of symptoms in 83% of patients within five months of initiation of treatment. Comments: Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145 Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Mar;77(3):224 PMID: 9345815, UI: 98005748 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Susan When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the best information. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com Guess I'll have to rent it! Just out of curiosity, I have been on a low carb diet for a little over a year. Since my T has become more pronounced in the past year....any correlation? Patty > When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the > best information. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com >Guess I'll have to rent it! Just out of curiosity, I have been on a low >carb diet for a little over a year. Since my T has become more pronounced >in the past year....any correlation? If you're on a low carb diet that contains a lot of feedlot raised red meat and/or egg yolks, you may be sensitive to the inflammatory effects of the arachidonic acid in them. Also, low carb diets (like very low cal diets) lower active circulating thyroid hormone. If it's possible that you have some degree of thyroid dysfunction, this too is known to cause T and you may want to have your free T3 and rT3 (inactive T3) tested. HTH, Susan I have never really cared for red meat and rarely consume red meat on my low carb diet. As a general rule, I eat chicken, turkey, *some* fish and ocasionally turkey. I only have 1or sometimes 2 eggs per week. Maybe I should have my thyroid check just to be sure though. Thanks Susan, Patty > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan >Maybe I >should have my thyroid check just to be sure though. >Thanks Susan, >Patty You're welcome, it's definitely worth having a look at it. Just be sure it's not a simple, basically useless, TSH test. Free T3, and, if possible, reverse T3 are the keys. My own T3 was borderline til I went very low carb, then I needed supplementation. I still eat low carb, and for some reason, supplementing with chromium rid me of the need for my thyroid pill. Susan >I still eat low carb, and for some reason, ....................... Tried it. Thought I'd starve to death after the first day. - jean :) > Tried it. Thought I'd starve to death after the first day. There're lots of ways to do it, though. One way, the best way to start, I think, is to just cut out all the white stuff, or half the starch you eat, increasing fat. I eat a lot of carbs, volume wise, but they're leafy instead of starchy. The protein and fat I've increased keep me from being hungry. Susan Same here! I cut out all the white stuff in the beginning. Now, I will *occasionally* have a slice of Sara Lee Low Carb bread for toast. I actually eat more now than I did before, but am still able to lose weight. It's the choices you make, such as lots of green, leafy veggies and fruits that help to keep you from getting hungry. Sure, I would rather have *real* chocolate and ice cream instead of sugar free....butt...:-) Patty > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Susan > Sure, I would rather have *real* >chocolate and ice cream instead of sugar free....butt...:-) Ah, but I only eat real very dark chocolate, it's amazingly low carb, and a small bite or two satisfies me. I don't like artificial sweeteners, I get the aftertaste. Susan "Susan " <sufein@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > Ah, but I only eat real very dark chocolate, it's amazingly low carb, and a > small bite or two satisfies me. I agree, Susan, a small bar of dark chocolate, or two, is very satisfactory! Paul entconsult@aol.comnospam (ENTconsult) wrote in part: >When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the >best information. >Murray Grossan, M.D. It is coming true. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Read a brief review of the movie on the net....not sure what you mean by "It is coming true" .... so, I am curious enough to ask...What is coming true? Let me guess what the answer will be...."Watch The Movie"? :-) Patty > entconsult@aol.comnospam (ENTconsult) wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It is coming true. "Patty Walker" <pwalker2@sccoast.net> wrote in part: >Read a brief review of the movie on the net....not sure what you mean by "It >is coming true" .... so, I am curious enough to ask...What is coming true? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> It is coming true. It's a Rip-van-Winkle sort of tale in which a health-food-store owner wakes up to a future in which science has proven deep-fried foods and chocolate to be healthy. If Allen had picked alcohol and chocolate, he could have gotten a perfect score. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > When it comes to diet, I always refer to Woody Allen's Movie, Sleeper as the > best information. You might be right about that. Either I don't have meniere's or whatever I eat does not seem bothering me at all, looking back in restrospective. Currently I keep an eye on just the salt part. Beer seems to calm me down. And cholocate makes me happy....not sure about MSG. FP =================================== > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: >I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus, >high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >FP Consumption of either salt or sugar has a very rapid effect on inner ear fluid pressures. I don't know how true it is, but I've read explanations (in technical papers) that attribute the sudden shift to passage of ions and fluids through tissues and affecting presumably the outflow of blood from the inner ear. It's a matter of a spreading change in osmolarity. (Take a strip of cloth, wet it, and then apply salt or sugar to one end. Note that the moisture moves through the cloth towards the sugar/salt.) Sudden changes in osmolarity (ion/water balance) of the inner ear fluids is believed responsible for the attacks in Meniere's disease. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > fluids through tissues and affecting presumably the outflow of blood from the > inner ear. It's a matter of a spreading change in osmolarity. I read a paper which talks about this. But this phenomenon is confined to people whose inner ear fluid system has lost its independence and as a result is affected by the general fluid system of the body as a whole. Currently, i keep an eye on only the salt part of my diet. Also, i am taking in less sweets too. The rest, including alcohol, coffee, chocolate etc., taken in moderation, after repeated testings, don't bother me at all. FP =================== > (Take a strip of cloth, wet it, and then apply salt or sugar to one end. Note > that the moisture moves through the cloth towards the sugar/salt.) > > Sudden changes in osmolarity (ion/water balance) of the inner ear fluids is > believed responsible for the attacks in Meniere's disease. well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate, and also for us women, it is worse around that time of the month. francispoon wrote in message <936eaee8.0406201945.6d0d9fa1@posting.google.com>... >I have discovered that not only high salt diet could affect tinnitus, >high sugar diet could do that also. Both high salt and sugar diet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >FP I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was more worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my familys life to suffer because of my negligence getting this T. But thankfully i am doing pretty well, and the noise increases when i am stressed or due to increased salt content (MSG included). Sugar, caffeine, alchohol (beer only) has no effect. Being in the NY area, I recently read about Dr Choi's PSTR (noise cancellation) success rate of 83% on single-pitch tinnitus, and just thinking about it, I have slept even better (amazing how happiness controls our health problems even better than these tablets!) I am planning to check if my insurance covers part of PSTR, but what the heck, to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting with $1500. This T/Insomnia has a tremendous impact on how i changed me from being a shy technology geek into a more strong person overall. // All i think the doctors know is 5 years more info than us (not enough to cure T) > well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is > worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate, and also for us women, it is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > >FP > I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was more > worried about insomnia due to it, since I never wanted my job or my familys life [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to get that CD which sends a negating sound signal, i don't mind parting with > $1500. njs, Aside from the fact that the tinnitus sound is perceived (as opposed to real) 100% sound cancellation can only occur in the presence of two sources at exactly the same frequency and phase. To accomplish this, Dr. Choi would first have to determine the frequency and phase of you tinnitus, something that would be impossible for her/him to do because it cannot be measured by any known technology. Even if Dr. Choi were able to do this, and precisely generate a canceling signal, cancellation would only take place if the characteristics of the tinnitus sound remained perfectly constant. This is "snake oil" so save your money. Bill Bill, thanks for the advise. Makes sense, it could be a marketing tactic, on how they measure 'success' of quelling tinnitus noise. This opinion was shared also by Dr Jack Vernon in the latest Tinnitus Today magazine. But, as i have posted in earlier news threads, I have found the fan noise from a $12 honeywell tablefan very effective to cancel out my tinnitus noise in a dead silent room. Now, I will need to figure out how to record this fan noise on a CD, and take it with me on business trips. > > I have had tinnitus for 18 months, and I have gotten used to it. I was > more [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Bill njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise *cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's technology, an inexpensive table fan can do a very good job of *masking* the sound. I mask my tinnitus with a radio instead because the intelligent commentary further distracts me from the tinnitus sound. Bill > Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > > > Bill "Smarty pants" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >njs, canceling noise is different from masking noise. While a noise >*cancellation* device such as Dr. Choi sells cannot exist given today's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Bill Well, shoot! You already had replied. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG ok. thanks guys. yes, its masking. but the fan noise is so gentle, that it beats out the radio static, humidifier or similiar instruments. > "Smarty pants" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG njs <nj@nospam.com> wrote in part: >thanks for the advise. Makes sense, it could be a marketing tactic, on how they >measure 'success' of quelling tinnitus noise. This opinion was shared also by Dr [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >silent room. Now, I will need to figure out how to record this fan noise on a >CD, and take it with me on business trips. I think you are describing masking, not cancelling. If the fan and the tinnitus cancelled each other, you would hear silence in a "dead silent room." SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > well I have started a tinnitus diary, and I have found so far my tinnitus is > worse after high levels of suagr or chocolate, Sometimes it is hard to figure out which ingredient is responsible for the execerbation of our T. I suppose in order to find that out, one has to be abstinent from it for a few days or more. These ingredients, salt, sugar, alcohol, etc., do stay in our system for an undefined period of time before expressing themselves through a louder T. Don't you think so? FP and also for us women, it is > worse around that time of the month. > francispoon wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > >FP |
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