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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / July 2004Any Idea?
Numerous liternatures talk about Meniere disease as being characterized by the over-pressure of the inner ear, amongst the other symptoms. I have rarely experienced the pressure in my ear but each morning I feel that on the left side of my head(inside the brain). The pressure could then be released by the use of diuretics. Question: Does my symptom qualify me to be a Meniere sufferer? Thank you in advance, FP > Numerous liternatures talk about Meniere disease as being > characterized by the over-pressure of the inner ear, amongst the other > symptoms. I have rarely experienced the pressure in my ear but each > morning I feel that on the left side of my head(inside the brain). > The pressure could then be released by the use of diuretics. Medicines should generally be taken on a solid indication of their relevance. > Question: Does my symptom qualify me to be a Meniere sufferer? No based on that those who have mentioned Menière here have had complaints about dizzyness. > Thank you in advance, Please be aware that the above is just unskilled personal opinion and does not constitute professional quality advice. > FP Kind regards Peter Larsen  Signature******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* > > > Numerous liternatures talk about Meniere disease as being [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No based on that those who have mentioned Menière here have had > complaints about dizzyness. There is so-called pseudo-Meniere in which one experiences tinnitus without vertigo or dizziness. I read that somewhere last week. FP ================================= > > > Thank you in advance, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Peter Larsen Francis, Please refer to this site for information on Meniere's Disease: http://www.menieresinfo.com/ Sometimes knowledge can be a wonderful and terrible thing at the same time. By that I mean, one could read the Merck Manual and think...Oh My God!...I've got this or that, by relating to *some* of the symptoms of a particular disease. I still have trouble not hearing my tinnitus...but I'm no longer trying to find out *why* I have it. My main concern is learning how to live with it. Thus far, I have not been very successful, but in time, I hope to be able to live with the buzzzz without concentrating on it. Regards, Patty > Numerous liternatures talk about Meniere disease as being > characterized by the over-pressure of the inner ear, amongst the other [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > FP > Francis, > Please refer to this site for information on Meniere's Disease: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I still have trouble not hearing my tinnitus...but I'm no longer trying to > find out *why* I have it. I would not *totally* discard the motion required to find out *why*. I think you could do both the habituation and finding out why at the same time. lately, I am getting to be increasingly, though not totally, convinced that the stiff neck has a close connection to my tinnitus. My main concern is learning how to live with it. > Thus far, I have not been very successful, but in time, I hope to be able to > live with the buzzzz without concentrating on it. I was never been able to 'learn to live with it' when there was somatic discomfort in my head. Once the somatic discomfort was reduced, habituation became a natural extension of my day to day life. I found out that both the use of diurectics and neck exercises daily could ease off my tinnitus. You perhaps may want to go to visit a chiropractor and see if you have somatic tinnitus. Also, shop around for experienced ENT doctors. Don't diagnose yourself. We have a number of licensed ENT doctors or GPs on this ng and you could go and visit them. They have had the experience with tinnitus patiens. FP ========================= > Regards, > Patty [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > FP Francis, I do see my ENT on a regular basis and have hearing tests. I am not *diagnosing myself*. My test results are as follows: Otoscopic inspection was unremarkable. Pure tone audiometric results indicated normal hearing sensitivity for right ear testing. Left ear responses indicated a slight decrease at 250 Hz, 4000 Hz, and 6000 Hz with a mild drop at 8000 Hz. Responses were found to be within normal limits from 500 Hz through 3000 Hz for left ear testing. The speech reception threshold was in agreement with pure tone findings, bilaterally. Speech discrimination scores were excellent, bilaterally. Tympanometry yielded normal type A tympanograms, bilaterally. In summary, I demonstrated a slight to mild, essentially high frequency hearing impairment for the left ear. Right ear responses were found to be within normal limits. Tympanometry results reflected normal middle ear functioning, bilaterally. Tone decay testing at 4000 Hz stimulating the left ear yielded normal findings with no decay present. It was suggested that I obtain some white noise and/or environmental music sound tapes to use with a walkman headset particularly for the left ear to determine whether or not I can alleviate the tinnitus. I am to return in 6 months to conduct tinnitus matching testing. If I am still bothered by the tinnitus in my left ear, then, we will consider a tinnitus masker. If it becomes more bothersome before the 6 months period of *habituating*, I am to return sooner. There is no specific reason for *WHY* I have tinnitus of the left ear. It may be the result of 20 years of working chair side in a dental office and hearing the high speed handpiece everyday, as it started after several years of this type of work. Then again, it could have been caused by ear infections as an infant. There are many things in my life that *could* have caused it. I don't see any need to dwell on the *WHY* I have tinnitus, it ceratinly won't help it any and it isn't going to make it go away. My time would be better spent on trying to find a way to make it less intrusive. -Patty > I was never been able to 'learn to live with it' when there was > somatic discomfort in my head. Once the somatic discomfort was [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > > > FP I have tinnitus _predominantly_ in my left ear. Some doc suggest one should go and have a check up on the possibility of a acoustic tumor. What does your doc think about this? If your T is only sound but no somatic discomfort, it could be dealt with more easily. Mine involves somatic discomfort of the brain, which currently seems being controlled with the use of jingko biloba and diuretic. FP p.s. you may want to visit a site www.meniere.eebee.net. You might have a stiff neck. ========================================= > Francis, > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > > > > > > > FP Francis, My ENT does not think mine is caused by an acoustic neuroma. His belief is: there would be significant hearing loss if it was caused by a neuroma. Also, if an acoustic neuroma is present and it is small, usually, nothing is done surgically. Only if it is large, causing significant hearing loss etc...will they do anything about it. There is always the ABR test that could be done to check for a neuroma and most of the time they are accurate. When the results come back inconclusive, an MRI must be done. At this time, he does not (because of my other test results) think either is necessary....except maybe to ease my mind. My mind is already eased by the fact that there are far worse ailments I could have, the tinnitus does not hurt (just annoying), and I am healthy otherwise. My internist is of the belief that *everything* is caused by a chemical imbalance. As a result of his beliefs, I have been given Depakote, Zonegran, Paxil...you name it, he's tried it on me. I am not epileptic and do not have seizures. I agree with Peter Larsen when he said *Medicines should generally be taken on a solid indication of their relevance. I am not a guinea pig and do not believe in taking medicines *just to see if it will help*. Finally, my internist admitted to me that he does not know enough about tinnitus and said he would do some research on it. I just kind of laughed :-)...thinking to myself, GOOD LUCK!... Best Regards, -Patty > I have tinnitus _predominantly_ in my left ear. Some doc suggest one > should go and have a check up on the possibility of a acoustic tumor. [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > > > > > > > > > FP Hi Patty, IMHO you are on the right track. As a side note I once took gingko biloba as it was also advertised to sharpen the mind. Those who have posted here for the last few years understand why I would be interested in such a quality in a medication. I wasn't aware, however, that ghingko thins the blood. Here in the US 'food additives' aren't required to list side effects. Anyway, after taking it for a few days I found that because my blood was thinner the resident mosquitoes became hungrier sooner and more often. That warning wasn't on the bottle either. Best Regards, Bruce "IYSALAYSISABW. TYRTEWBAAHDAJATC." > Francis, > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > FP Hi Bruce, I take Co enzyme Q 10. This seems to sharpen the mind considerably. Gosh.does that email address work? What does that stuff down the bottom mean. Looks Arabic. Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >Hi Patty, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Bruce >"IYSALAYSISABW. TYRTEWBAAHDAJATC." "Elly Byrne" <elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote in message > What does that stuff down the bottom mean. Looks Arabic. Elly, that's why Bruce is on that ever-lasting search for mind-sharpening supplements. Even Eerie Wax didn't work!! PaulS > Hi Bruce, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What does that stuff down the bottom mean. Looks Arabic. It means you need to up your dosage. "Ball 33" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >> Hi Bruce, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >It means you need to up your dosage. :D SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Hi Bruce, Ginkgo biloba should be used with caution...even for "sharpening the mind". It not only thins the blood, but can cause bruising on the body. Ginkgo may also interfere with the absorption of other medications that a person may be taking. Found this one a website about the dangers of ephedra. Potentially harmful supplements: Dieters teas: Laxatives linked to diarrhea, vomiting, fainting and heart damage. Ginko biloba: Peddled as a memory enhancer; can cause internal bleeding. Ginseng: Sold to boost energy; linked to asthma attacks and high blood pressure. Kava: Promoted to relieve stress; linked to liver damage and worsening of symptoms of Parkinson's disease. St. John's wort: Sold as an anti-depressant; interferes with the effectiveness of some cancer drugs and other medicines. Willow bark: Sold as a painkiller; linked to Reye's syndrome and digestive irritations. Sources: FDA; USA TODAY research So Bruce, I give up...what does "IYSALAYSISABW. TYRTEWBAAHDAJATC." mean? I have tried every way possible to decipher it, but not knowing how your mind works.....? Beat Regards, Patty "?? ???? ?? ?? ?l ? ? ??? ?? ????!" > Hi Patty, > [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are getting - leave, root, bark, etc. And if you are taking aspirin too - you may bleed in serous places. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are getting - > leave, root, bark, etc. And if you are taking aspirin too - you may bleed in > serous places. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Yep, that's me. Take two aspirin and go to bed. Wake up with a bleeding ulcer. After two such ulcers, both confirmed by barium x-ray, I quit taking aspirin about 20 years ago and haven't had a stomach problem since. Sometimes the side effects can be much more severe than the problem being addressed. I'd rather go to bed with a headache than wake up with a bleeding ulcer. I feel the same way about my tinnitus. Habituating it was preferable to drugging myself to such an extent I didn't care about the noise. Bill Re aspirin, there is no evidence that taking a baby aspirin witll affect tinnitus or cause bleeding. It is the combination of adult aspirin does plus Gingko that is the problem Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com Gingko biloba has worked for me so far. But i will wait a bit longer to tell you the results. ============================================= > > the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are > getting - [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bill > > the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are > getting - [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yep, that's me. Take two aspirin and go to bed. Wake up with a bleeding > ulcer. Did you take that kind of aspirin that dissolves in the intestines only? FP ================================= After two such ulcers, both confirmed by barium x-ray, I quit taking > aspirin about 20 years ago and haven't had a stomach problem since. > Sometimes the side effects can be much more severe than the problem being [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill > the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are getting - > leave, root, bark, etc. And if you are taking aspirin too - you may bleed in > serous places. My GP, a Cambridge grad, recommends me to take a capsule of gingko biloba (350 mg of dried leaf). The latter has had tangible result on my T in a very positive manner. However, he did not ask me what other medication I am taking. I have to go back and ask him if it is OK to take aspirin at the same time. FP ------------------ > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com It is the responsibility of the patiet to inform the Dr. of other medications you are taking (if they don't ask) as they may assume that you are only taking what they tell you to take. Francis, you should know this about Ginkgo biloba: CONTRAINDICATIONS a.. Do not use if you have hemophilia or have any other clotting disorder without approval and monitoring by a physician as Ginkgo biloba has been reported as having anticoagulant activity. a.. According to recent studies on drug and herb interactions, Ginkgo biloba extracts should not be used while taking blood thinning medications such as heparin, warfarin or coumarin derivative.63/65 Caution should also be taken with aspirin as anecdotes of unfavorable interactions have been recorded. a.. Do not handle the fruit if you are allergic to poison ivy, mango rind, and cashew nut shell oil, as they are structurally similar to the allergens of Ginkgo biloba.66/67/68 Patty > > the other problem with Gingko is that you never know what you are getting - > > leave, root, bark, etc. And if you are taking aspirin too - you may bleed in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Murray Grossan, M.D. > > http://www.ent-consult.com > It is the responsibility of the patiet to inform the Dr. of other > medications you are taking I think it should be the other way around. Patients are not trained while doctors are. Patients pay while doctors are paid. Most patients don't even realize there is such a thing as drug interaction. I am currently residing in China. Under the medical system here, it costs only US$1 to see an ENT doctor and other kinds of doctors too. Thus there is no incentive for doctors to do a good diagnosis job but there is great incentive for them to push drugs. As a results, the doctors in China have become a bunch of aggressive drug sales representatives. FP =========================== (if they don't ask) as they may assume that you > are only taking what they tell you to take. Francis, you should know this > about Ginkgo biloba: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > Murray Grossan, M.D. > > > http://www.ent-consult.com I tell all my patients NEVER take Gingko with aspirin. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > Hi Bruce, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ginseng: Sold to boost energy; linked to asthma attacks and high > blood pressure. Allow me to fill you in with a bit of the herbalist philosopy. Ginseng is for those who are low in energy(fire). And usually those who are in low energy are low in blood pressure. That is common sense among the population who grew up in that herb culture. Take green beans as an example. My secretary in Vancovuer used to complain of tooth pain and gum breeding. The solution given by her dentist was operation to take the tooth out. I brought her to Chinatown and the herb doctor told her that she had too much yan(fire) energy in her body, and eating green beans could easily take care of it. She took the advice and has never had tooth pain and gum breeding ever since. FP =====================================================> > Kava: Promoted to relieve stress; linked to liver damage and > worsening of symptoms of Parkinson's disease. [quoted text clipped - 198 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP Francis, In my 20 years of working as a dental/surgical assistant and X-Ray tech....NEVER have I heard of a dentist recommending eating green beans for 'tooth pain' or 'bleeding gums' (I think that's what you meant...I've never heard of *breeding* gums). I'm not saying your herb dr. is wrong...but there are other solutions...e.g. root canal, periodontal surgery, deep scaling...last resort...exodontia (extraction) to name a few. I guess it all comes down to whatever you fill comfortable with. BUT, if my gums were breeding or bleeding, I am quite sure that green beans would not be MY solution to the problem. ~Patty~ > > Hi Bruce, > > [quoted text clipped - 230 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP I can't believe I typed 'fill' instead of 'feel' ... I do know better ...:-) > Francis, > [quoted text clipped - 303 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > Francis, > > In my 20 years of working as a dental/surgical assistant and X-Ray > tech....NEVER have I heard of a dentist recommending eating green beans for > 'tooth pain' or 'bleeding gums' Sorry for the late reply. I have to leave China border and go into Hong Kong before being able to use Google for whatever reasons. Well, the story is this. 2 years ago my sec was suffering from gum inflammation. She was given anti-biotics by the first dentist but to no avail. Then she went to the second and was told to get ready for an operation. Before she was going to do that, I by accident took her for tea in Chinatown and brought her to see a herb doc. The herb doc took a look at her gum and asked her if she ate a lot of pan-fried food. Yes, Liz ate a lot of deep-fried and pan-fried food and she preferred to eat her bacon and potato charcoal-burnt. The herb doc asked her to stop eating pan-fried food for a while and drink green bean soup (without sugar). She did that, and there was quite a bit of improvement. I gave her non-alcoholic beer in addition and that took care of the whole gum inflammation completely. Non-alcoholic beer is a great yin(water) energizer used to counteract yan(fire) energy. She suffered from gum inflammation because of an excess amount of fire in her body system. FP ====================================== (I think that's what you meant...I've never > heard of *breeding* gums). I'm not saying your herb dr. is wrong...but there > are other solutions...e.g. root canal, periodontal surgery, deep [quoted text clipped - 298 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP Francis, The *herb culture* I grew up in had nothing to do with Ginseng....:-) Although I didn't partake in the *herb* I understand there were mystical qualities associated with it. The *herb* is still around today and used in for *some* medicinal purposes. Hmmmm, I wonder if it would have any kind of effect on tinnitus? Poof.....I'm off to find the *local herb doctor*.....perhaps then I will be able to attenuate my tinnitus completely AND figure out what "IYSALAYSISABW. TYRTEWBAAHDAJATC." means. j/k :-0 ~Patty~ > Allow me to fill you in with a bit of the herbalist philosopy. > Ginseng is for those who are low in energy(fire). And usually those > who are in low energy are low in blood pressure. That is common sense > among the population who grew up in that herb culture. > > FP > Francis, > The *herb culture* I grew up in had nothing to do with Ginseng....:-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > AND figure out what "IYSALAYSISABW. TYRTEWBAAHDAJATC." means. j/k :-0 > ~Patty~ OK. It's from The AST Survival Guide Here is what it means: "If You Stop And Look Around You'll See It's Still A Beautiful World. That's Your Reassurance That Everything Will Be Alright And Happy Days Are Just Around The Corner." --- The Rhaj M'Man > > Allow me to fill you in with a bit of the herbalist philosopy. > > Ginseng is for those who are low in energy(fire). And usually those > > who are in low energy are low in blood pressure. That is common sense > > among the population who grew up in that herb culture. > > > > FP The Chinese doctors I've talked to, from China, have told me the treatment for tinnitus is not medication but to help the patient into "letting it go". "Let it go". Bruce There is an AST Survival Guide? Where can it be found? ~Patty~ WIWBD...YCLSNEDIYLYMOTI! > > Francis, > > The *herb culture* I grew up in had nothing to do with Ginseng....:-) [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Bruce >There is an AST Survival Guide? Where can it be found? >~Patty~ ........................... Hi Patty, Don't know about a guide be we did have a thread running a while back titled Tinnitus Habituation For Dummies. I guess that's as closed to a survival guide you could find. Check out deja news. - jean Check out deja news. > - jean Where is that? All I could find was alt.fan.dejanews....there are only 4 posts. Nothing at all to do with tinnitus. ~Patty~ >Where is that? All I could find was alt.fan.dejanews....there are only 4 >posts. Nothing at all to do with tinnitus. Google took over deja. Just google up the thread on this group. Susan > There is an AST Survival Guide? Where can it be found? > ~Patty~ > WIWBD...YCLSNEDIYLYMOTI! Sorry, "The AST Survival Guide" was a dream I had once induced by toxic fumes at The EERIE Wax plant. Also, RHaj M'Man didn't write that passage. That was another halucination that Susan had which bled over into one of Jim Chinnis' halucinations. I propose that we create a survival guide and add "WIWBD...YCLSNEDIYLYMOTI!" to it. That is.. with your permission, of course. Note to Ely and all: I'll reactivate the EERIEWAX@yahoo.com account. Sorry 'bout that. Bruce The benevolent founder of EERIE WAX, a tinnitus remedy What has changed with EERIE WAX? As I recall you had a production problem, the contamnated water you were using suddenly became clean and this reduced the effectiveness of your product. Did you find a new source of contaminated water? Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > What has changed with EERIE WAX? As I recall you had a production problem, the > contamnated water you were using suddenly became clean and this reduced the > effectiveness of your product. Did you find a new source of contaminated water? Despite the water problem, the suppository form still works fine. I used the last of the paste form worming my horse. What *exactly* is EERIE WAX? I may be opening up a can of worms with that question, but I really thought it was just a joke when I saw it associated with Bruce's name. I am supposing that Bruce concocted a product as a remedy for tinnitus, named it EERIE WAX, but maybe had some problems with it?? I looked on Elly's website and saw something about it...along with Bruce's name.....Is this for real or not? ~Patty~ > > What has changed with EERIE WAX? As I recall you had a production problem, > the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Despite the water problem, the suppository form still works fine. I used > the last of the paste form worming my horse. I understand that the price of the EERIE WAX stock has moved! Are you still selling Franchises for exclusive distribution? Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > I understand that the price of the EERIE WAX stock has moved! > Are you still selling Franchises for exclusive distribution? > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Yes, Murray, the stock of our bowell products have moved very nicely. We're so pleased that we're thinking of taking some time off and relaxing after our bowel products movement. Franchises are still available. All that you need to get started is room in your freezer to stock the fish heads.... and a piddly few thousand bucks to purchase the franchise license. Bruce > What has changed with EERIE WAX? As I recall you had a production problem, the > contamnated water you were using suddenly became clean and this reduced the > effectiveness of your product. Did you find a new source of contaminated water? > > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Homoepathic solutions depend on water that has 'memory'. The problem with the water we have been using from the abandoned Hanford Nuclear Plant is that it's developed alzheimers and can't remember a thing that was ever in it other than radioactive waste. We're afraid that if we change water it will cause EERIE WAX to lose its trademark and distinctive glow. Bruce the benevolent founder of EERIE WAX, a tinnitus remedy Bruce...Permission granted. ~Patty~ > I propose that we create a survival guide and > add "WIWBD...YCLSNEDIYLYMOTI!" to it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The benevolent founder of > EERIE WAX, a tinnitus remedy Hi Bruce, Is this another article/book/etc coming on? In the vein of Eeriewax? Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >OK. >It's from The AST Survival Guide [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Bruce My friend Brian experienced vertigo and tinnitus about 2 years ago. He told me that he *totally* recovered after 6 months. At this moment, he is enjoying completely quiet days. He never knows that 'there is no cure for tinnitus'. He just followed his doctor's advice and put himself on medication for SIX months obediently like a good boy. The medicine he used is in principle similar to that kind of herb formula/alpine formula/t-gone etc that you guys buy in the US. The principle behind is simple. Improve the blood circulation through strengthening the various organs of your body system. This may work well for people whose tinnitus cause is due to poor blood circulation in the head. You never hear this in ALT. And the statement 'there is no cure for tinnitus' is proliferating to impact on the new suffers in this ng. I wonder if anyone could produce a link that leads to this monumental statement. I personally have known 3 persons including Brian who have been *completely* cured! I think it is only fair to say that the tinnitus sound for the *majority* of tinnitus suffers can hardly been resolved completely or can only be resolved to various degrees but not totally, a small % of t suffers do get their T cured! You never hear this kind of report about people getting 'cured' in ALT. You may want to follow me to try that gingko. I am using that ones made by 21st Century from Arizona. I take just one tablet 500mg of dried gingko leaf(not extract) with breakfast. If you experience any discomfort with it, just drop it. But if you felt good afterwards, stick to it for at least 3 months before deciding whether or not to continue. Go into the search engine in Yahoo. You will find no shortage of 'studies' that speak in favor of gingko. But in the final analysis it is *your* bodily reaction to this medicine that should have the final say. The rest is irrelevant. The doctor that prescribed gingko to me holds 2 degrees from Cambrige and one from Monash of Australia. He is no quack. FP ======================= > Francis, > The *herb culture* I grew up in had nothing to do with Ginseng....:-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > FP > Francis, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > hurt (just annoying), and I am healthy otherwise. My internist is of the > belief that *everything* is caused by a chemical imbalance. Perhaps your doctor gets infatuated with the yin and yan philosophy of the tradtional herbalists in China. As a result of > his beliefs, I have been given Depakote, Zonegran, Paxil...you name it, he's > tried it on me. I am not epileptic and do not have seizures. I agree with > Peter Larsen when he said *Medicines should generally be taken on a solid > indication of their relevance. I am not a guinea pig and do not believe in > taking medicines *just to see if it will help*. Sometimes when the cause is hard to find, this could perhaps be the most effective way as long as there are no irreversible consequences. Finally, my internist > admitted to me that he does not know enough about tinnitus and said he would > do some research on it. I just kind of laughed :-)...thinking to myself, > GOOD LUCK!... Have you tried gingko biloba? I have been on it for the past few days and the results are very very noticeable. I should have tried it months ago but was discouraged to do so by those so-called 'studies' or controlled studies that speak against it. But then again, many studies speak in favor of it. I am on the gingko dried leaf but not the extract. The doc is adament about using only the leaf. My GP, who holds 2 degrees from Cambridge and one from Monash of Australia, recommended to me last week. He is no quack. FP ============================ > Best Regards, > -Patty [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > FP fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: >Numerous liternatures talk about Meniere disease as being >characterized by the over-pressure of the inner ear, amongst the other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Question: Does my symptom qualify me to be a Meniere sufferer? No. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG
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