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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2004Habituating to the violent T.
I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure. FP That is a good question. My T is of the type that it is only really bad a few days a week. A few days a week it is almost non-existent, the other days it's noticeable but bearable. I can take the few bad days and get through them because I know it gets better, I don't think I would do so well if I knew that it wouldn't. Greg. > I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to > his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. > I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it > rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure. > > FP >I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to >his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. >I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it >rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure. > >FP ................. Habituation is a natural process that generally occurs over time. Habituation to what you call "violent" tinnitus generally takes longer than habituation to "non-violent" tinnitus. There are a variety of ways to facilitate the process of habituation to "violent" tinnitus if it is not happening fast enough or appears not to be happening at all. smn the reaction you describe - tinnitus , rapid heart, elevated BP is a "sympathetic system response that is readily treated. Usually it is the elevated BP that comes first and causes the T. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com >the reaction you describe - tinnitus , rapid heart, elevated BP is a >"sympathetic system response that is readily treated. Usually it is the >elevated BP that comes first and causes the T. >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com ................ Murray, I sort of disagree (respectfully). FP said specifically: "I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure." His choice of words, to me, implies that the hypertension and tachycardia are more likely secondary to a tinnitus exacerbation rather than the other way around. So, while certainly the possibility of underlying hypertension should be assessed and (if necessary) addressed by FP's doc (as you so state), transient hypertension and tachycardia secondary to tinnitus exacerbation have been well described as the autonomic component of the syndrome (i.e., "reaction to tinnitus"). In fact, some authoritiers feel that the habituation process first requires Hr (habituation of reaction) to be well-underway before Hp (habituation of perception) can occur. smn > >the reaction you describe - tinnitus , rapid heart, elevated BP is a > >"sympathetic system response that is readily treated. Usually it is the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > smn Right, which is precisely what I was trying to say in lay terms. :-) >Right, which is precisely what I was trying to say in lay terms. :-) .............. You actually said it much better than I, Bill. I responded to Murray's post working my way down the thread and had not yet gotten to yours! smn > I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to > his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. > I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it > rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure. > > FP Francis, Elevated heart rate and blood pressure are a fear/flight response to tinnitus. Who wouldn't be alarmed and stressed by a steam engine in their head, especially early-on? You can read about this response here: http://www.dstress.com/stress.phys.html In order to minimize this response you must first understand that the tinnitus sound isn't going to harm you. Your reaction to it can, but the sound itself will do no damage. Accepting this fact is the first and most important step toward habituation. Your ENT has ruled out an acoustic neuroma as the cause of your tinnitus. Accept the fact that the presence of this sound will do you no harm. Treat the sound as if it were nothing more than a steam engine nearby. Surround yourself with other sounds that interest you and will thereby distract you from the tinnitus sound. Today, when I pause to listen to my own tinnitus, my reaction is one of amusement. I'm doing that as I write this. This morning it is an extremely loud, steady hiss favoring neither side of my head. I didn't hear it at all until I paused to listen for it and in a few minutes, when I get started on my income tax return, it will disappear again. Bill > > I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to > > his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tinnitus. Who wouldn't be alarmed and stressed by a steam engine in their > head, especially early-on? I don't think that was how i experienced some time ago. When it rang on my left side of the head, it triggered fast heartbeats but when it rings on the right hand side, there has never been any fast heartbeats. Currently, after both the intravenous injection and hyperbaric oxygen treatment, the ringing on the left side no longer bothers me. I think some time ago Jim in this ng made a very good observation. My T is a 'mix'. The pressure/sound point moves around my head. Few doctors have been able to explain this so far. FP ==================================================== You can read about this response here: > http://www.dstress.com/stress.phys.html > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill >> > I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to >> > his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >FP >==================================================== I'm thinking that a lot of peoples' tinnitus is probably a mix since tinnitus can be a symptom of a such a variety of things. It is truly a fortunate individual that finds the single agent of their tinnitus and is able to find one or two treatments that quiets it. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > >> > I am under the impression that anyone who has managed to habituate to > >> > his tinnitus is doing so because his T is of a 'non-violent' nature. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > a fortunate individual that finds the single agent of their tinnitus > and is able to find one or two treatments that quiets it. I have found ATIVAN and on one occasion prochlorperazine helpful in terms of making the noise go away. I heard that in the US the tinnitus victims are on Xanax for long term treatment. FP ===================================================== > Terri > > http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >I have found ATIVAN and on one occasion prochlorperazine helpful in >terms of making the noise go away. I heard that in the US the >tinnitus victims are on Xanax for long term treatment. ............... That's like saying that people living in China are born in America. Fact is - a small percentage of people living in China are born in America. And a small percentage of "tinnitus victims" in the US are on Xanax for long term treatment. smn >>I have found ATIVAN and on one occasion prochlorperazine helpful in >>terms of making the noise go away. I heard that in the US the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >smn Good for you, Stephen. You put FP in his place again. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >(francispoon) writes: >I would like to know how anyone could habituate a T which, when it>rings, speeds the heart beat and raises the blood pressure. .................................. FP, You cannot control the tinnitus (only the response to it). When a person with tinnitus no longer has any negative reaction (physical, mental or emotional) they can say they have successfully habituated their tinnitus. We cannot control the noise. We can (in time) learn not to respond to it any more. - jean > >(francispoon) writes: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > We cannot control the noise. We can (in time) learn not to respond to it any > more. In *my* case, it is more than noise. FP ======================== > - jean >In *my* case, it is more than noise. ................. FP, everybody (or at least most everybody) with intrusive tinnitus thinks his or her case is special or unique ... "more than this" or "more than that." Well, we are all unique individuals - but the tinnitus? What you have been describing in the past weeks is not particulaly unique or special. As one of God's children *you* are special - but your tinnitus is not. smn Well, if its more than noise Francis you should focus on somatic links imo, and physical links. >>In *my* case, it is more than noise. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >smn FP can think what he wants about his tinnitus. It isn't for you to say, Stephen. I think you are far too condescending to this particular tinnitus sufferer who is just trying to learn and share information like most of the rest of us. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > FP can think what he wants about his tinnitus. It isn't for you to > say, Stephen. But it is disrespectful to everyone else to basically say "my t is worse than yours". Get a f.cking life! >> FP can think what he wants about his tinnitus. It isn't for you to >> say, Stephen. > >But it is disrespectful to everyone else to basically say "my t is >worse than yours". Get a f.cking life! I didn't find it at all disrespectful as a tinnitus sufferer but perhaps people that took it that way haven't come to grips with the fact that everyone thinks theirs is "the worst" from time to time. That's why they seek support. And, how do you know his isn't worse than yours? Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport |
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