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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / May 2004"Ginkgo Biloba for Tinnitus"
A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. A summary may be found at: http://tinyurl.com/2od86 I have the full report as a pdf file and will be pleased to send it upon receiving an e-mail address. If you do not have software to read pdf files, Adobe Reader may be downloaded for free at: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html You may contact me at nagler@mindspring.com with your e-mail address if you would like to have the full report. stephen nagler > A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on > the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > stephen nagler the stuff is dodgy, being a vasolidator I feel. I would quite like the old chesnut alprazolam 0.25 even with it's drawbacks. Supply is tight though, but not somthing to use alot. >> A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on >> the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >chesnut alprazolam 0.25 even with it's drawbacks. Supply is tight though, >but not somthing to use alot. As with anything not regulated, you can never be certain of the fillers, purity or interactions that may take place with things like ginkgo biloba. Terri >A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on >the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >stephen nagler Are you trying to get another list of email addresses so you can tell peoples' employers about their online activities? Terri > >A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on > >the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Terri makes you wonder. >> >A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on >> >the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >makes you wonder. ................. Is she still posting her crap? And, William, are you still believing it? Now THAT makes ME wonder. Sheesh. Anybody who has any question about my offer is free to set up an untraceable yahoo or hotmail account to receive the material. It's a very thorough review by a highly regarded independent entity that really puts to rest any question about the value of ginkgo in tinnitus. It's somewhat difficult to obtain, but I have an electronic version that was sent to me late yesterday by a university medical library. I thought I'd offer to anybody who would like to read it. Simple as that. smn Thank you Stephen, I have received it. I was expecting something else. It looks like a study that studies other studies. So nothing new. Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on >the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >stephen nagler >Thank you Stephen, ............. Welcome! ............... >I have received it. >I was expecting something else. > It looks like a study that studies other studies. >So nothing new. .............. Actually it's much more than a study that studies other studies. It's a study that using very strict criteria first separates the wheat from the chaff and then studies with absolutely no bias only the wheat. The Cochrane Review is universally highly regarded for that very reason. smn > Actually it's much more than a study that studies other studies. It's > a study that using very strict criteria first separates the wheat from > the chaff and then studies with absolutely no bias only the wheat. > The Cochrane Review is universally highly regarded for that very > reason. just curious, but why don't you post it to a tinnitus site with permission from the people who wrote the paper? I think this would be a lot easier way to distribute it. I'd also like to hear a wording of the summary of the paper.. if you want, you can send it to the above address... jon >just curious, but why don't you post it to a tinnitus site with >permission from the people who wrote the paper? I think this would be >a lot easier way to distribute it. .............. Thank you for the suggestion. I'd just as soon make it available to a few friends via e-mail. With all due respect, if some folks think I'd misuse their e-mail addresses (as we see in William's post that copiesTerri's comments above), then they're not what I call friends to begin with. .................. >I'd also like to hear a wording of the summary of the paper.. if you >want, you can send it to the above address... ................ Jon, I posted a link to the summary earlier in the thread, but perhaps you missed it with all the "distraction" from the peanut gallery. Here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/2od86 smn > >just curious, but why don't you post it to a tinnitus site with > >permission from the people who wrote the paper? I think this would be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (as we see in William's post that copiesTerri's comments above), then > they're not what I call friends to begin with. I often wonder from time to time why the hell the participants in alt and smc keep attacking you and Dr. Chung. Both of you are here to help, not hurt. People could be dogmatic in their views but that is not necessarily 100% negative. I wish there are medical newsgroups in Hong Kong and China where people could go for help. FP =========================================== > .................. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > smn If you do decide to try the Gingko, try to get the product made in Germany. There they do inspect and conern themselves with what goies into the prooduct, not like here where anything can be sold as long as it is labeled "herbal". Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > If you do decide to try the Gingko, try to get the product made in Germany. > There they do inspect and conern themselves with what goies into the prooduct, > not like here where anything can be sold as long as it is labeled "herbal". > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com well, just curious, but is there a brand name that you'd recommend? If this is true, I'd also like to get CoEQ 10 and alpha lipoic acid from germany too.. jon ttyp32000@yahoo.com (jonathan) wrote in part: >> If you do decide to try the Gingko, try to get the product made in Germany. >> There they do inspect and conern themselves with what goies into the prooduct, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >jon Most of the ginkgo that has been the basis of the scientific studies (showing it to be worthless) has been made in Germany. But if you buy any of the German made stuff, at least you'll get the worthless ginkgo and not some other stuff that might be worse.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >Most of the ginkgo that has been the basis of the scientific studies (showing >it to be worthless) has been made in Germany. What do you say to the people for whom this works? http://eebee.net/ginko.shtml Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote in part: >>Most of the ginkgo that has been the basis of the scientific studies (showing >>it to be worthless) has been made in Germany. > >What do you say to the people for whom this works? "I'm delighted you are better." SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >well, just curious, but is there a brand name that you'd recommend? If >this is true, I'd also like to get CoEQ 10 and alpha lipoic acid from >germany too.. > >jon I think the Ginkgold brand of gb is supposedly well standardized. as for lipoic acid, Jarrow makes a time released one that's pretty easy to find cheaply online (it has a short halflife, sustained release is best). Susan >> >just curious, but why don't you post it to a tinnitus site with >> >permission from the people who wrote the paper? I think this would be [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >FP Nagler is one of the people attacking Dr. Chung. Terri All the 5 studies used doses below 200 mg. Dr Seidman suggests using 240mg. Maybe that has something to do with the negative effect. Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >Thank you Stephen, >I have received it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >>stephen nagler Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote in part: >All the 5 studies used doses below 200 mg. >Dr Seidman suggests using 240mg. >Maybe that has something to do with the negative effect. The Cochrane Review examined all the studies they could find. They found no support for using 240 mg. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > support for using 240 mg. > -- I tried 240mg for several months at the beginning of my tinnitus over a year ago. In hindsight, it achieved nothing, though it did make me feel I was 'doing something' during the period of terrible despair and shock at the onset. Now habituating quite nicely. I think my T is also only about ? what it was anyway - it doesn't usually bother me much - I'm even getting quite fond of it !! :o) Steve O I'm new to all this. What is "habituating", is that getting use to the sound? I know its up to the individual but how long does this take on average- months, years? -- Glenn > > Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote in part: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Steve O "Glenn" <reimer@ozemail.com.au> wrote in part: >What is "habituating", is that getting use to the >sound? Coming to a point where you don't notice the sound much. It's there if you listen for it. The term is also used to refer to a loss of alerting/panic/anxiety response to the tinnitus. > I know its up to the individual but how long does this take on >average- months, years? Months to a year or two in most cases. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Dr. Chinnis, My tinnitus has become increasingly audible in the past year and I can't seem to get used to it. It is causing anxiety and mood swings that are not 'like me' at all. My internist prescribed Xanax for the anxiety and it helps a bit. I have trouble sleeping. I wake up about every 2 hours even after taking the Xanax. Is insomnia also related to tinnitus? I am not sure that I can stand much more of this. I don't want to stay awake and listen to the noise but I can't sleep. It seems to be a vicious cycle for me. Any suggestions? Regards, Patty > "Glenn" <reimer@ozemail.com.au> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Months to a year or two in most cases. "Patty Walker" <pwalker2@sccoast.net> wrote in part: >Dr. Chinnis, >My tinnitus has become increasingly audible in the past year and I can't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Regards, >Patty Are you using any masking? I think it can help to use something like a fan, air cleaner, or other source of broadband noise during the night. Do not turn it off--just leave it on all night. What may be happening is that, during the many times while sleeping when you return to shallow sleep, you become aware of the tinnitus and your attention fixes on it and wakes you up. Just try a sound that isn't so loud it will itself keep you awake or could cause hearing damage. It only needs to partially mask the tinnitus. That way, the contrast of the tinnitus is reduced. (I'm not a medical doctor, by the way.) SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG My mistake, I thought you were a medical doctor. Doesn't matter though, thanks for the help. Patty > (I'm not a medical doctor, by the way.) >Patty Walker" writes: >I wake up about every 2 hours even after >taking the Xanax. Is insomnia also related to tinnitus? ........................... Hi Patty, Insomnia was a factor in my tinnitus onset along with diminished appetite and frazzled nerves. I don't know if it's because our nervous systems become so stressed "from" listening to the noise or from trying to "fight" off the noise. Regardless, not getting any sleep just makes things much worse. I got help from elavil @25mg. It helped me to habituate the noise (even lessened it) regain my appetite and sleeping patterns. This does take a few weeks though. - jean >>Patty Walker" writes: > >>I wake up about every 2 hours even after >>taking the Xanax. Is insomnia also related to tinnitus? I used to wake up every 2 hours also. Except I never worried about it. Just turned over and went back to sleep. But in the last couple of weeks I have started to wonder of this is not also related to neck tension - but further down - back tension. I have started doing some back exercises and my sleeping has improved. This morning I slept through to 5.30am. Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net > A few weeks ago the Cochrane Library published a definitive review on > the use of ginkgo biloba for tinnitus. > A summary may be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/2od86 > I have the full report as a pdf file and will be pleased to send it > upon receiving an e-mail address. Please do send it, thank you very much. Based on the summary it is likely to be most interesting as it contradicts my own subjective experience. One should however not use Ginkgo Biloba without the awareness that it - as any other potent medication - comes with sideeffects and caveats. > stephen nagler Kind regards Peter Larsen Signature******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * *******************************************
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