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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / April 2004Tinnitus could be a mental ill.
If you had exhausted your ENT specialists and GPs, the next group of doctors you may want to visit is the ones in the department of neurology. The root of your T could be in the nerve and has nothing to do with your inner ear. FP > If you had exhausted your ENT specialists and GPs, the next group of > doctors you may want to visit is the ones in the department of > neurology. The root of your T could be in the nerve and has nothing > to do with your inner ear. > > FP Or, if you haven't been able to find a cure, ask us and we'll help you habituate your tinnitus. Then it won't be a major factor in your life. > > If you had exhausted your ENT specialists and GPs, the next group of > > doctors you may want to visit is the ones in the department of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Or, if you haven't been able to find a cure, The truth is oftentimes somewhere inbetween a 'cure' and no cure. How about a good treatment by which the volume of T is greatly reduced to something that no longer bothers a person so that he could go on with his normal way of life. ask us and we'll help you > habituate your tinnitus. I wonder if that is support or mis-information. If you look up the net, the doctors outside the Anglo-American medical establishment in place such as Europe(particularly Germany), China and Japan operate differently by treating T patients _medically_! They would not know how to advise their patients on 'habituation', or sound-masking, or cognitive therapy...or covering one's ears with addictive drugs. But then again, different strokes are for different folks, and different measures for different T patients. Then it won't be a major factor in your life. Tried it and been there but got no help... There was another ill that existed side by side with my T. Whether that ill was the cause or effect of my T still remains unknown. Getting a good doctor with whom you could work is the best solution to treat your T. The formula of habituation is not universally applicable for every T patient. FP >> > If you had exhausted your ENT specialists and GPs, the next group of >> > doctors you may want to visit is the ones in the department of [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >FP If you have had your tinnitus for 6 months and have been actively pursuing a number of treatments (which I gather from your postings that you have) it seems logical that you have not reached "habituation" for a number of reasons one being duration and another being your focus. Your approach is fine, but I don't think you can say that "habituation" won't work for you just yet. If I were you, I would exhaust all of the other possibilities first, too. Eventually, if nothing else works you might find your focus changing and your attention to the Tdiminishing with that change in focus. I also need to add that for the vast majority of tinnitus sufferers this process of "habituation" requires no assistance, treatment or medication but it does involve a change in mindset that these people come to recognize on their own. I've lived with T for over 30 years. It's there. It's loud. It doesn't evoke any kind of emotional response from me or diminish my ability to concentrate, sleep, etc. At this point it would be foolish for me to mess with medications, treatments, etc. since that might just make it more of an issue than it currently is. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > >> > If you had exhausted your ENT specialists and GPs, the next group of > >> > doctors you may want to visit is the ones in the department of [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Terri Thanks, Terri. Francis, I know it seems impossible to live with the constant noise because I've been where you are now. So have most of the others who hang around this news group. Right now my tinnitus is very loud, but I only because I choose to listen to it. Ten minutes ago I was completely unaware of it. Bill In addition to the value of habituation, but possibly more important is that of reducing anxiety reinforcement. Just as you can make the itch worse by reinforcement so can you make the T worse. That is the value of biofeedback and cognitive thereapy as well as the breathing methods we have discussed here. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: > ask us and we'll help you >> habituate your tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >differently by treating T patients _medically_! They would not know >how to advise their patients on 'habituation', Francis, actually, the only completed controlled study I know of that has looked at tinnitus retraining therapy--a method for assisting habituation--was done in China. (The result supported TRT.) The work was done in Beijing: Department of Otolaryngology and Head Neck Surgery, Institute of Otolaryngology, General Hospital of Chinese People's Liberation Army, Beijing 100853, China. The abstract is available at: http://tinyurl.com/2g2tw You guys are ahead of us Anglo-Americans and Germans on habituation... ;-)  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You guys are ahead of us Anglo-Americans and Germans on habituation... ;-) Sorry for the late reply. Google is practicing self-censorship in China for fear of offending a big client which is the Chinese government. I am familiar with that hospital. It is supposed to be the best place for ears. However, the controlled study you have cited has not indicated whether or not the patients in the sample had already had treatments other than the one of habituation. That is to say, some or all of them might have had other treatments before joining the study. It is my understanding that going for a combination of HBO2 and intravenous injection is a standard practice for new T patients in those hospitals. My ENT doctor used to run a class of habituation but later scrapped it. His reasoning is as follows: (1)T patients will be forced to get used to or habituate their T anyway over time as long as their ears are not covered up with addictive drugs. Thus why put the focus on habituation but not on medical treatments. (2)By putting patients through fundamental medical treatments, the chance is great that the volume of noise is reduced. It is much easier to get habituated to a low rather than a high volume T. (3)By putting the patients through various forms of treatment, it is hoped that one or more than one type of treatment could touch the root cause of the T. I personally do not relate to a scenario in which a T patient, living in the most medically advanced soceity like USA, is told that there is no cure for T and then huzzled into one of those TRT classes. I have known 3 persons whose T was cured by going into treatment as soon as their T had been discovered. FP Tinnitus can be like a cake! Tinnitus is a symptom, most often indicating.......NOTHING! On top of Tinnitus, though, there is frosting........sometimes there is more frosting than CAKE! Frosting includes ......... emotional and mental or cognitive secondary conditions included conditioned reflexes.....some HATE chocolate cake cause their mean granny always made it! Frosting often causes MORE problems than the CAKE........people stop going to fun places with fun people, quit jobs, leave spouses, reject hobbirs.........life changing consequences............ However, when we scrape OFF the mountain of FROSTING.........sometimes the CAKE is so tiny is just disappears, too........ I must be hungry!! Marsha Johnson Tinnitus Clinician Portland, Oregon > Tinnitus can be like a cake! > > Tinnitus is a symptom, most often indicating.......NOTHING! If that be the case, either you or your clients must have been quite lucky. Perhaps what i have gone through is not much of tinnitus or tinnitus is just but a part of it. FP ===================================================== > On top of Tinnitus, though, there is frosting........sometimes there is more > frosting than CAKE! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Tinnitus Clinician > Portland, Oregon >> Tinnitus can be like a cake! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >FP I think that is the point of a lot of information known about tinnitus. It is a symptom of many conditions and if one is fortunate enough to isolate the triggering condition and/or be able to do something about it, they just may be able to "cure" or reduce the tinnitus. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport Right! But in the vast majority of cases, the sympom of tinnitus simply does not point to any serious medical condition........it is an extremely annoying, distressing but medically benign symtom........I believe that is one reason why it is so distressing: there simply isn't even a good reason for it to be there at all......... MJ There is a very good reason for it to be there. Muscle tension of the neck and shoulder muscles. Have you ever ever ever looked at these? Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://meniere.eebee.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >Right! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >MJ > >> Tinnitus can be like a cake! > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > something about it, they just may be able to "cure" or reduce the > tinnitus. The doctor in the neurology department concluded that my T is due to some nerve conditions inside the brain and in my view is similar to T-7 cause of tinnitus as described in T-Gone website. FP =========================================== > Terri > > http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
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