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SSD and Stephen Nagler

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terri231@knowsspam.mam - 15 Apr 2004 23:29 GMT
Tinnitus sufferers:  An informed person comments on Stephen Nagler's
tirade toward a disabled person receiving SSD.  Stephen has been taken
to task before in his attempt on this group to discredit a tinnitus
sufferer that was applying for SSD benefits.

I have labeled Stephen's comments because it will be difficult to
follow the conversation without the notations.

On 15 Apr 2004 06:47:22 GMT, retiredssguy@aol.com (RetiredSSGuy)
wrote:

SMN:> >... and you can NOW work should you choose to, but instead you
choose
>>to continue receiving monthly checks from the government.<<
>
>Can you specifically tell this readership how the claimant "can NOW work"? In
>the absence of specifics as to this case I would suggest to readers of this
>thread that you do not have any idea at all that the claimant is now qualified
>to return to the workforce as a working unit. It appears to be spiteful charges
>and those are not relevant to a SS claim. I don't believe that I have read that
>you are a vocational expert NOR do you know the claimant. I believe you are
>leveling baseless charges that if read out of contect hurt the entire process.
>You should be ashamed of yourself.

SMN:>>Lyme Disease is a serious thing.  So is cancer.  But Lyme
Disease does
>>not qualify a person for social security disability - and neither
does
>>cancer.  Being unable to work as a result of cancer - now THAT
>>qualifies you for social security disability.  And being unable to
>>work as a result of Lyme Disease qualifies you as well.  At one
time
>>you were unable to work as a result of your Lyme Disease.  But now
you
>>can
>
>You really can't be let to get away with this. You have just stated "now you
>can [work]"
>
>I do not think that you know that at all. I suspect - strongly - that you
>really have no idea whatsoever and are harassing a disabled individual.

SMN:  >>> - but you CHOOSE not to and yuo CHOOSE to remain on the
government
>>gravy train, hoping that the government doesn't decide to
re-evaluate
>>you at some point. <<
>
>Again, I don't believe that you know this at all. I don't believe that you know
>that this individual "chooses" not to work when she can. And I don't believe
>that she is concerned about a re-evaluation. Nor should anyone who has
>legitimately been awarded benefits and I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
>Some evidence rather than spiteful rhetoric on your part would go a long way
>here. I don't see how you would have any evidence. Feel free to present
>evidence to the board.

SMN:  >> It's unethical.  It's hypocritical.  It's
>>dishonest.  It's ... our sweet Susan
>
>I think it is highly unethical for you to say the things about a disabled
>individual as you have. I suspect it is dishonest too. If you know that this
>claimant can work as stipulated by the Social Security Administration I think
>this would be moot as you seem to be an individual that would already have
>reported the claimant with hard evidence. Have you any hard evidence?
>
>>>You haven't answered the question completely.
>>................
SMN:  >>I thought I did.  But I'll satisfy your curiosity further - if
only to
>>get you to shut up (as if that would ever happen).  Hey, did you
ever
>>think about devoting your considerable Internet ABILITIES
demonstrated
>>ad nauseaum on Usenet ... to getting an REAL job?  No, didn't think
>>so.  You prefer the free ride at taxpayer expense.
>
>First off, if the claimant paid into the system it is not  "free ride." It
>appears that besides spiteful words against  disabled claimant you also are
>considerably ignorant of the SS process. It is the reason I am adding to this
>thread.

SMN:>>The other policy that I purchased over the years for annual
premiums
>>was a "long term personal disability policy" that paid me (until
age
>>65 - or lifetime - I'd have to check my files) if I was unable to
>>perform my occupation.  After thee months of being unable to
practice
>>as a doctor, I began receiving monthly checks from the insurance
>>carrier.  
><snip>
> I opened a clinic.  I notified my insurance carrier that I felt I
was ABLE to
>return to work
>>as a doctor.  (There's that honesty thing again.)  And I no longer
>>receive disability checks.
>
>Well, I'm going to do you a favor here because you are either the first
>individual in the world to refuse money that is yours, or you made a mistake,
>or you are not being truthful.
>
>Policies that I have seen for physicians are uniformly written for occupation
>and it is for a specific occupation. My understanding is that you were a
>surgeon. It would have been foolish of you (and inconsistent with the detailed
>teps you took) to insure yourself widely as in any occupation that a physician
>could be expected to practice. If you were insured for what is termed "own
>occupation" your occupation should have been listed as "physician/surgeon."
>Having stated that you initially collected due to not being able to perform
>surgery, as many doctors do on their policies, there is little chance that
>opening a clinic would have provided your income as a surgeon - which is what
>you were trying to protect with your policy purchase.
>
>I think that from what you have stated that you were very, very foolish in not
>insuring your surgical abilities OR you are in fact still collecting benefits.
>I don't particularly care either way. But your chastizing  disabled individual
>making ends meet would be disgusting if you were collecting on your policy.  

SMN:  >>End of story.<<

>Well, if that is true it is the nicest part I have read in this thread that is
>replete with ignorance of the SS Code as well as caustic and threatening
>commentary aimed at a disabled person that could easily make someone applying
>for benefits feel uncomfortable to be researching and reading what you have
>been writing.

SMN:  >>Now go get a job and use
>>your ABILITIES to do something productive with your life.  You'll
feel
>>better for it spiritually.  You'll feel better for it emotionally.
>>And you'll feel better for it physically.  Get off the government
>>gravy train.  
>
>Just who in the hell [readers, please pardon my French] are you to be saying
>such things to a legitimate claimant who has cleared a very difficult process
>and is disabled? I saew that you have used the word "unethical." I can think of
>nothing but words more severe to describe the harassment of a disabled
>individual when you know nothing of this person that is evidenciary.

SMN:>>Folks who are *legitimately* totally disabled need those
>>benefits.  <<
>
>And they are there for those people also. Please do not infer otherwise. I was
>told there were some unbelievable comments being made. This is far beyond what I
>expected. I thought there would just be some incorrect interpretation of the SS
>Code. But what I'm reading is heinous.

SMN: >>>You don't need them.  And while you likely deserved them at
>>one time, such is obviously no longer the case.<<
>
>How do you know this? Just how in the heck do you know that a person that you
>obviously disagree with is a capable of being a working unit? How? I'm reminded
>of the phrase "put up or shut up."

SMN:>>There will be NO further responses, Susan.  For me, you no
longer
>>exist.  See if you can deal with that.
>
>I hope she deals with it well as you have been badgering the disabled and
>anyone who can feel the pain of disability and the long trip some have made to
>find doctors that don't use any phrase besides "anxiety probably."
>
>This has been one disgusting read for me. I'm sorry that I agreed to read this
>thread. But I am glad now that if anyone is reading this in a week, a month, a
>year, or 5 years will see that the comments you are making are your opinion and
>your opinion only. I do not expect that there will not be one shred of evidence
>posted to back up your accusations of a disabled person. You can be mad and
>mean all you like. It is you that suffers for it in the end.
>
>*** If anyone is reading this at any time and is seeking disability benefits -
>whether they be private or SS Disability benefits - go to see a disability
>lawyer. Please do not accept any of these words you see on the Internet in your
>search as having meaning. It is sad that a spiteful person would say what has
>been said. It does not apply to you. What matters to you is your health and
>what your doctors, your lawyer, and the system says. Surely not the words read
>prior to my message in this thread.
>
>RSSG
----------------------------

I hope this alerts people to the lunacy of evaluating Stephen's
knowledge about SS disability once and for all.

Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Brad Wilson - 19 Apr 2004 02:40 GMT
Terri:

You shall be known by your works.  What have you done for the cause of
tinnitus lately?  I don't see any evidence of your impact besides
these childish putdowns of Dr. Nagler.  If you would devote your
energy to something more productive, you might be able to make a
difference in the world.  But right now the only difference you are
making is to piss people off.  If that's your goal in life then so be
it.  But I'm putting you in the kill file for now!

Brad
terri231@knowsspam.mam - 19 Apr 2004 11:56 GMT
>Terri:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Brad

So what I am gathering from your post is that what Nagler said to a
disabled person is "ok" even though a more informed person (not me)
says that he is wrong and is doing what probably constitutes
harassment of a disabled person.  

I understand that it takes a certain amount of gumption to stand up to
Nagler and stop him from abusing people, so don't feel bad if you
aren't able to do it.  I am an easier target for you, but then that is
because I won't go after you at your home or place of employment like
Stephen would for simply expressing your opinion even though it is
different from mine.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
PaulS - 19 Apr 2004 15:40 GMT
He just stated that he's putting you in his killfile, so why write? I'm glad
there are prople like you so that the rest of us know we're not the dumbest
around!

PaulS
Stephen Nagler - 19 Apr 2004 17:32 GMT
>He just stated that he's putting you in his killfile, so why write? I'm glad
>there are prople like you so that the rest of us know we're not the dumbest
>around!
>
>PaulS

.................

... and thank you, Paul, for not quoting whatever bullshit she wrote
(must have been Terri, since that's who went in Brad's killfile) in
your response.  I am sure that many appreciate the courtesy.

What a nutcase!

smn
PaulS - 19 Apr 2004 19:32 GMT
> ... and thank you, Paul, for not quoting whatever bullshit she wrote
> (must have been Terri, since that's who went in Brad's killfile) in
> your response.  I am sure that many appreciate the courtesy.
>
> What a nutcase!

I have put her in my KF as well.

PS
Elly Byrne - 19 Apr 2004 21:32 GMT
me too.

Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
http://meniere.eebee.net/

For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net

>> ... and thank you, Paul, for not quoting whatever bullshit she wrote
>> (must have been Terri, since that's who went in Brad's killfile) in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>PS
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Apr 2004 22:19 GMT
>me too.
>
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>>
>>PS

You've been in my killfile for a looooong time, Elly.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Apr 2004 22:18 GMT
>> ... and thank you, Paul, for not quoting whatever bullshit she wrote
>> (must have been Terri, since that's who went in Brad's killfile) in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>PS

I'll put you in mine, too, ok?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Apr 2004 22:19 GMT
>>He just stated that he's putting you in his killfile, so why write? I'm glad
>>there are prople like you so that the rest of us know we're not the dumbest
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>smn

Psychic, too?  Amazing.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
drfrank21 - 19 Apr 2004 23:08 GMT
> He just stated that he's putting you in his killfile, so why write? I'm glad
> there are prople like you so that the rest of us know we're not the dumbest
> around!
>
> PaulS

And I thought she was actually writing about a relevant I could
benefit from-  I've got SSD !!
But mine is single-sided deafness, oh well.

frank
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Apr 2004 23:14 GMT
>> He just stated that he's putting you in his killfile, so why write? I'm glad
>> there are prople like you so that the rest of us know we're not the dumbest
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>frank

Sorry I can't help with that, but I have DSD - double sided deafness.
I hope you don't have to apply for SSD due to your SSD, however.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

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