PLEASE. There have been several excellent suggestoins on how to download the T
sounds on your CD to use as a masker but they are kind of all over the place.
Would some kind person review
where to get a recording of the T sound once the autiologist has identified it
and how to do this via the net.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Patty Walker - 03 Jun 2004 05:32 GMT
Murray Grossan, M.D.,
I am currently trying the Tinnitus Masker Pro to see if there is a
combination of sounds that might be used to mask my tinnitus. It isn't the
same as the T sound that an audiologist would identify. The good news is
that my son is an Information Tech, computer programmer, web designer and in
general a 'computer guru'. I have discussed with him the need for a way to
get a recording of the T sound once my audiologist identifies my particular
sound. I feel quite confident that he will be able to design something that
would encompass many T sounds that could be downloaded via the net and thus
be beneficial to many others with tinnitus. I will keep you posted on the
progress he makes.
Patty
> PLEASE. There have been several excellent suggestoins on how to download the T
> sounds on your CD to use as a masker but they are kind of all over the place.
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Larry Goldman - 03 Jun 2004 05:46 GMT
Try Test Tone Generator V3.8 at http://www.esser.u-net.com/ttg.htm
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> PLEASE. There have been several excellent suggestoins on how to download the T
> sounds on your CD to use as a masker but they are kind of all over the place.
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
ENTconsult - 03 Jun 2004 16:35 GMT
dear Larry,
It would be more useful to the majority of persons if you could provide the
specific tone from the audiometer sound
512
1024
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4000
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that the patient needs for thier recording for a masking sound. Can you make
that available.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Ball 33 - 03 Jun 2004 17:20 GMT
> dear Larry,
> It would be more useful to the majority of persons if you could provide the
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Murray, since most of us with tinnitus experience variations over a broad
range of levels and frequency, and sounds that seem rich with harmonics, how
is it possible to tune any masker? To successfully mask a sound
electronically, a real-time sample of the source MUST be available. Such a
sample is not available.
My ENT told me masking devices are expensive and a waste of money. The
reality is this: Maskers don't mask but instead simply distract. They
should be called tinnitus distracters and simply tuned to some point within
the wearer's audible spectrum. It is a LOT CHEAPER to distract with
television or radio. By the way, the sound from a television set is FM
radio. If a station near you broadcasts on channel six, you can pick up
their audio on the low end of your FM radio's dial.
Bill
ENTconsult - 04 Jun 2004 06:03 GMT
you have a very good point re maskers vs distracotrs. In all honesy I have
never recommended a masker.
But, for 20 bucks you can get a recoding of your sound. by adjusting the volume
to the affected ear you can discharge those nerves i.e. the 6,000 hz sound.
Some persosn do have residual inhibition after hearing the T recording and this
is one of the tests Shulman and others reliy on. i.e. hoh long the tinnitus is
inhibited by the same external sound.
So, its oK to try thsi for $20 bucks but not for several hundred.
the other thing I have my patients try to do is put the recorded sound into the
normal ear and then advjust the volume lower than the T in the affected ear.
With relaxation try to get the affected ear to match the lowered Volume.
This has worked for some patietns.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Ball 33 - 04 Jun 2004 06:42 GMT
> you have a very good point re maskers vs distracotrs. In all honesy I have
> never recommended a masker.
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Yes, Murray, thank you for confirming my opinion of "maskers". $20.00 is a
small price to pay for a noise distracter.
Bill
Larry Goldman - 03 Jun 2004 23:33 GMT
Good question Murray!!
I downloaded a free trial version of Test Tone Generator a few years
ago. I found it more useful for tinnitus matching rather than tinnitus
masking (masking being a broad band sound).
It may also be consistent with the new Acoustic Deployment Protocol
technology treatment to help "attenuate" to the tinnitus.
The program allows one to adjust a pure tone frequency from 300Hz and
up. I found that my tinnitus (left ear) matched at 9000Hz. I also noticed
that I had asymmetrical hearing loss at that frequency. The sound was not
as loud when I turned my left ear toward the speakers. Louder with the
right ear.
Larry Goldman
Silver Spring, Maryland
Member ATA
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> dear Larry,
> It would be more useful to the majority of persons if you could provide the
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Elly Byrne - 03 Jun 2004 21:07 GMT
http://www.digital-recordings.com/
Murray, try this site.
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
http://meniere.eebee.net/
For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
>PLEASE. There have been several excellent suggestoins on how to download the T
>sounds on your CD to use as a masker but they are kind of all over the place.
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>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com
Gary Plunkett - 07 Jun 2004 07:18 GMT
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not, but I wrote a
small VB application that will create a variable length wave file with
pure tones from a list of frequencies that you give it. You could then
copy this wave file to a CD. It is somewhat slow in generating large
files and only uses 8 bit sampling since I didn't put a lot of work
into it. If this is what you're looking for I can upload it to a web
page or something. Just let me know.
Gary Plunkett
> PLEASE. There have been several excellent suggestoins on how to download the T
> sounds on your CD to use as a masker but they are kind of all over the place.
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Elly Byrne - 07 Jun 2004 21:19 GMT
If Gary's sound is suitable then there are complete instructions for
burning the sound to a CD - and repeating it to make it last for the
whole length of the4 CD - at
http://eebee.net/sound/sound.html
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
http://meniere.eebee.net/
For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
>I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not, but I wrote a
>small VB application that will create a variable length wave file with
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>> Murray Grossan, M.D.
>> http://www.ent-consult.com
Gary Plunkett - 08 Jun 2004 06:32 GMT
I did some quick fooling around with the program I created and added a
couple of things. It's not a great program, but I only spent about an
hour or so on it. I added 16 bit sampling and the ability to generate
white noise.
What it does is it creates a wave file of whatever length you tell it
to (ie. 1 second). It creates this file as "tmp.wav" in the folder
where the application is running (ie "c:\program files\wavgenerator\")
and plays this file once it is finished creating it. There is a stop
button to stop it. This is just to preview the sound really.
Ideally then you would extend the length of this file by opening it in
some software. You can use Windows Sound Recorder if you have nothing
else (usually located here: Start->Program
Files->Accessories->Entertainment) and repeatedly use the Edit->Insert
File... and browse to "tmp.wav" in the application folder of my
program.
You can set my program to generate a file of whatever length you want
(ie 3600 seconds = 1 hour), but this will just take longer.
I recommed using the default settings of 16 bits per sample and 48000
samples per second especially for white noise. But if you only want
"white noise" limited to about 11KHz you can use the 22050 Hz setting.
For a set of tones less than 11KHz the 22050 Hz setting is ok in that
case as well.
Use this software at your own risk. I make no warranties or guarantees
of its functionality etc. etc.
You can download it here:
http://www.geocities.com/gplunkett069/wavgenerator.zip
Geocities limits bandwidth usage so it may not be available for a
period of time after a number of people download it. If anyone has
suggestions as to where I can put it where more people can download it
I'll do my best.
Gary Plunkett.
> If Gary's sound is suitable then there are complete instructions for
> burning the sound to a CD - and repeating it to make it last for the
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> For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
ENTconsult - 08 Jun 2004 18:00 GMT
Would you be interested in making these cd's for persons if they give you the
range? No one should mind a charge for this.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Gary Plunkett - 09 Jun 2004 05:58 GMT
I would love to be able to do that simply, but I'd have to arrange
getting them the CD and getting me the money, plus I don't really have
my own equipment to do it on (my computer is in storage). I'm also
staying somewhere temporarily right now so it makes things difficult.
I've just sort of been fiddling with this program I wrote while doing
work for someone. Maybe as I fiddle I'll make my program a little more
user friendly to be able to make CDs from. (ie. optimize the code for
larger file sizes, which wouldn't be too difficult). But if someone
else wants to use my program and create CDs with it and sell them I
don't object.
In the mean time I've added a few features to the program such as
generating "white noise" with bounds on frequency ie bandwidth limited
"white noise". I used a rather quick method of doing this based on the
previous sample and the derivative of a sine function at the frequency
bound. It's not perfect, but as I fiddle and get more time maybe I'll
write a more rigorous method.
As a remider the program is here:
http://www.geocities.com/gplunkett069/wavgenerator.zip
Program Features:
- Creates a wave file of varying length
- Can include either a set of pure tones or noise with frequency
bounds
- Wave file is stored in application folder as "tmp.wav"
> Would you be interested in making these cd's for persons if they give you the
> range? No one should mind a charge for this.
> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com