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ERIC EMRY - 18 Jun 2004 06:34 GMT
After reading this section, you will be shocked at how damaging synthetic
vitamins can be to your body! Please take the time to read this entire
section. If you do, you will never look at vitamins or your body the same
way ever again! After reading this, please contact everyone you know and
tell them about the serious effects that can happen when taking processed
synthetic vitamins! Working together, we could improve the lives of millions
of people!

According to Taber's Medical Dictionary, vitamins are essential for normal
metabolism, growth and life of the body.1  They are indispensable for the
maintenance of health.  Up until now there has been some controversy
regarding the necessity to supplement vitamins back into the diet.  The
Journal of American Medical Association concluded from a study that every
individual should take a multivitamin everyday, thus ending that
controversy.2

Research has proven that your body begins to pay the price as it tries to
compensate for nutrient deficiencies. Eventually, poor nutrition can lead to
devastating consequences. According to the U.S. Surgeon General3 many people
who get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other serious diseases, may
have been able to avoid such illnesses if they had been receiving proper
nutrition4 and exercise.  Please do not make the mistake of thinking that
your body is invincible. Your health is worth a billion dollars and it
doesn't take much to give the body what it needs and deserves. Bottom line,
getting the proper nutrients and micronutrients each day is critical to
maintaining good health.

So now hundreds of supplement companies have looked to chemical derivatives
and synthetic vitamins as a solution.  The very logic of this seems
irrational when you remember where vitamins come from.  Vitamins are found
in food, and just because current growing and processing methods have
depleted the vitamins available from our foods, it does not mean that we
should come up with new-fangled ways to get these micronutrients from some
other source.  Instead, we should look for a way to get more of the safe,
effective vitamins that are available only from foods.

Let me explain by using vitamin C as an example.  Ascorbic acid is often
sold as vitamin C, and yet it is only a chemically derived fraction of the
whole food vitamin.  As it is found in food, vitamin C is a complete complex
which is actually made up of ascorbic acid plus rutin, bioflavonoids, K
factor and J factors - as well as other substances that no human experiment
has been able to replicate.  You must have all of these fractions in order
for the Vitamin to be complete.
In order for the body to absorb and use a vitamin, all of the parts of the
complex must be present.  That means that in order to use the fractionated
form of the vitamin, the body must first supply the other parts of the whole
food complex.  If ascorbic acid alone is ingested, the body must complete
the complex by robbing its own collagen tissue of the elements that are
missing in the "vitamin C" you supplied.

This process is rarely complete and can even cause increased deficiencies.
A published study by Doctors Vinson and Bose showed this to be the case.
They found that vitamin C from citrus extract was absorbed 35 percent more
than ascorbic acid.  Their conclusion was that; "Although natural and
synthetic ascorbic acids are chemically identical, citrus fruits contain
bioflavonoids such as naringin and hesperidin as well as carbohydrates and
proteins that might affect the bioavailability."5

Another study conducted at the University of Scranton found a "significantly
greater effectiveness" of citrus extract than of synthetic ascorbic acid in
slowing the progression of galactose cataracts.  The citrus extract was 41
percent more effective.6

Likewise, other vitamins have been shown in study after study to be more
effective in their whole food form.  One study by J.A. Vinson and C. Hsu,
published in Medical Science Research, found whole food vitamin E and
vitamin A to be more bioavailable than isolated, synthetic forms of these
vitamins.  In the case of vitamin A, results showed the food base product
was retained 9.4 times more than the synthetic form.7

Synthetic vitamins simply cannot measure up to the real thing.  As of 1996,
over 3,800 different compounds have been identified in foods as having
nutritional significance.8  However, in a laboratory, twenty nutrients are
about all that modern science can reproduce and put into a vitamin product.

Even more of a concern than the ineffectiveness of these synthetic vitamins
is the harm that they can cause.

In the case of vitamin E, large doses of the fractionated form
(alpha-tocopherol) pull vitamins and minerals from the bones.
Supplementation of the synthetic, alpha-tocopherol form of vitamin E showed
harmful effects, including 18 percent higher incidence of lung cancer, more
strokes, more heart attacks and an 8 percent increase in the overall death
rate.9

Research also verifies that using just a fraction of vitamin A actually
increases the risk of cancer.  On the other hand, the whole food vitamin A,
and foods containing vitamin A, has the opposite effect.  The whole food
form significantly reduces the risk of cancer.

A study done by Boston University School of Medicine and published in the
New England Journal of Medicine showed that synthetic vitamin A given to
pregnant women increased the risk of birth defects, including such defects
as cleft lip, cleft palate, heart malformations and nervous system damage.10
No such defects were noted from ingesting whole foods that contain vitamin
A.

Fractionated vitamins actually produce a drug-like reaction in the body.
They stimulate increased activity of nerve cells and increase blood sugar
pickup.  This brings a feeling of euphoria and can create a temporary
increase in energy but long term damage to the body.

One of the latest studies was on Vitamin C as synthetic ascorbic acid.  It
was found to thicken the walls of the arteries, a condition known as
atherosclerosis.  Researchers from the Institute for Health Promotion and
Disease Prevention found that of the 573 men and women studied, those who
regularly took vitamin C pills as Ascorbic Acid alone developed an inner
artery wall layer 2.5 times thicker than that of people who did not take
synthetic supplements.11
With all this evidence to support whole food vitamins, why do you think
companies continue to make and market the "cheap imitations"?  The answer:
Because they are cheap.  However, while these companies may save money and
make more profit, there is no way the synthetic forms can match the
effectiveness and health promoting qualities of a whole food vitamin.  The
human cell recognizes and can use for fuel, repair and function, only
natural, whole food complexes.

Whole food vitamins do not rob precious nutrients from the body, but supply
the individual cells with the nutrients they need to flourish.  For greatest
gains in terms of health, take only whole food vitamins.  When evaluating a
vitamin supplement, you can simply read the label.  Rather than
multi-syllable, unpronounceable chemical names, you should find the names of
foods listed as the vitamin sources.  The Greatest Vitamin in the World
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Remember, next to the name of any vitamin, if you don't see a name of a food
or an asterisk leading you to a place on the label that tells you the food
source of the vitamins, you are more than likely looking at an inexpensive,
processed vitamin that is stripped of all other compounds that are normally
present with vitamins that are found in fruits and vegetables. If you see
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getting the essential precursors, enzymes, activators, antioxidants, and
micronutrients (essential compounds) that are naturally found with vitamins.
These essential compounds make it much easier for the body to absorb and
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Eating healthy, getting the proper nutrients, annual medical checkups, and
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Patty  Walker - 18 Jun 2004 16:16 GMT
I've always heard that Centrum was more complete, from A to Zinc....
Beside being a marketing ploy, surely you aren't suggesting that your
Miracle Vitamin will help Tinnutus!

> After reading this section, you will be shocked at how damaging synthetic
> vitamins can be to your body! Please take the time to read this entire
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> nutrition and our body so we can all live a longer and healthier life. That
> is my personal goal, and the goal of this amazing company!
William Nunn - 19 Jun 2004 00:39 GMT
> I've always heard that Centrum was more complete, from A to Zinc....
> Beside being a marketing ploy, surely you aren't suggesting that your
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> That
> > is my personal goal, and the goal of this amazing company!

is this some scientology stuff?
Jim Chinnis - 19 Jun 2004 02:16 GMT
"William Nunn" <nopenope> wrote in part:

>is this some scientology stuff?

No. It's spam--an advertisement.
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Richard A. - 23 Jun 2004 05:56 GMT
I'm taking about 50 vitamin pills a day, 3 bottles lined up for each
day..morning..noon and evening. I'm taking ginko and about every pill
you have heard of that supposed to be good for T and many more. I've
been taking them steady for almost 2 years. The pills are definately
helping to counter act the oxidative stress on my 50 year old body but
they have not eliminated my T.
The thing that is helping to 'cure' the T problem for me is Solaraze
non-steroid anti-inflammatory gel. Ask your your dermatoligist for a
couple tubes and use it twice a day on your outer ear..if you get a
reaction prepare yourself for months of years of battle.
My T is less and my hearing is getting better..I'll get a new
audiogram in August.
The thing about vitamin pills..ginko etc..they are good for you and
maybe good for T to a lesser degree..but I think T is primarily rooted
in inflammation caused by mutant cells in or around the ear..and the
pills just don't have enough jolt to kill off that problem.
Cheers,
Richard
Peter Larsen - 26 Jun 2004 18:51 GMT

> I'm taking about 50 vitamin pills a day, 3 bottles lined
> up for each day..morning..noon and evening.

In my opinion the main result is undue kidney and liver stress. More
than 10 times the recommended daily dosage is likely toxic, at least
with the fat soluble vitamins.

> I'm taking ginko

I found a small dosage helpful for some time a couple of years ago. I
have also said repeatedly in this newsgroup that I consider it a very
potent medication that should be used with some care. I have not even
considered mixing it with my current hypertension medication - simply
because some of the effects seem to be similar - and considering the
recent major health warnings regarding it my policy and respect for its
potency seems to have been wise.

My personal opinion is that it gently works as a tinnitus "softener",
but thinking back I will rather ascribe that effect to its slight
bloodpressure reducing effect than to any major virtue of it, i.e.
assert that people who find that gingko biloba reduces their tinnitus
should get themselves an "overall bloodcirculatory checkup" and that
they may be likely to get a much better reduction of perceived tinnutus
by addressing any blood pressure anomalies that may or may not be
detected in such a checkup.

> and about every pill you have heard of that supposed to be good
> for T and many more. I've been taking them steady for almost 2
> years. The pills are definately helping to counter act the oxidative
> stress on my 50 year old body

How have you determined this to be the case?

> but they have not eliminated my T.

Sorry, I don't mean to disrespect you, but you do seem to convey that
you have tried whether various additives and medications would
"eliminate" your perceived tinnitus, found that they don't and not done
what common logic suggests: go back to some reasonable approximation to
WHO recommended vitamin intake. Allow me to suggest that the financial
benefit in so doing could be major and that an equally large total
health increase is equally likely.

> The thing that is helping to 'cure' the T problem for me
> is Solaraze non-steroid anti-inflammatory gel.

Two things - or perhaps three really helped me: 1) a job in open air and
countryside silence for slighly more than half a year, i.e. a reduced
noise load for an extented period and 2) a regulaition of a moderate
hypertension, the possible third is getting physically more fit as a
secondary consequence of 1).

> Ask your your dermatoligist for a couple tubes and use it twice
> a day on your outer ear..if you get a reaction prepare yourself
> for months of years of battle.

Why?

>  My T is less and my hearing is getting better..

How can you claim to know what cause and effect mechanism that worked?

> I'll get a new audiogram in August.

What an audiogram can tell you is what your hearing threshold is, simply
said "how bad your hearing is". What it can not tell you is how good
your hearing is, because it says nothing about what the brain can or can
not derive based on the signal conducted to it via the aural nerve.

> The thing about vitamin pills..ginko etc..they are good for

Depends on various concerns, it certainly is not "that simple".

> you and maybe good for T to a lesser degree..

Depends on various concerns, it certainly is not "that simple".

> but I think T is primarily rooted in inflammation caused
> by mutant cells in or around the ear..

Tinnitus is most likely to be caused by noise inflicted hearing damage,
it basically appears to be a recovery symptom. Other possible reasons
have been mentioned in this newsgroup, To one of them I can say that it
is my perception that tinnitus causes muscular tension in the neck, not
vice versa, but also that relaxation tends to ameliorate perceived
tinnitus.

It might be about breaking a circle in a way similar to the Edgar Cayce
cure for migraine, a much ridiculed one: a laxative. This because a true
classic migraine arrests peristaltic movement leading to temporary
constipation. It is because of this that some migraine medications are
non-oral. Edgar Cayce's claim is that that constipation causes pressure
on abdominal nerve centers that cause a migraine. Please remember that a
true classic migraine is a "fairly simple" blood flow disorder. I can'¨t
comment on the relevance or effect of the Cayce suggestion, simple and
cheap ergotamine does it for me when required.

> and the pills just don't have enough jolt to kill off that problem.

Please reduce your disrespect for your own body's self repair mechanisms
by a relevant number of orders of magnitude. It is not easy to discount
that the gel may influence bloodflow, but tinnitus per se is an inner
ear, or "deeper" issue, it is not an outer ear issue, and it is
unavoidably required to consider the placebo effect when making cause
and effect statements.

The brain will constantly rebuild itself and adapt to changes in task
and conditions, but it needs time. What I think has helped you is what
has perhaps been what has helped me: time to heal and time to adapt to
what cannot be healed.

> Richard

 Kind regards

 Peter Larsen

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Peter Larsen - 26 Jun 2004 19:13 GMT

> After reading this section, you will be shocked at

Looks like a pyramid scheme to me.

> Please check out the different buttons located on this website.

I did just that. You offer way to many money for referrals. Oh, you also
violate the stated antispam policy on your site by spamming a usenet
newsgroup, a support group even. You appear to be a fraud and a quack.

  Peter Larsen

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Richard A. - 29 Jun 2004 22:39 GMT
Hey Pete,
Could you cite me any of these vitamin toxcitiy studies you're
alluding too. I'm not talking about the obivious ones like vitamin A.
When I say I'm taking 50 pills, that includes things like 3 calcium, 3
vitamin C 500 mg, etc. etc. I have a bookshelf full of recent vitamin
books, tell me where I'm going wrong..specifically.
My hearing is graudually improving, I use to have turn the TV volume
up to at least 60..now its down to 40. My tinnitus is reducing, it's
not gone but it is much less. I will get a new audiogram in late
August so I can compare the graph to my 2 previous ones. And the proof
will be in the pudding and that will be the pudding. Where or what is
your pudding?
Thanks for the input.
Cheers,
Rich

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